Senators Brown, Collins, Kirk, Murkowki, Snowe and Voinovich ... you're MY heroes today

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... for stepping beyond partisan politics and doing the right thing: voting to allow the vote to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell to move forward.

Now, Senate, let's not screw this consensus up before the actual repeal vote next week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121801729.html

Re-edit to add that DADT is officially repealed with a vote of 65 for 31 against in the Senate, following a 250-175 vote in the House last week

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/18/132164172/-dont-ask-dont-tell-clears-vital-hurdle&sc=fb&cc=fp

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

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... for stepping beyond partisan politics and doing the right thing: voting to allow the vote to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell to move forward.

Now, Senate, let's not screw this consensus up before the actual repeal vote next week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121801729.html

The guys around here will just label them what they have in the past.... they are just RINO's

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know? I hope to hell while in uniform, they are doing their job, not looking for parteners!

It is sounding like the libs want a 'coming out" party....

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know? I hope to hell while in uniform, they are doing their job, not looking for parteners!

A recent episode of 'Around the Services' on AFN stated that 40% of females in the military have been assaulted in some way, vs. 10% of men.

Looks like you've got it backwards.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know? I hope to hell while in uniform, they are doing their job, not looking for parteners!

A recent episode of 'Around the Services' on AFN stated that 40% of females in the military have been assaulted in some way, vs. 10% of men.

Looks like you've got it backwards.

Hey that is "natural" so its ok

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My guess is this big coming out party that for some reason so many want, will simply mean the VERY high percentage of gay women already serving can for whatever reason they feel the need to telll the world, CAN tell the world...Like we didn;t know they are gay already?

Once again, "What is the point"? Being gay is already accepted, they simply ask it be kept on the down low! How is that a problem? Overtly sexual acts whiel in uniform are already on the shit list, yet gays want it to be OK for them?

Once again, not "equal rights" they are looking for "special rights" IMO

I'm not sure what bringing up sexual assaults was a point of , other than proving my point, overt sexual activity in uniform is not acceptable....

No matter what kind fo sex it is!

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A straight guy can talk about his wife or his girlfriend, and how much he misses her when he's deployed. A straight woman can bring her husband or boyfriend to the holiday party when she's stationed stateside.

Lesbians and gays are asked to lie (either explicitly or by not saying anything) about this part of their life or risk losing their career. A gay man in a relationship has to make a decision to lie every time one of their coworkers makes casual conversation "Hey, Joe, you got someone special back home?" If Joe dares say "Man, I really miss Jim right now - I wish I could call him" he risks losing his career. Straight guy John, on the other hand, can say "I wish I could talk to Emily right now" and he'll get a sympathetic nod, not a threatening glare.

Sounds like unequal rights to me.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

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Once again, "What is the point"? Being gay is already accepted, they simply ask it be kept on the down low! How is that a problem? Overtly sexual acts whiel in uniform are already on the shit list, yet gays want it to be OK for them?

What "overt sexual acts in uniform" is DADT preventing now, pray tell?

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I'm not sure what bringing up sexual assaults was a point of , other than proving my point, overt sexual activity in uniform is not acceptable....

Since the straight members of the military seem to be performing four times the sexual assaults/harassments of the gay members, seems like your focus on *who* is going to be performing "overt sexual activity in uniform" is misplaced.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know?

You're 100% backwards.

DADT means that no-one must know. Repealing DADT does not mean that everyone must know.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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In my experience, the things that separate Marines in civilian life fade into obscurity on the battlefield. There, only one thing matters: Can you do your job? People care much more about whom you voted for or what city you're from while on the huge airbase with five Burger Kings, or back in the States, than they do when they're walking down a dusty road full of improvised explosive devices in Haditha or Sangin.

In the end, Marines in combat will treat sexual orientation the same way they treat race, religion and one's stance on the likelihood of the Patriots winning another Super Bowl. I do not believe the intense desire we all feel as Marines to accomplish the mission and protect each other will be affected in the slightest by knowing the sexual orientation of the man or woman next to us.

In the recent Defense Department survey, 58 percent of combat arms Marines said they felt allowing homosexuals to serve openly would negatively affect their unit, but 84 percent of combat arms Marines who had served with a homosexual said that there would be no effect or that the effect would be positive. It seems obvious that if allowing homosexuals to serve openly degraded performance, rather than improved it, a majority of Marines who had served with homosexuals would oppose repeal. Yet this is not the case, and homosexuals serve openly in the militaries of Britain, Canada, Australia, Israel and others with no ill effect. This suggests that much of the opposition toward repeal within the Marine Corps is based on the politics of individual Marines and not any measurable military effect.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Once again, "What is the point"? Being gay is already accepted, they simply ask it be kept on the down low! How is that a problem? Overtly sexual acts whiel in uniform are already on the shit list, yet gays want it to be OK for them?

Once again, not "equal rights" they are looking for "special rights" IMO

You are 100% backwards.

If you can be fired for being known to be gay, it's not accepted.

Repealing DADT does not mean that overt homosexual acts while in uniform would be allowed anymore than overt heterosexual acts while in uniform are allowed.

They are bnot looking for special rights, they are looking for equal rights. Heterosexual soldiers are allowed to talk about being heterosexual.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know? I hope to hell while in uniform, they are doing their job, not looking for parteners!

It is sounding like the libs want a 'coming out" party....

One of the problems is that a person can be outed by another person and run afoul of DADT.

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DADT means that no-one must know. Repealing DADT does not mean that everyone must know

Wrong. DADT means nobody CAN know.

Repealing it means knowing and not knowing make no difference.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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My guess is this big coming out party that for some reason so many want, will simply mean the VERY high percentage of gay women already serving can for whatever reason they feel the need to telll the world, CAN tell the world...Like we didn;t know they are gay already?

Once again, "What is the point"? Being gay is already accepted, they simply ask it be kept on the down low! How is that a problem? Overtly sexual acts whiel in uniform are already on the shit list, yet gays want it to be OK for them?

Once again, not "equal rights" they are looking for "special rights" IMO

I'm not sure what bringing up sexual assaults was a point of , other than proving my point, overt sexual activity in uniform is not acceptable....

No matter what kind fo sex it is!

Being yourself without fear of losing everything you've worked for is a "special right"?

Wow.

Being gay is not already accepted, that's the problem. No one is trying to overturn sexual decency laws.

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Wrong. DADT means nobody CAN know.

How is that not what I said?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know?

You're 100% backwards.

DADT means that no-one must know. Repealing DADT does not mean that everyone must know.

LOL, wait and watch, see how it goes...

I can see it now, Gay pride marches in uniform, whips and leather included, becuase it is their "right"!

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BTW, anyone that thinks gays don;t get to "talk about thier parteners" is watching far too many Liberal news stations....

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know?

You're 100% backwards.

DADT means that no-one must know. Repealing DADT does not mean that everyone must know.

LOL, wait and watch, see how it goes...

I can see it now, Gay pride marches in uniform, whips and leather included, becuase it is their "right"!

Why do you think that discipline in the US military is so bad compared to other nations?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know?

You're 100% backwards.

DADT means that no-one must know. Repealing DADT does not mean that everyone must know.

LOL, wait and watch, see how it goes...

I can see it now, Gay pride marches in uniform, whips and leather included, becuase it is their "right"!

Why do you think that discipline in the US military is so bad compared to other nations?

LOL, not because they are not allowed to openly suck a dick, that is for damn sure...Maybe The POTUS?

Yoru saying discipline is low, just because they can;t be openly gay???

What other nation allows openly gay people? the greeks?

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What other nation allows openly gay people? the greeks?

Albania, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, Bermuda, Uraguay.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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What other nation allows openly gay people? the greeks?

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Governments that permit homosexuals to serve openly in their military service include Taiwan, Australia, Israel, Argentina, Canada and all countries of the European Union and every original NATO signatory except the United States and Turkey.

As of this afternoon, Turkey will be the only original Nato member to ban Gays from service.

Skyrider, are you really as ignorant as you are portraying, or are you just inflammatory?

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WASHINGTON – In a landmark for gay rights, the Senate on Saturday voted to let gays serve openly in the military, giving President Barack Obama the chance to fulfill a campaign promise and repeal the 17-year policy known as "don't ask, don't tell."
Obama was expected to sign it next week, although the change wouldn't take immediate effect. The legislation says the president and his top military advisers must certify that lifting the ban won't hurt troops' fighting ability. After that, there's a 60-day waiting period for the military.

About time.

[lawrocket 3]

Might I also add my delight that some politicians are actually taking care of this instead of leaving it to the courts. I really like to see politicians actually taking care of political questions instead of leaving it to the Log Cabin Republicans to sue for it...

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know?

You're 100% backwards.

DADT means that no-one must know. Repealing DADT does not mean that everyone must know.

LOL, wait and watch, see how it goes...

I can see it now, Gay pride marches in uniform, whips and leather included, becuase it is their "right"!

Why do you think that discipline in the US military is so bad compared to other nations?

LOL, not because they are not allowed to openly suck a dick, that is for damn sure...Maybe The POTUS?

Yoru saying discipline is low, just because they can;t be openly gay???

No, you're saying discipline is low.

I have absolutely no idea why you think the US military is an indisciplined rabble on the verge of parading about in S&M gear and breaking into on-duty orgies. Since it doesn't happen in other militaries that allow gay people to serve you must think there's something specifically wrong with the US command structure.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I still fail to see the problem with DADT....why must everyone know?

You're 100% backwards.

DADT means that no-one must know. Repealing DADT does not mean that everyone must know.

LOL, wait and watch, see how it goes...

I can see it now, Gay pride marches in uniform, whips and leather included, becuase it is their "right"!

That didn't happen when Truman de-segregated the military, and it won't happen now.

It's not a matter of gay service-people "coming out". It's a matter of them simply not getting kicked out when others know that they're gay. In other words, the repeal of DADT does not put gay sexuality in people's faces, it simply makes it irrelevant.

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It's not a matter of gay service-people "coming out". It's a matter of them simply not getting kicked out when others know that they're gay. In other words, the repeal of DADT does not put gay sexuality in people's faces, it simply makes it irrelevant.

The second best thing about the repeal of DADT is that it will once and for all end this ignorant, speculative, bullshit about special rights and indecent behavior.

Guys like Skyrider will now have to go find some other excuse for talking about leather, whips, chains and sucking dick. Sorry, dudes.... This one is about to be denied.

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