Shooting at School Board Meeting

[firemedic 7]

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Only if the federal law is changed or she decides to break it.

I believe it should be changed.

Unfortunately, you are correct in her situation. You cannot carry into government buildings or on school property in Florida and many other states. However, in one state, Utah, you can carry on school property if you have a CCW. I also believe it should be changed. A Gun Free Zone = A Victim Rich Environment. [email]

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The guy wasn't supposed to be there he was going on vacation, he just happened to be in the building when he got the word of a guy spray painting on the wall. He wasn't there for the meeting itself

Schools hire retired guys (like me), that way they get experience and don't have to pay benefits. The guy did an excellent job given the situation. Things could have been much worse, it's funny to hear all the monday morning QBing.
Always happens after such incidents....

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[Andy9o8 2]

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it's funny to hear all the monday morning QBing.

Come to think of it, he shouldn't have used that caliber rounds.

[masterrig 1]

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I wasn't sure if he did in fact go to his car for his vest and more ammo. By the time he gotback, all the board members could've been dead. I believe, I would've stayed and not left. Bottom line... I would not have told the interviewer(s) that I left to get my vest and more ammo. Also, why didn't he have all that (on) before the meeting started?


Chuck

According to the inteview he gave he also had to get his gun out of the trunk

That, just does not seem right. In this day and age of 'anything can happen', I would think, a 'security' person would come prepared. Wow!


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

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The part of the news story I found interesting, was an interview with the security guard. He stated that he peeked into the meeting room after hearing what he determined to be shots fired. He considered leaving the area to get his 'vest' and more ammo! This guy was a former cop! In a situation like that, you don't leave the scene to get your vest and more ammo! What was he thinking?

Hindsight is 20/20...its easy to say what he should have done, but when placed in a situation where your life is in peril, the brain is not necessarily processing clearly and rationally. Its similar to having a malfunction in my opinion; you're in an extremely stressful situation, and some people say the craziest thought processes enter their mind that they never would've imagined. That security guard might very well already be regretting his chain of events now and be asking himself, 'Why did I waste time, I should have just entered and shot the guy much earlier.'

Did anybody see that that security guard is a super stand up guy, donating much of his life to his Santa charity? Apparently he was on Oprah years ago for all his selfless volunteer work.

Luckily, all the cogs and events of this situation resulted in the best possible outcome.

The guy is a trained law enforcement officer hired to protect the people in the meeting. That's his job. I'm not saying he's horrible or a bad guy... I'm just curious about some of his actions in a 'deadly' situation. Yes, I saw the part about his 'repair Santa' work. That has no bearing on what happened in that comittee room. It all worked-out with just the 'bad guy' dead and it was all more of a 'luck over skill' result.


Chuck

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I dont think he was there ar hired security

he was just there

If, that be the case, a whole new light shines on the situation.


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

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The guy wasn't supposed to be there he was going on vacation, he just happened to be in the building when he got the word of a guy spray painting on the wall. He wasn't there for the meeting itself

Schools hire retired guys (like me), that way they get experience and don't have to pay benefits. The guy did an excellent job given the situation. Things could have been much worse, it's funny to hear all the monday morning QBing.
Always happens after such incidents....

Also, as more information surfaces, the whole picture changes. That's the way the news media works. They give bits and pieces of information as they choose and we have to piece it all together.


Chuck

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I wasn't sure if he did in fact go to his car for his vest and more ammo. By the time he gotback, all the board members could've been dead. I believe, I would've stayed and not left. Bottom line... I would not have told the interviewer(s) that I left to get my vest and more ammo. Also, why didn't he have all that (on) before the meeting started?


Chuck

According to the inteview he gave he also had to get his gun out of the trunk

Yea, apparently he'd left his handbag at home.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[skyrider 0]

Well, I am sure there was a reason it took so long to get a gun in there, and once he did , He (unlike the gunman) hit his target....

Job well done!

[masterrig 1]

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Well, I am sure there was a reason it took so long to get a gun in there, and once he did , He (unlike the gunman) hit his target....

Job well done!

Since it has been said here, that guns are not allowed to be carried on school property in Florida, he had his weapon in his car trunk.


Chuck

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Well, I am sure there was a reason it took so long to get a gun in there, and once he did , He (unlike the gunman) hit his target....

Job well done!

Since it has been said here, that guns are not allowed to be carried on school property in Florida, he had his weapon in his car trunk.


Chuck

Which proves that a bad rule! Grnated this is not an everyday thing, but, it proved the problem with the law/rule....Lisensed trained gun owners are a good thing!

When my son was still goin to public school here, there were 2 armed police officers on campus at all times during any event or school day...no telling how much thier simple presence avoided problems!

[skycop 0]

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That, just does not seem right. In this day and age of 'anything can happen', I would think, a 'security' person would come prepared. Wow!

You can't run around all day every day in condition red. TV cops do, real ones don't. The ones that are hyper alert all the time burn out, get in more fights, and get the most complaints. It's about training and playing the averages. I seldon carry when I'm off duty, I do carry when I go into work to catch up on stuff in the office on weekends or after hours. It appears that's what he was doing prior to going on vacation.
Initial media reports are NEVER correct, many times the media venue reports on what they THINK is happening and fact come out later. I was a public information officer for many years in a major media market. I learned first hand just how inaccurate media reports are. I was actually involved in situations, then hear the media report and just laugh.
People jump to conclusions or watch too much TV to know how actual police work goes, but they will comment without facts. This guy did a great job given the sitation, ripping him for stuff is silly.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[skycop 0]

A lawyer making a dumb comment, what a surprise........

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[masterrig 1]

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That, just does not seem right. In this day and age of 'anything can happen', I would think, a 'security' person would come prepared. Wow!

You can't run around all day every day in condition red. TV cops do, real ones don't. The ones that are hyper alert all the time burn out, get in more fights, and get the most complaints. It's about training and playing the averages. I seldon carry when I'm off duty, I do carry when I go into work to catch up on stuff in the office on weekends or after hours. It appears that's what he was doing prior to going on vacation.
Initial media reports are NEVER correct, many times the media venue reports on what they THINK is happening and fact come out later. I was a public information officer for many years in a major media market. I learned first hand just how inaccurate media reports are. I was actually involved in situations, then hear the media report and just laugh.
People jump to conclusions or watch too much TV to know how actual police work goes, but they will comment without facts. This guy did a great job given the sitation, ripping him for stuff is silly.

A few posts later, I basically said the same thing about the media. Initially, from media reports, the assumption was that the man was 'supposed' to be there for security. As more information surfaced, I could see how the initial information was mis-leading. I don't watch t.v. cop shows because I feel they are more than mis-leading. I gather from your response, that is your assumption of me? I do know, in real life, police officers will tend to jump to a conclusion until further evidence to the contrary shows-up.


Chuck

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That, just does not seem right. In this day and age of 'anything can happen', I would think, a 'security' person would come prepared. Wow!

You can't run around all day every day in condition red. TV cops do, real ones don't. The ones that are hyper alert all the time burn out, get in more fights, and get the most complaints. It's about training and playing the averages. I seldon carry when I'm off duty, I do carry when I go into work to catch up on stuff in the office on weekends or after hours. It appears that's what he was doing prior to going on vacation.
Initial media reports are NEVER correct, many times the media venue reports on what they THINK is happening and fact come out later. I was a public information officer for many years in a major media market. I learned first hand just how inaccurate media reports are. I was actually involved in situations, then hear the media report and just laugh.
People jump to conclusions or watch too much TV to know how actual police work goes, but they will comment without facts. This guy did a great job given the sitation, ripping him for stuff is silly.

In Riverside, (and I think all california police departments) It is requireed officers always carry a gun, even off duty, and even while skydiving!

[masterrig 1]

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Well, I am sure there was a reason it took so long to get a gun in there, and once he did , He (unlike the gunman) hit his target....

Job well done!

Since it has been said here, that guns are not allowed to be carried on school property in Florida, he had his weapon in his car trunk.


Chuck

Which proves that a bad rule! Grnated this is not an everyday thing, but, it proved the problem with the law/rule....Lisensed trained gun owners are a good thing!

When my son was still goin to public school here, there were 2 armed police officers on campus at all times during any event or school day...no telling how much thier simple presence avoided problems!

It's sad to think that things have come to that. I recall a time when a couple teachers being present was enough at a school function.


Chuck

[skycop 0]

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That, just does not seem right. In this day and age of 'anything can happen', I would think, a 'security' person would come prepared. Wow!

That quote was rather surprising coming from you.

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gather from your response, that is your assumption of me?

Not at all, but some of your comments didn't make sense or were misinformed.

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I do know, in real life, police officers will tend to jump to a conclusion until further evidence to the contrary shows-up.

A perception, incorrect, but whatever floats your boat.

Your posts are normally very level headed, it just seems you were a bit hard on this guy before the facts were in, that's all I'm saying. No disrespect intended.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[masterrig 1]

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That, just does not seem right. In this day and age of 'anything can happen', I would think, a 'security' person would come prepared. Wow!

That quote was rather surprising coming from you.

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gather from your response, that is your assumption of me?

Not at all, but some of your comments didn't make sense or were misinformed.

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I do know, in real life, police officers will tend to jump to a conclusion until further evidence to the contrary shows-up.

A perception, incorrect, but whatever floats your boat.

Your posts are normally very level headed, it just seems you were a bit hard on this guy before the facts were in, that's all I'm saying. No disrespect intended.

No dis-respect intended here, either. Mostly, I had questions in regard to the matter. As the thread progressed and more information arose, I could see the situation more as it really was and in the process, my questions were answered.
I can see that it was a pretty 'hairy' situation and that the man did the best he could, under the circumstanses.

I'd like to add, my wife, who is retired law enforcement as an investigator, had questions about the incident after hearing the initial news coverage.


Chuck

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He'd already stated his intent to kill the people in the room. I'm thinking that's a pretty bad ending all by itself.

Am I right that your referring to the psychological and emotional trauma on everyone? In that case I'm in whole hearted agreement with you there. Those people are probably going to need some serious counseling to deal with this. I was just thinking along the lines of multiple people killed and/or wounded.

No, I am not - although I agree with your statement.

I'll restate, for clarity - he had already said that he was going to kill the board members remaining. At that point, just HOW was the lady trying to disarm him going to 'make things worse', pray tell?

[Andy9o8 2]

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A lawyer making a dumb comment, what a surprise........

I have to be brilliant so often, every once in a while I need to relax....

[masterrig 1]

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A lawyer making a dumb comment, what a surprise........

I have to be brilliant so often, every once in a while I need to relax....

Where is that 'rolling eyes' icon, when you need it?


Chuck

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A lawyer making a dumb comment, what a surprise........

I have to be brilliant so often, every once in a while I need to relax....

Where is that 'rolling eyes' icon, when you need it?


Chuck

Me thinks he relax too much

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[masterrig 1]

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A lawyer making a dumb comment, what a surprise........

I have to be brilliant so often, every once in a while I need to relax....

Where is that 'rolling eyes' icon, when you need it?


Chuck

Me thinks he relax too much

Chuck

[JohnRich 4]

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You can't run around all day every day in condition red. TV cops do, real ones don't. The ones that are hyper alert all the time burn out, get in more fights, and get the most complaints.

You can carry a gun on your person without thinking "condition red". Just like I can carry a spare tire in my car without thinking I'm going to have a flat tire every second while I'm driving. Or like having a fire extinguisher in the house without thinking all the time that it's going to burn down. It's just there, in case you need it.

[rhaig 0]

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We may never know what motivated her, courage, fear, ect. The shooter was obviously very
unstable and that attempt could have set
him off and made a really bad ending for a
lot of people in the room.

look... a champion for the sheeple!

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We may never know what motivated her, courage, fear, ect. The shooter was obviously very
unstable and that attempt could have set
him off and made a really bad ending for a
lot of people in the room.

look... a champion for the sheeple!

The "Don't get involved " generation!