mnealtx 0
QuoteThe part of the news story I found interesting, was an interview with the security guard. He stated that he peeked into the meeting room after hearing what he determined to be shots fired. He considered leaving the area to get his 'vest' and more ammo! This guy was a former cop! In a situation like that, you don't leave the scene to get your vest and more ammo! What was he thinking?
Hindsight is 20/20...its easy to say what he should have done, but when placed in a situation where your life is in peril, the brain is not necessarily processing clearly and rationally. Its similar to having a malfunction in my opinion; you're in an extremely stressful situation, and some people say the craziest thought processes enter their mind that they never would've imagined. That security guard might very well already be regretting his chain of events now and be asking himself, 'Why did I waste time, I should have just entered and shot the guy much earlier.'
Did anybody see that that security guard is a super stand up guy, donating much of his life to his Santa charity? Apparently he was on Oprah years ago for all his selfless volunteer work.
Luckily, all the cogs and events of this situation resulted in the best possible outcome.
And for the record: the appropriate ranking of cool modes of transportation is jet pack, hover board, transporter, Batmobile, and THEN giant ant.
D.S. #8.8
D.S. #8.8
QuoteQuoteThe part of the news story I found interesting, was an interview with the security guard. He stated that he peeked into the meeting room after hearing what he determined to be shots fired. He considered leaving the area to get his 'vest' and more ammo! This guy was a former cop! In a situation like that, you don't leave the scene to get your vest and more ammo! What was he thinking?
Hindsight is 20/20...its easy to say what he should have done, but when placed in a situation where your life is in peril, the brain is not necessarily processing clearly and rationally. Its similar to having a malfunction in my opinion; you're in an extremely stressful situation, and some people say the craziest thought processes enter their mind that they never would've imagined. That security guard might very well already be regretting his chain of events now and be asking himself, 'Why did I waste time, I should have just entered and shot the guy much earlier.'
Did anybody see that that security guard is a super stand up guy, donating much of his life to his Santa charity? Apparently he was on Oprah years ago for all his selfless volunteer work.
Luckily, all the cogs and events of this situation resulted in the best possible outcome.
The guy is a trained law enforcement officer hired to protect the people in the meeting. That's his job. I'm not saying he's horrible or a bad guy... I'm just curious about some of his actions in a 'deadly' situation. Yes, I saw the part about his 'repair Santa' work. That has no bearing on what happened in that comittee room. It all worked-out with just the 'bad guy' dead and it was all more of a 'luck over skill' result.
Chuck
rushmc 23
QuoteI wasn't sure if he did in fact go to his car for his vest and more ammo. By the time he gotback, all the board members could've been dead. I believe, I would've stayed and not left. Bottom line... I would not have told the interviewer(s) that I left to get my vest and more ammo. Also, why didn't he have all that (on) before the meeting started?
Chuck
According to the inteview he gave he also had to get his gun out of the trunk
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe part of the news story I found interesting, was an interview with the security guard. He stated that he peeked into the meeting room after hearing what he determined to be shots fired. He considered leaving the area to get his 'vest' and more ammo! This guy was a former cop! In a situation like that, you don't leave the scene to get your vest and more ammo! What was he thinking?
Hindsight is 20/20...its easy to say what he should have done, but when placed in a situation where your life is in peril, the brain is not necessarily processing clearly and rationally. Its similar to having a malfunction in my opinion; you're in an extremely stressful situation, and some people say the craziest thought processes enter their mind that they never would've imagined. That security guard might very well already be regretting his chain of events now and be asking himself, 'Why did I waste time, I should have just entered and shot the guy much earlier.'
Did anybody see that that security guard is a super stand up guy, donating much of his life to his Santa charity? Apparently he was on Oprah years ago for all his selfless volunteer work.
Luckily, all the cogs and events of this situation resulted in the best possible outcome.
The guy is a trained law enforcement officer hired to protect the people in the meeting. That's his job. I'm not saying he's horrible or a bad guy... I'm just curious about some of his actions in a 'deadly' situation. Yes, I saw the part about his 'repair Santa' work. That has no bearing on what happened in that comittee room. It all worked-out with just the 'bad guy' dead and it was all more of a 'luck over skill' result.
Chuck
Also
I dont think he was there ar hired security
he was just there
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
councilman24 37
Yes, he wasn't security for the meeting. He was just passing by.
But in what world do you not duck and or run away?!!! AFTER he started shooting many of the members JUST SAT THERE.
I applaude the woman with the purse. She did the wrong thing since whe was relatively safe already but at least she tried. Needs more stuff in her purse!
I'm on a City Council. Our sister city's dias is armored. Ours isn't. But after a verbal assult a number of years ago we have a plain clothes officers in the audience for every meeting. Our chamber also isn't a gun exclusion zone and at least one of our members has a carry permit.
After the last board/commission shooting we institued two changes. We now have locked gates to reach the seats on the dias. Simply low wooden gates but the kind with a dummy handle on the outside and the real catch on the inside. Slow someone down. Also we have a back room reached through a door behind the dias and the other door from the lobby now remains locked. This is meant to be a refuge if we need it.
Our resident kook that calls us nazi's (and he's a holocost survior?) came in one time with a manila envelope on his lap. He was fiddling around in it for awhile and we got very worried.
I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
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Terry Urban
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I'll restate, for clarity - he had already said that he was going to kill the board members remaining. At that point, just HOW was the lady trying to disarm him going to 'make things worse', pray tell?
Oh come on......he was hanging on by a thread as it was. By attacking the guy that way she could have just set him off and then he opens fire on everyone.
They Claim...But , when he went down, that gun was no where near his own head....But I am game to stick with, "he shot himself"!
He did committ suicide. The video clip on YouTube ends about 5 seconds sooner than the one I saw on the news. I shows him raise the gun and press it to his right temple.
Needs more stuff in her purse!
I agree, and I'm think a pistol would have done the job.
I agree, and I'm think a pistol would have done the job.
councilman24 37
Only if the federal law is changed or she decides to break it.
I believe it should be changed.
I believe it should be changed.
I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE
Am I right that your referring to the psychological and emotional trauma on everyone? In that case I'm in whole hearted agreement with you there. Those people are probably going to need some serious counseling to deal with this. I was just thinking along the lines of multiple people killed and/or wounded.
No, I am not - although I agree with your statement.
I'll restate, for clarity - he had already said that he was going to kill the board members remaining. At that point, just HOW was the lady trying to disarm him going to 'make things worse', pray tell?
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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