I love how NOW Obama is caving in . . .

[turtlespeed 226]

. . . to political pressure.

Question:
1) Is he caving because he is trying to save his ass from being known as the worst President EVER, surpassing Jimmy Carter?

or

2) Is he caving because he woke up one morning and said to himself, "You know, I'm tired of this, I think I -WILL- start doing what the American People really want me to?"

or

3) Hmmm - If I say then the people will believe me, at least for a while, and then I can get re-elected in two years.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[TheBachelor 5]

I say #3. He's pissing off the democrats who are the most liberal. They'll still vote for him in 2012, so he's not really hurting himself much.

There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years...

[christelsabine 1]

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. . . to political pressure.

Question:
1) Is he caving because he is trying to save his ass from being known as the worst President EVER, surpassing Jimmy Carter?

or

2) Is he caving because he woke up one morning and said to himself, "You know, I'm tired of this, I think I -WILL- start doing what the American People really want me to?"

or

3) Hmmm - If I say then the people will believe me, at least for a while, and then I can get re-elected in two years.

Yawn.

That's what he should say.

Yawn. Turning around, having another nap.

He still has 2 years to become the worst president you ever had.

I've never *met a country* which is hating itself so much like some of you guys do. We call that *shitting into your own nest*.

Disgusting.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[lawrocket 3]

He's being smart. He is doign now exactly what Clinton did. The 1994 elections repudiated Clinton and Congress's policy goals and planned actions. When the GOP took power in January 1995, Clinton could not push through what he had wanted. However, the GOP could not push through what it wanted without Clinton because he had veto power.

During this time, the GOP took the limelight and Clinton allowed it to simply screw itself. The GOP consistently attacked Clinton, played "Speak Loudly and Carry a Bigger Stick" and forgot that Clinton held the bully pulpit. Of course, when the GOP tried to do what it was elected to do (make draconian Medicare cuts, tax cuts, etc) the population saw it as a problem and Clinton, one of the GREAT politicians, seized on the opening, shutting down the government, and helping the public blame the GOP for it.

Meanwhile, the GOP got even more personal with its attacks, impeachment, etc. It made them look worse, but still the Democrats couldn't win.

It seemed as though the American people liked gridlock. That was good because new spending wasn't happening and the budget was edging closer to a responsible form. That bad news was that Medicare wasn't getting cut and gridlock has the effet of not only preventing stupid laws from being passed but also preventing stupid laws from being repealed.

Obama is caving now because he has no choice. Hopey Changey isn't any different. He's a politician facing reelection in two years.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

True. Nationalism isn't the hip thing to do here. We save that for Europe and the rest of its foreign colonies.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[JohnRich 4]

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I've never *met a country* which is hating itself so much like some of you guys do.

We learned from your country what blind obedience to a charismatic leader can do.

[rushmc 23]

He did it in two

Go figure

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Does this mean that the messiah savior of the world won't be doing his "Parting of the Red Sea" matinees on Tuesdays and Thursdays anymore? Or is it simple a case where Hollywood has become more obsessed with finding a replacement for Lindsay Lohan (word has it Miley Cyrus is the front runner) that Hollywood just is not sending the messiah savior of the world any more special effects teams to make everyone believe that he can actually part the Red Sea.

Maybe Hollywood is working on a new plot to sell the world that their messiah will save us all in 2012. After all the world is supposed to come to an end about 6-7 weeks after the next US presidential election. Wouldn't it just be the best ever Hollywood story if Barack was to swoop in and save us all. Got to love Hollywood, nobody can make up things better than they can. Barack Obama is the Hollywood president.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[DaVinci 0]

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I've never *met a country* which is hating itself so much like some of you guys do. We call that *shitting into your own nest*.

Disgusting.

I hear you guys are not that proud of 1933 to 1945.... Should we say, "shame on you" for that?????

[popsjumper 2]

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I've never *met a country* which is hating itself so much like some of you guys do. We call that *shitting into your own nest*.

Disgusting.

This is interesting. It makes me wonder just how many times can one person shoot themselves in the foot and still not get it...whatever it is they are responding to.

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Thoughtful Content = LOW

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[popsjumper 2]

OK...call me out-of-the-loop but...to what political pressure is he caving specifically?
Budgeting?
Health Care?
Other????

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[pirana 0]

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OK...call me out-of-the-loop but...to what political pressure is he caving specifically?
Budgeting?
Health Care?
Other????

I really can't tell what he thinks by what he says, and not much more by what he does. He is the slipperiest politician I've ever listened to. I've watched him take 5 minutes to answer very simple straightforward yes/no questions. He is so evasive I really have a hard time listening to him without getting really disgusted and frustrated. Every question, no matter how simple, gets a lengthy discussion on why it is so complicated - and he rarely actually answers the question.

I do like that he is finally getting a little fiesty at times. Beats his usual totally empty ideological rhetoric, and tells me there might be something with cahunas under that artificial layer of teflon and bullshit.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pirana 0]

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I've never *met a country* which is hating itself so much like some of you guys do. We call that *shitting into your own nest*.

Disgusting.

You are correct. We should all be joining huge goose-stepping parades and choking down our 1936 vintage pablum.

Some countries have a history of the populace blindly following deranged leaders. Maybe the world would be better if we just put that North Korean nutcase on the world throne.

Here, I believe the majority feel that disidence when called for is just as important as loyalty when called for. My opinion is that blind loyalty is far more destructive than unrestricted disedence, and I believe history bears that out.

BTW, just in case you need the distinction drawn out for you; some of us strongly dislike, maybe even hate, some of our leaders and their policies, and maybe parts of our system. It does not necessarily mean we hate ourselves or our country.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[livendive 8]

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OK...call me out-of-the-loop but...to what political pressure is he caving specifically?
Budgeting?
Health Care?
Other????

He caved to Republican pressure to further increase the budget deficit. You know, the party of "fiscal responsibility" who think the bills will pay themselves.

Blues,
Dave

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(drink Mountain Dew)

[rushmc 23]

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OK...call me out-of-the-loop but...to what political pressure is he caving specifically?
Budgeting?
Health Care?
Other????

He caved to Republican pressure to further increase the budget deficit. You know, the party of "fiscal responsibility" who think the bills will pay themselves.

Blues,
Dave

He also caved to the Dem 1.1 Trillion dollar un-debated spending omnibus bill. (Hopefull this one will get killed yet.....)

Did you see that one?


He also caved when he signed into law bills that did not follow the Dems how you going to pay for it policy (that they have ignored through out the year)

Caving over and over

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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He's being smart. He is doign now exactly what Clinton did. The 1994 elections repudiated Clinton and Congress's policy goals and planned actions. When the GOP took power in January 1995, Clinton could not push through what he had wanted. However, the GOP could not push through what it wanted without Clinton because he had veto power.

During this time, the GOP took the limelight and Clinton allowed it to simply screw itself. The GOP consistently attacked Clinton, played "Speak Loudly and Carry a Bigger Stick" and forgot that Clinton held the bully pulpit. Of course, when the GOP tried to do what it was elected to do (make draconian Medicare cuts, tax cuts, etc) the population saw it as a problem and Clinton, one of the GREAT politicians, seized on the opening, shutting down the government, and helping the public blame the GOP for it.

Meanwhile, the GOP got even more personal with its attacks, impeachment, etc. It made them look worse, but still the Democrats couldn't win.

It seemed as though the American people liked gridlock. That was good because new spending wasn't happening and the budget was edging closer to a responsible form. That bad news was that Medicare wasn't getting cut and gridlock has the effet of not only preventing stupid laws from being passed but also preventing stupid laws from being repealed.

Obama is caving now because he has no choice. Hopey Changey isn't any different. He's a politician facing reelection in two years.

Well written assessment. have to say though that I don't think the GOP has any interest in truly making any draconian cuts. They had the chance right after Clinton with full control of both houses and the presidency, yet they didn't do anything.

[SStewart 13]

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. . . to political pressure.

Question:
1) Is he caving because he is trying to save his ass from being known as the worst President EVER, surpassing Jimmy Carter?

or

2) Is he caving because he woke up one morning and said to himself, "You know, I'm tired of this, I think I -WILL- start doing what the American People really want me to?"

or

3) Hmmm - If I say then the people will believe me, at least for a while, and then I can get re-elected in two years.

or

4) He is secretly a republican

Onward and Upward!

[rushmc 23]

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. . . to political pressure.

Question:
1) Is he caving because he is trying to save his ass from being known as the worst President EVER, surpassing Jimmy Carter?

or

2) Is he caving because he woke up one morning and said to himself, "You know, I'm tired of this, I think I -WILL- start doing what the American People really want me to?"

or

3) Hmmm - If I say then the people will believe me, at least for a while, and then I can get re-elected in two years.

or

4) He is secretly a republican

Ah man
You lost your tin hat didnt you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SStewart 13]

Oh really? Let's look at a quick comparison.

Bush: republican
Obama: democrat?

Bush: increased government spending
Obama: increased government spending

Bush: tax cuts for the rich
Obama: more tax cuts for the rich

Bush: big government
Obama: more big government

Bush: Huge corporate bailouts
Obama: more corporate bailouts

Bush: invaded Afghanistan
Obama: escalated the war in Afghanistan

Just to name a few. He sure does seem like a republican to me unless you want to argue that Bush was not really a republican.

I really don't understand why the republicans don't like him, maybe it is just an act. With the exception of the watered down republican version of the health care bill he pretty much let them have everything they want.

I really don't see much difference between the two. Obama for the most part has just been a continuation of the Bush administration. Bush ran the economy into the ground and now Obama is going to finish the job.

Jon Stewart nailed it when he said "the republicans are assholes and the democrats are pussies.

Some choice

Onward and Upward!

[rushmc 23]

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Oh really? Let's look at a quick comparison.

Bush: republican
Obama: democrat?

Bush: increased government spending
Obama: increased government spending

Bush: tax cuts for the rich
Obama: more tax cuts for the rich

Bush: big government
Obama: more big government

Bush: Huge corporate bailouts
Obama: more corporate bailouts

Bush: invaded Afghanistan
Obama: escalated the war in Afghanistan

Just to name a few. He sure does seem like a republican to me unless you want to argue that Bush was not really a republican.

I really don't understand why the republicans don't like him, maybe it is just an act. With the exception of the watered down republican version of the health care bill he pretty much let them have everything they want.

I really don't see much difference between the two. Obama for the most part has just been a continuation of the Bush administration. Bush ran the economy into the ground and now Obama is going to finish the job.

Jon Stewart nailed it when he said "the republicans are assholes and the democrats are pussies.

Some choice

Obama takes over 1/6th of the economy (HC)
Bush ah

Oh ya

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

As far as your general point goes
Ya
You are right

They are all alike in many too many ways

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

Clarity will come when you see who agrees with him (I do) and who vigorously defends "their" guy as different and better

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[rushmc 23]

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Clarity will come when you see who agrees with him (I do) and who vigorously defends "their" guy as different and better

Been there a while

things gotta change

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[pirana 0]

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I really don't understand why the republicans don't like him, maybe it is just an act. With the exception of the watered down republican version of the health care bill he pretty much let them have everything they want.

I really don't see much difference between the two. Obama for the most part has just been a continuation of the Bush administration. Bush ran the economy into the ground and now Obama is going to finish the job.

Jon Stewart nailed it when he said "the republicans are assholes and the democrats are pussies.

Some choice

Exactly. The leadership of both parties are so far out of touch with reality it is genuinely pathetic.

You think people are warming up to the idea of voting against all incumbents; or will it take a couple more rounds of assholes running our country for that to happen?

How bad does it have to get before the loyally blind discard their party vanities and wake up to the fact that our system only presents to us a choice between 2 different flavors of elitist self-centered assholes? We allow corporations to fund their campaigns, then expect the elected to represent the man on the street. Right.

The public at large doesn't get off the hook either. Just keep shopping at Walmart until absolutely nothing sold in this country is actually made here anymore - then of course keep bitching about the loss of jobs. Are the majority of humans really that stupid? Can't even play a simple game of connect-the-dots.

Oh, I forgot - "It's complicated."

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[rushmc 23]

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I really don't understand why the republicans don't like him, maybe it is just an act. With the exception of the watered down republican version of the health care bill he pretty much let them have everything they want.

I really don't see much difference between the two. Obama for the most part has just been a continuation of the Bush administration. Bush ran the economy into the ground and now Obama is going to finish the job.

Jon Stewart nailed it when he said "the republicans are assholes and the democrats are pussies.

Some choice

Exactly. The leadership of both parties are so far out of touch with reality it is genuinely pathetic.

You think people are warming up to the idea of voting against all incumbents; or will it take a couple more rounds of assholes running our country for that to happen?

How bad does it have to get before the loyally blind discard their party vanities and wake up to the fact that our system only presents to us a choice between 2 different flavors of elitist self-centered assholes? We allow corporations to fund their campaigns, then expect the elected to represent the man on the street. Right.

The public at large doesn't get off the hook either. Just keep shopping at Walmart until absolutely nothing sold in this country is actually made here anymore - then of course keep bitching about the loss of jobs. Are the majority of humans really that stupid? Can't even play a simple game of connect-the-dots.

Oh, I forgot - "It's complicated."

Not sure what it will take in the end. But, the power of the people (in the case I will reference) namely the Tea Party had a big hand in getting Dirty Harry to throw out the monster spending bill is a good start

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln