turtlespeed 226 #1 December 15, 2010 I mean - Over 20,000 is just a bit rediculous. Just another case of: "you have to pass it to see what is in it." again. How'd that first one work out for you? I guess the Dems have election funding bills to pay off to those lobbyists that helped get them, elected.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #2 December 15, 2010 Quote I guess the Dems have election funding bills to pay off to those lobbyists that helped get them, elected. The Republicans too. No amount of rhetorical outrage can cover for the fact that this is business as usual for both parties. Unfortunately we get the government that we deserve."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote I guess the Dems have election funding bills to pay off to those lobbyists that helped get them, elected. The Republicans too. No amount of rhetorical outrage can cover for the fact that this is business as usual for both parties. Unfortunately we get the government that we deserve. I would think that we would deserve one that is more honest. Just because we weren't watching the hen house as much as we should have been, doesn't mean that we deserve to have a bunch of coyotes come over.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #4 December 15, 2010 It's a train running full speed ahead and having no brakes. Unstoppable. It's just a matter of time before we get run over...and yes, I'd say we, as the general voting population, deserve everything we get. The inmates are running the asylum.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 2 #5 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote I guess the Dems have election funding bills to pay off to those lobbyists that helped get them, elected. The Republicans too. No amount of rhetorical outrage can cover for the fact that this is business as usual for both parties. Unfortunately we get the government that we deserve. I would think that we would deserve one that is more honest. Just because we weren't watching the hen house as much as we should have been, doesn't mean that we deserve to have a bunch of coyotes come over. We don't deserve anything we can't defend. Half the elegable voters don't vote. the half that does keep electing the people who take money from the special intrests and from WAY outside their proper constituances. And then we're supprised to see how the rouges repay their benefactors at the voters expence. Anarcy would be a more fair way to live than this system of corrupt professional polliticians.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #6 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote I guess the Dems have election funding bills to pay off to those lobbyists that helped get them, elected. The Republicans too. No amount of rhetorical outrage can cover for the fact that this is business as usual for both parties. Unfortunately we get the government that we deserve. Oh...In that case, lets Ignore it...Nothing to see here folks, it has happened before, no need for alarm, this is a non news item... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #7 December 15, 2010 >Oh...In that case, lets Ignore it...Nothing to see here folks, it has >happened before, no need for alarm . . . ??? Many are indeed alarmed at the decrease in pork: ======================= GOP gets queasy over earmark ban By JAKE SHERMAN 12/9/10 4:34 AM EST After agreeing to kill earmarks, some of the most conservative GOP lawmakers are already starting to ask themselves: What have we done? Indeed, many Republicans are now worried that the bridges in their districts won’t be fixed, the tariff relief to the local chemical company isn’t coming and the water systems might not be built without a little direction from Congress. So some Republicans are discussing exemptions to the earmark ban, allowing transportation, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and water projects. While transportation earmarks are probably the most notorious — think “Bridge to Nowhere” — there is talk about tweaking the very definition of “earmark.” “It’s like what beauty is,” said Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.). “Everyone knows what a bridge to nowhere is, or an airport that lands no airplanes, or a statue to you — everyone knows that’s bad. It’s easy to say what an earmark isn’t, rather than what an earmark is.” The issue has popped up most frequently at the Conservative Opportunity Society, the caucus founded by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) in the early 1980s. During their Wednesday morning meeting last week, caucus members had a long discussion about how the Republican Party could redefine “member-directed spending,” as earmarks are formally called on the Hill. Conservatives like Roe, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and Iowa Rep. Steve King are among those trying to figure out a longer-term, sustainable way to get money back to projects in their districts ============== Perhaps they will just redefine "earmark" to, say "fiscal responsibility mark." Then they can still siphon money to their own districts while touting their own fiscal responsibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #8 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote I guess the Dems have election funding bills to pay off to those lobbyists that helped get them, elected. The Republicans too. No amount of rhetorical outrage can cover for the fact that this is business as usual for both parties. Unfortunately we get the government that we deserve. Oh...In that case, lets Ignore it...Nothing to see here folks, it has happened before, no need for alarm, this is a non news item... He didn't say to ignore it. But it's a fact that politicians from both parties have campaigned and been reelected based largely on how much "bacon" they can bring to their home constituencies. The politician who can't bring jobs by steering government $$ to the local economy has always been seen as a loser. Can you imagine anyone running on a platform of "If you elect me, I'll make sure not one dime of federal money makes it into this district"? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 December 16, 2010 QuoteIt's a train running full speed ahead and having no brakes. Unstoppable. It's just a matter of time before we get run over...and yes, I'd say we, as the general voting population, deserve everything we get. The inmates are running the asylum. Quick.... Get Denzel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #10 December 16, 2010 Quote Quote I guess the Dems have election funding bills to pay off to those lobbyists that helped get them, elected. The Republicans too. No amount of rhetorical outrage can cover for the fact that this is business as usual for both parties. Unfortunately we get the government that we deserve. They're all the same... republicans, democrats, doesn't matter! They collect their paycheck from us and here and there from the lobbyists and whoever else is willing to grease their palms. I still think, senators and congressmen should be limited to two terms... just like the president. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
