dj123 0 #1 December 14, 2010 Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than plunder? Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 December 14, 2010 Quote Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than plunder? Blues, DJ Got any proof to back up the claim? You know, those tankers full of free oil coming into port or somesuch?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #3 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuote Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than plunder? Blues, DJ Got any proof to back up the claim? There is no claim,mnealtx, just a question. Do you still believe this war is /was for more than plunder? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #4 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than plunder? Blues, DJ Got any proof to back up the claim? There is no claim,mnealtx, just a question. Do you still believe this war is /was for more than plunder? Blue Skies, DJ By asking the question, you are making the case that the war was, in fact, for nothing 'more than plunder'. Support your case.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #5 December 14, 2010 I don't know what the Afghan war is about anymore. But I do know that the messiah savior of the world, the one, the only "Yes we can ... spend more money than anyone in history" Barak Hussien Obama won a Nobel Peace prize for the war ... before he decided to escalate it. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #6 December 14, 2010 Plunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #7 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than plunder? Blues, DJ Got any proof to back up the claim? There is no claim,mnealtx, just a question. Do you still believe this war is /was for more than plunder? Blue Skies, DJ By asking the question, you are making the case that the war was, in fact, for nothing 'more than plunder'. Support your case. A question is not a "case" ,it is merely a question. Here is another question ,maybe you care to answer, maybe you won't. What do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #8 December 14, 2010 QuoteWhat do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ You like your leading questions, don't you? Why do you think the reasons the government has already stated aren't the "real reasons"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #9 December 14, 2010 QuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 334 #10 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps? Oh, I see, he meant plunder the U.S. Treasury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #11 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps? That *could* be a point - however, I've heard that in many cases, contracts actually save the government money due to the cost of the logistical 'tail' for troops vs overhead for contracts. Additionally, there's just not the number of troops to fill the support slots anymore. I'm not saying that's the situation in every case...but people tend to get a bit of tunnel vision when the words 'government contract' show up.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #12 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ You like your leading questions, don't you? Why do you think the reasons the government has already stated aren't the "real reasons"? Well for one, the relatively small number of Al-Queida in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I mean really, if the war on terr is all about AlQueida ,or even mostly about Al Queida ,does the treat really neccesitate 150,000 troops and even more private contractors? Really? To catch 50 to 100 al-queida members? " CIA Director Leon Panetta revealed in June 2010 on ABC's This Week that there are less than 100 Al-Qaeda members in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. "I think the estimate on the number of Al Qaeda," said Panetta, "is actually relatively small. At most, we're looking at 50 to 100, maybe less. It's in that vicinity." " Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #13 December 14, 2010 QuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, opium production ,and last on the list but possibly first among reasons , geographic location best suited for piping natural gas from the Casapian Sea . Blues. DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #14 December 14, 2010 >Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than >plunder? It was originally to destroy the organization that pulled off 9/11. They have since departed - so it's time for us to depart as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #15 December 14, 2010 Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #16 December 14, 2010 Quote>Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than >plunder? It was originally to destroy the organization that pulled off 9/11. They have since departed - so it's time for us to depart as well. Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led to believe pulled off 9-11. The Taliban is still there and we only control small areas of Afghanistan. The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to eliminate their Rights as well. JMO. Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #17 December 14, 2010 Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #18 December 15, 2010 >Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led >to believe pulled off 9-11. Well, sort of. The Taliban were more in the way than anything else. We were fine with them when they were fighting the Russians. >The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military >industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to >eliminate their Rights as well. You just contradicted yourself there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #19 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ That's correct - the last time I looked, 2004 was later than 2001: Quote In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. I'm pretty sure that 2006, 2007 and 2009 are all after 2001, as well: Quote Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country. The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted. The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing. But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #20 December 15, 2010 Quote>Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led >to believe pulled off 9-11. Well, sort of. The Taliban were more in the way than anything else. We were fine with them when they were fighting the Russians. >The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military >industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to >eliminate their Rights as well. You just contradicted yourself there. You are right ,Bill. I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. My bad. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #21 December 15, 2010 >I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. Ah, so it was all a well-planned conspiracy to enrich the military industrial complex and deprive people of rights, and not just a poorly planned clusterfuck? Heinlein's Law applies here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #22 December 15, 2010 ...for $100, AlexMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #23 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ That's correct - the last time I looked, 2004 was later than 2001: Quote In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. I'm pretty sure that 2006, 2007 and 2009 are all after 2001, as well: Quote Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country. The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted. The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing. But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits. You are right mnealtx. I'm as certain as you that we had no idea those minerals were or might be there prior to the invasion!!! I mean who would have thought to look? Corporations who profit from geological extractions had surely just missed all those wealthy deposits in every survey previous to 9-11 , don't you agree? Fair Winds, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #24 December 15, 2010 Quote>I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. Ah, so it was all a well-planned conspiracy to enrich the military industrial complex and deprive people of rights, and not just a poorly planned clusterfuck? Heinlein's Law applies here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Of course there is that pesky Congressional record from 1998 where they discussed the pipeline and Unocal . Not exactly stupidity. Malice ..yes. Unlimited Cielings, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #25 December 15, 2010 QuoteCorporations who profit from geological extractions had surely just missed all those wealthy deposits in every survey previous to 9-11 , don't you agree? Show your proof - or is this another 'Bilderberger Special'?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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mnealtx 0 #4 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than plunder? Blues, DJ Got any proof to back up the claim? There is no claim,mnealtx, just a question. Do you still believe this war is /was for more than plunder? Blue Skies, DJ By asking the question, you are making the case that the war was, in fact, for nothing 'more than plunder'. Support your case.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #5 December 14, 2010 I don't know what the Afghan war is about anymore. But I do know that the messiah savior of the world, the one, the only "Yes we can ... spend more money than anyone in history" Barak Hussien Obama won a Nobel Peace prize for the war ... before he decided to escalate it. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #6 December 14, 2010 Plunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #7 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than plunder? Blues, DJ Got any proof to back up the claim? There is no claim,mnealtx, just a question. Do you still believe this war is /was for more than plunder? Blue Skies, DJ By asking the question, you are making the case that the war was, in fact, for nothing 'more than plunder'. Support your case. A question is not a "case" ,it is merely a question. Here is another question ,maybe you care to answer, maybe you won't. What do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #8 December 14, 2010 QuoteWhat do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ You like your leading questions, don't you? Why do you think the reasons the government has already stated aren't the "real reasons"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #9 December 14, 2010 QuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 334 #10 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps? Oh, I see, he meant plunder the U.S. Treasury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #11 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps? That *could* be a point - however, I've heard that in many cases, contracts actually save the government money due to the cost of the logistical 'tail' for troops vs overhead for contracts. Additionally, there's just not the number of troops to fill the support slots anymore. I'm not saying that's the situation in every case...but people tend to get a bit of tunnel vision when the words 'government contract' show up.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #12 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ You like your leading questions, don't you? Why do you think the reasons the government has already stated aren't the "real reasons"? Well for one, the relatively small number of Al-Queida in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I mean really, if the war on terr is all about AlQueida ,or even mostly about Al Queida ,does the treat really neccesitate 150,000 troops and even more private contractors? Really? To catch 50 to 100 al-queida members? " CIA Director Leon Panetta revealed in June 2010 on ABC's This Week that there are less than 100 Al-Qaeda members in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. "I think the estimate on the number of Al Qaeda," said Panetta, "is actually relatively small. At most, we're looking at 50 to 100, maybe less. It's in that vicinity." " Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #13 December 14, 2010 QuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, opium production ,and last on the list but possibly first among reasons , geographic location best suited for piping natural gas from the Casapian Sea . Blues. DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #14 December 14, 2010 >Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than >plunder? It was originally to destroy the organization that pulled off 9/11. They have since departed - so it's time for us to depart as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #15 December 14, 2010 Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #16 December 14, 2010 Quote>Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than >plunder? It was originally to destroy the organization that pulled off 9/11. They have since departed - so it's time for us to depart as well. Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led to believe pulled off 9-11. The Taliban is still there and we only control small areas of Afghanistan. The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to eliminate their Rights as well. JMO. Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #17 December 14, 2010 Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #18 December 15, 2010 >Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led >to believe pulled off 9-11. Well, sort of. The Taliban were more in the way than anything else. We were fine with them when they were fighting the Russians. >The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military >industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to >eliminate their Rights as well. You just contradicted yourself there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #19 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ That's correct - the last time I looked, 2004 was later than 2001: Quote In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. I'm pretty sure that 2006, 2007 and 2009 are all after 2001, as well: Quote Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country. The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted. The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing. But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #20 December 15, 2010 Quote>Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led >to believe pulled off 9-11. Well, sort of. The Taliban were more in the way than anything else. We were fine with them when they were fighting the Russians. >The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military >industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to >eliminate their Rights as well. You just contradicted yourself there. You are right ,Bill. I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. My bad. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #21 December 15, 2010 >I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. Ah, so it was all a well-planned conspiracy to enrich the military industrial complex and deprive people of rights, and not just a poorly planned clusterfuck? Heinlein's Law applies here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #22 December 15, 2010 ...for $100, AlexMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #23 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ That's correct - the last time I looked, 2004 was later than 2001: Quote In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. I'm pretty sure that 2006, 2007 and 2009 are all after 2001, as well: Quote Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country. The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted. The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing. But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits. You are right mnealtx. I'm as certain as you that we had no idea those minerals were or might be there prior to the invasion!!! I mean who would have thought to look? Corporations who profit from geological extractions had surely just missed all those wealthy deposits in every survey previous to 9-11 , don't you agree? Fair Winds, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #24 December 15, 2010 Quote>I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. Ah, so it was all a well-planned conspiracy to enrich the military industrial complex and deprive people of rights, and not just a poorly planned clusterfuck? Heinlein's Law applies here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Of course there is that pesky Congressional record from 1998 where they discussed the pipeline and Unocal . Not exactly stupidity. Malice ..yes. Unlimited Cielings, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #25 December 15, 2010 QuoteCorporations who profit from geological extractions had surely just missed all those wealthy deposits in every survey previous to 9-11 , don't you agree? Show your proof - or is this another 'Bilderberger Special'?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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CanuckInUSA 0 #5 December 14, 2010 I don't know what the Afghan war is about anymore. But I do know that the messiah savior of the world, the one, the only "Yes we can ... spend more money than anyone in history" Barak Hussien Obama won a Nobel Peace prize for the war ... before he decided to escalate it. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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dj123 0 #7 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than plunder? Blues, DJ Got any proof to back up the claim? There is no claim,mnealtx, just a question. Do you still believe this war is /was for more than plunder? Blue Skies, DJ By asking the question, you are making the case that the war was, in fact, for nothing 'more than plunder'. Support your case. A question is not a "case" ,it is merely a question. Here is another question ,maybe you care to answer, maybe you won't. What do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #8 December 14, 2010 QuoteWhat do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ You like your leading questions, don't you? Why do you think the reasons the government has already stated aren't the "real reasons"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #9 December 14, 2010 QuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 334 #10 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps? Oh, I see, he meant plunder the U.S. Treasury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #11 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps? That *could* be a point - however, I've heard that in many cases, contracts actually save the government money due to the cost of the logistical 'tail' for troops vs overhead for contracts. Additionally, there's just not the number of troops to fill the support slots anymore. I'm not saying that's the situation in every case...but people tend to get a bit of tunnel vision when the words 'government contract' show up.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #12 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ You like your leading questions, don't you? Why do you think the reasons the government has already stated aren't the "real reasons"? Well for one, the relatively small number of Al-Queida in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I mean really, if the war on terr is all about AlQueida ,or even mostly about Al Queida ,does the treat really neccesitate 150,000 troops and even more private contractors? Really? To catch 50 to 100 al-queida members? " CIA Director Leon Panetta revealed in June 2010 on ABC's This Week that there are less than 100 Al-Qaeda members in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. "I think the estimate on the number of Al Qaeda," said Panetta, "is actually relatively small. At most, we're looking at 50 to 100, maybe less. It's in that vicinity." " Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #13 December 14, 2010 QuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, opium production ,and last on the list but possibly first among reasons , geographic location best suited for piping natural gas from the Casapian Sea . Blues. DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #14 December 14, 2010 >Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than >plunder? It was originally to destroy the organization that pulled off 9/11. They have since departed - so it's time for us to depart as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #15 December 14, 2010 Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #16 December 14, 2010 Quote>Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than >plunder? It was originally to destroy the organization that pulled off 9/11. They have since departed - so it's time for us to depart as well. Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led to believe pulled off 9-11. The Taliban is still there and we only control small areas of Afghanistan. The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to eliminate their Rights as well. JMO. Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #17 December 14, 2010 Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #18 December 15, 2010 >Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led >to believe pulled off 9-11. Well, sort of. The Taliban were more in the way than anything else. We were fine with them when they were fighting the Russians. >The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military >industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to >eliminate their Rights as well. You just contradicted yourself there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #19 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ That's correct - the last time I looked, 2004 was later than 2001: Quote In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. I'm pretty sure that 2006, 2007 and 2009 are all after 2001, as well: Quote Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country. The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted. The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing. But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #20 December 15, 2010 Quote>Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led >to believe pulled off 9-11. Well, sort of. The Taliban were more in the way than anything else. We were fine with them when they were fighting the Russians. >The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military >industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to >eliminate their Rights as well. You just contradicted yourself there. You are right ,Bill. I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. My bad. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #21 December 15, 2010 >I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. Ah, so it was all a well-planned conspiracy to enrich the military industrial complex and deprive people of rights, and not just a poorly planned clusterfuck? Heinlein's Law applies here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #22 December 15, 2010 ...for $100, AlexMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #23 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ That's correct - the last time I looked, 2004 was later than 2001: Quote In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. I'm pretty sure that 2006, 2007 and 2009 are all after 2001, as well: Quote Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country. The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted. The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing. But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits. You are right mnealtx. I'm as certain as you that we had no idea those minerals were or might be there prior to the invasion!!! I mean who would have thought to look? Corporations who profit from geological extractions had surely just missed all those wealthy deposits in every survey previous to 9-11 , don't you agree? Fair Winds, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #24 December 15, 2010 Quote>I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. Ah, so it was all a well-planned conspiracy to enrich the military industrial complex and deprive people of rights, and not just a poorly planned clusterfuck? Heinlein's Law applies here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Of course there is that pesky Congressional record from 1998 where they discussed the pipeline and Unocal . Not exactly stupidity. Malice ..yes. Unlimited Cielings, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #25 December 15, 2010 QuoteCorporations who profit from geological extractions had surely just missed all those wealthy deposits in every survey previous to 9-11 , don't you agree? Show your proof - or is this another 'Bilderberger Special'?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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mnealtx 0 #8 December 14, 2010 QuoteWhat do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ You like your leading questions, don't you? Why do you think the reasons the government has already stated aren't the "real reasons"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #9 December 14, 2010 QuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #10 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps? Oh, I see, he meant plunder the U.S. Treasury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Government contracts perhaps? That *could* be a point - however, I've heard that in many cases, contracts actually save the government money due to the cost of the logistical 'tail' for troops vs overhead for contracts. Additionally, there's just not the number of troops to fill the support slots anymore. I'm not saying that's the situation in every case...but people tend to get a bit of tunnel vision when the words 'government contract' show up.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #12 December 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat do you believe is the real reason we are at war in Afghanistan? Blues, DJ You like your leading questions, don't you? Why do you think the reasons the government has already stated aren't the "real reasons"? Well for one, the relatively small number of Al-Queida in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I mean really, if the war on terr is all about AlQueida ,or even mostly about Al Queida ,does the treat really neccesitate 150,000 troops and even more private contractors? Really? To catch 50 to 100 al-queida members? " CIA Director Leon Panetta revealed in June 2010 on ABC's This Week that there are less than 100 Al-Qaeda members in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. "I think the estimate on the number of Al Qaeda," said Panetta, "is actually relatively small. At most, we're looking at 50 to 100, maybe less. It's in that vicinity." " Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #13 December 14, 2010 QuotePlunder in Afghanistan? In what form? Goat shit? Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, opium production ,and last on the list but possibly first among reasons , geographic location best suited for piping natural gas from the Casapian Sea . Blues. DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #14 December 14, 2010 >Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than >plunder? It was originally to destroy the organization that pulled off 9/11. They have since departed - so it's time for us to depart as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 December 14, 2010 Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #16 December 14, 2010 Quote>Is there anyone out there that still believes this war is/was for more than >plunder? It was originally to destroy the organization that pulled off 9/11. They have since departed - so it's time for us to depart as well. Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led to believe pulled off 9-11. The Taliban is still there and we only control small areas of Afghanistan. The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to eliminate their Rights as well. JMO. Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #17 December 14, 2010 Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #18 December 15, 2010 >Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led >to believe pulled off 9-11. Well, sort of. The Taliban were more in the way than anything else. We were fine with them when they were fighting the Russians. >The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military >industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to >eliminate their Rights as well. You just contradicted yourself there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ That's correct - the last time I looked, 2004 was later than 2001: Quote In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. I'm pretty sure that 2006, 2007 and 2009 are all after 2001, as well: Quote Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country. The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted. The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing. But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #20 December 15, 2010 Quote>Actually it was to destroy the Taliban who harbored those we were led >to believe pulled off 9-11. Well, sort of. The Taliban were more in the way than anything else. We were fine with them when they were fighting the Russians. >The truth is that the war on "terr" is a planned war to enrich the military >industrial complex at the expense of the citizenry and as justification to >eliminate their Rights as well. You just contradicted yourself there. You are right ,Bill. I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. My bad. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #21 December 15, 2010 >I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. Ah, so it was all a well-planned conspiracy to enrich the military industrial complex and deprive people of rights, and not just a poorly planned clusterfuck? Heinlein's Law applies here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #22 December 15, 2010 ...for $100, AlexMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #23 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Let's see, 3 trillion in mineral deposits, The ones that were discovered six years after the campaign started? Yeah, I'm sure that's why.... Yes mnealtx, I'm sure we had no clue they were there prior! Blues, DJ That's correct - the last time I looked, 2004 was later than 2001: Quote In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. I'm pretty sure that 2006, 2007 and 2009 are all after 2001, as well: Quote Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country. The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted. The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing. But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits. You are right mnealtx. I'm as certain as you that we had no idea those minerals were or might be there prior to the invasion!!! I mean who would have thought to look? Corporations who profit from geological extractions had surely just missed all those wealthy deposits in every survey previous to 9-11 , don't you agree? Fair Winds, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #24 December 15, 2010 Quote>I should have said "the supposed reason forthe war was to destroy the Taliban.. Ah, so it was all a well-planned conspiracy to enrich the military industrial complex and deprive people of rights, and not just a poorly planned clusterfuck? Heinlein's Law applies here: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Of course there is that pesky Congressional record from 1998 where they discussed the pipeline and Unocal . Not exactly stupidity. Malice ..yes. Unlimited Cielings, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 December 15, 2010 QuoteCorporations who profit from geological extractions had surely just missed all those wealthy deposits in every survey previous to 9-11 , don't you agree? Show your proof - or is this another 'Bilderberger Special'?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
