kelpdiver 2 #176 December 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteand there he cuts and runs again, pretending he's not been discussing it all day. Can't dispute the facts can you? It is simply untrue that half the population pays no tax. the facts are in clear view here, and everyone can make their own conclusion about how silly you're being (again). Your tactics really only work on the newcomers, and we have fewer of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #177 December 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteand there he cuts and runs again, pretending he's not been discussing it all day. Can't dispute the facts can you? It is simply untrue that half the population pays no tax. Tell it to the IRS - they're the ones with the documentation saying that roughly 50% of the country pays no INCOME tax. That *is* the topic under discussion, after all, not your red herring about sales tax. Tell it to Marc Rush. I was disputing HIS statement: "If everyone payed taxes then all would vote to take power away from the money hungry power bastards that are our elected officials." Nothing in there limiting it to income taxes. Maybe you need new reading glasses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #178 December 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteand there he cuts and runs again, pretending he's not been discussing it all day. Can't dispute the facts can you? It is simply untrue that half the population pays no tax. the facts are in clear view here, ). . Yes they are. Way more than half the population pays taxes. Trying to limit discussion to only one kind of tax in order to make a point is stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #179 December 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteand there he cuts and runs again, pretending he's not been discussing it all day. Can't dispute the facts can you? It is simply untrue that half the population pays no tax. Tell it to the IRS - they're the ones with the documentation saying that roughly 50% of the country pays no INCOME tax. That *is* the topic under discussion, after all, not your red herring about sales tax. Tell it to Marc Rush. I was disputing HIS statement: "If everyone payed taxes then all would vote to take power away from the money hungry power bastards that are our elected officials." Nothing in there limiting it to income taxes. Maybe you need new reading glasses. Nothing in there stating sales tax, either. Maybe you need a new strawman.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #180 December 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteand there he cuts and runs again, pretending he's not been discussing it all day. Can't dispute the facts can you? It is simply untrue that half the population pays no tax. Tell it to the IRS - they're the ones with the documentation saying that roughly 50% of the country pays no INCOME tax. That *is* the topic under discussion, after all, not your red herring about sales tax. Tell it to Marc Rush. I was disputing HIS statement: "If everyone payed taxes then all would vote to take power away from the money hungry power bastards that are our elected officials." Nothing in there limiting it to income taxes. Maybe you need new reading glasses. Nothing in there stating sales tax, either. Maybe you need a new strawman. Last time I checked, fuel taxes and sales taxes were part of the all inclusive "taxes". Maybe you need a new grammar primer and a lesson in set theory.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #181 December 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteand there he cuts and runs again, pretending he's not been discussing it all day. Can't dispute the facts can you? It is simply untrue that half the population pays no tax. Tell it to the IRS - they're the ones with the documentation saying that roughly 50% of the country pays no INCOME tax. That *is* the topic under discussion, after all, not your red herring about sales tax. Tell it to Marc Rush. I was disputing HIS statement: "If everyone payed taxes then all would vote to take power away from the money hungry power bastards that are our elected officials." Nothing in there limiting it to income taxes. Maybe you need new reading glasses. Nothing in there stating sales tax, either. Maybe you need a new strawman. Last time I checked, fuel taxes and sales taxes were part of the all inclusive "taxes". Maybe you need a new grammar primer and a lesson in set theory. I'm fine, thanks - unlike yourself, I can comprehend the difference between a FEDERAL income tax and a LOCAL sales tax.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #182 December 22, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote and there he cuts and runs again, pretending he's not been discussing it all day. Can't dispute the facts can you? It is simply untrue that half the population pays no tax. Tell it to the IRS - they're the ones with the documentation saying that roughly 50% of the country pays no INCOME tax. That *is* the topic under discussion, after all, not your red herring about sales tax. Tell it to Marc Rush. I was disputing HIS statement: "If everyone payed taxes then all would vote to take power away from the money hungry power bastards that are our elected officials." Nothing in there limiting it to income taxes. Maybe you need new reading glasses. Nothing in there stating sales tax, either. Maybe you need a new strawman. Last time I checked, fuel taxes and sales taxes were part of the all inclusive "taxes". Maybe you need a new grammar primer and a lesson in set theory. I'm fine, thanks - unlike yourself, I can comprehend the difference between a FEDERAL income tax and a LOCAL sales tax. Unlike you, I both know the difference AND I know that they are BOTH subsets of the larger set called "taxes". I also know that there is a FEDERAL fuel taxKelpdiver was simply wrong when he wrote "His statement was about the problem of having about half the population not pay taxes".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #183 December 22, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote and there he cuts and runs again, pretending he's not been discussing it all day. Can't dispute the facts can you? It is simply untrue that half the population pays no tax. Tell it to the IRS - they're the ones with the documentation saying that roughly 50% of the country pays no INCOME tax. That *is* the topic under discussion, after all, not your red herring about sales tax. Tell it to Marc Rush. I was disputing HIS statement: "If everyone payed taxes then all would vote to take power away from the money hungry power bastards that are our elected officials." Nothing in there limiting it to income taxes. Maybe you need new reading glasses. Nothing in there stating sales tax, either. Maybe you need a new strawman. Last time I checked, fuel taxes and sales taxes were part of the all inclusive "taxes". Maybe you need a new grammar primer and a lesson in set theory. I'm fine, thanks - unlike yourself, I can comprehend the difference between a FEDERAL income tax and a LOCAL sales tax. Unlike you, I both know the difference AND I know that they are BOTH subsets of the larger set called "taxes". I also know that there is a FEDERAL fuel taxKelpdiver was simply wrong when he wrote "His statement was about the problem of having about half the population not pay taxes". Rehmwa cleared up the misunderstanding. It's about perception: Quote It absolutely is when you are talking about the citizenry having an apparent and open concept of financial ownership of the process. Income taxes are directly associated with government spending in people's minds. sales taxes are just part of the cost of that thing you bought. Being taxed on money you spend versus being taxed on the money you earn.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #184 December 22, 2010 Quote Kelpdiver was simply wrong when he wrote "His statement was about the problem of having about half the population not pay taxes". uh, no, I accurately described his argument to you. You just don't accept it, like kids on your lawn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #185 December 22, 2010 QuoteTrying to limit discussion to only one kind of tax in order to make a point is stupid I feel that income tax is a different level of taxation that most people find more onerous. It is the one tax that the government says, "I know you earned this money through your hard work, but I am going to take it away from you and your familiy and spend it wastefully because I am bigger than you are". I think if 100% of the people were subject, then 100% would put pressure on the gov't to be more efficient. Now 50% of the voters don't have skin in the game so what do they care? For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #186 December 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteTrying to limit discussion to only one kind of tax in order to make a point is stupid I feel that income tax is a different level of taxation that most people find more onerous. It is the one tax that the government says, "I know you earned this money through your hard work, but I am going to take it away from you and your familiy and spend it wastefully because I am bigger than you are". I think if 100% of the people were subject, then 100% would put pressure on the gov't to be more efficient. Now 50% of the voters don't have skin in the game so what do they care? Really nicely written. He understands the basic point just fine. We just acknowledge the other statement (though clear in context) was not absolutely correct in phrasing it. Then the bit will come out of his teeth and we can get off the wasteful and pointless tangent. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #187 December 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteTrying to limit discussion to only one kind of tax in order to make a point is stupid I feel that income tax is a different level of taxation that most people find more onerous. It is the one tax that the government says, "I know you earned this money through your hard work, but I am going to take it away from you and your familiy and spend it wastefully because I am bigger than you are". I think if 100% of the people were subject, then 100% would put pressure on the gov't to be more efficient. Now 50% of the voters don't have skin in the game so what do they care? All tax is money taken from you by the government. Income tax is not special in this regard.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #188 December 22, 2010 QuoteQuote Kelpdiver was simply wrong when he wrote "His statement was about the problem of having about half the population not pay taxes". uh, no, I accurately described his argument to you. You just don't accept it, like kids on your lawn. It's not my fault if what you wrote was not what you meant.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #189 December 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote Kelpdiver was simply wrong when he wrote "His statement was about the problem of having about half the population not pay taxes". uh, no, I accurately described his argument to you. You just don't accept it, like kids on your lawn. It's not my fault if what you wrote was not what you meant. Now you're just talking nonsense. I wrote exactly what I meant. That was never in question. You really do have a need to get in the last word, despite nothing to say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #190 December 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Kelpdiver was simply wrong when he wrote "His statement was about the problem of having about half the population not pay taxes". uh, no, I accurately described his argument to you. You just don't accept it, like kids on your lawn. It's not my fault if what you wrote was not what you meant. Now you're just talking nonsense. I wrote exactly what I meant. That was never in question. You really do have a need to get in the last word, despite nothing to say. Apparently not, you've been trying to weasel out of what you wrote for pages now. Here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #191 December 23, 2010 Quote Apparently not, you've been trying to weasel out of what you wrote for pages now. Here. It's hard to be more consistent on a thread. Get some more Zs, man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #192 December 23, 2010 Just thought this was interesting Taxes and the Top Percentile Myth http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703581204576033861522959234.html?mod=rss_opinion_mainYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #193 December 23, 2010 Well, hell yeah! If I have to report income, I'd most certainly do it in a way that is most advantageous to me. That's a no-brainer!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #194 December 23, 2010 True dat-I'm going to pay as little as possible. But, I'm not going to cower behind a keyboard and whine that others should be paying more.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #195 December 23, 2010 Actually I can think of several...Bill...Kalland....who support higher taxes and they seem to make a good enough living that they would be impacted. They aren't hiding behind the keyboard. I'm just not as giving as them, I give enough already Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #196 December 23, 2010 Then ask the question "Do you, or does someone on your behalf, take steps to reduce your tax burden" and wait patiently for an answer-not a response, an answer.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #197 December 23, 2010 Quote Actually I can think of several...Bill...Kalland....who support higher taxes and they seem to make a good enough living that they would be impacted. They aren't hiding behind the keyboard. I'm just not as giving as them, I give enough already Bill and john can just write a check payable towards the national debt or other govrnment debt anytime they want, they don't need congress to mandate it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #198 December 23, 2010 Quote Quote Actually I can think of several...Bill...Kalland....who support higher taxes and they seem to make a good enough living that they would be impacted. They aren't hiding behind the keyboard. I'm just not as giving as them, I give enough already Bill and john can just write a check payable towards the national debt or other govrnment debt anytime they want, they don't need congress to mandate it. It's not my job to compensate for the greed of other wealthy individuals, or for that matter, the super-wealthy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #199 December 23, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Actually I can think of several...Bill...Kalland....who support higher taxes and they seem to make a good enough living that they would be impacted. They aren't hiding behind the keyboard. I'm just not as giving as them, I give enough already Bill and john can just write a check payable towards the national debt or other govrnment debt anytime they want, they don't need congress to mandate it. It's not my job to compensate for the greed of other wealthy individuals, or for that matter, the super-wealthy. You nearly got it right It not our job, your job or my job, to give money to power hunger vote buying politions for their power and greed who have become some of the rich in this country Regardless of party they are all liberal progressive ass hats who want our money You seem to be ok with that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #200 December 23, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Actually I can think of several...Bill...Kalland....who support higher taxes and they seem to make a good enough living that they would be impacted. They aren't hiding behind the keyboard. I'm just not as giving as them, I give enough already Bill and john can just write a check payable towards the national debt or other govrnment debt anytime they want, they don't need congress to mandate it. It's not my job to compensate for the greed of other wealthy individuals, or for that matter, the super-wealthy. You nearly got it right It not our job, your job or my job, to give money to power hunger vote buying politions for their power and greed who have become some of the rich in this country Regardless of party they are all liberal progressive ass hats who want our money You seem to be ok with that Why don't you set an example by voluntarily giving up all your rights to future social security and medicare benefits, since they are clearly liberal causes. I suggest you also quit driving on any public road.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
