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You are still debating under the assumption that POA matters.
It does not.
The only thing that matter is if it hits where it is being POINTED.

Where's the pointing error when it's clamped in a vice, pray tell?

And that is my whole point, If the shot gun where a SxS fixed in postion and
POI was 2 or 3 inches out from POA over 40yds I would'nt worry to much,
but a U/O with 30inch barrels securley mounted and the POI is 3inches
out ( horizontal plane ) from POA over 20yds the gun has a problem.

Because of weather conditions I can't shoot , but when I can I will test
the top barrel and if it shoots the same as the other then they are bent
if it shoots straight them to my mind it can only be a choke problem


To John Rich, to sight the barrels I hot glued (silicon) a 26inch
stainles steel tube along the vent, I used a digital micrometer
as an alignment aid.

Gone fishing

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if it shoots straight them to my mind it can only be a choke problem

Or, it *could* be that the bottom barrel is loose from the rib. Regardless of cause, it's pretty much a gunsmith issue at that point whether a bent barrel, loose barrel or mis-bored choke.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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You are still debating under the assumption that POA matters.
It does not.
The only thing that matter is if it hits where it is being POINTED.

Where's the pointing error when it's clamped in a vice, pray tell?

You are still missing the entire point.
Since a shotgun is pointed, not aimed, clamping it in a vice to see if the POI and POA are the same is meaningless. It means nothing.
It is akin to sighting in a rifle and then being concerned because the bullet doesn't hit where you point the gun without aiming.
The vast majority of shooters spend hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars looking for the one little thing that will instantly take them from busting 90/100 to 100/100 when the whole time the real "secret" is right in front of them. All it takes is a lot of time practicing good form and technique with a gun that shoots where it is pointed, nothing more.
If a trapgun shoots 3" from where it looks like it should at 60' it means nothing as long as it shoots where it is pointed.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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You are still debating under the assumption that POA matters.
It does not.
The only thing that matter is if it hits where it is being POINTED.

Where's the pointing error when it's clamped in a vice, pray tell?

You are still missing the entire point.
Since a shotgun is pointed, not aimed, clamping it in a vice to see if the POI and POA are the same is meaningless. It means nothing.

If that were the case, gunsmiths would never have to re-mount barrels or recut crooked choke threads, and Briley wouldn't make eccentric chokes.

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It is akin to sighting in a rifle and then being concerned because the bullet doesn't hit where you point the gun without aiming.

If it was stringing horizontally from a gun vise, I'd damn sure be concerned - you keep telling me to crank in windage instead of checking to see if the barrel is touching the side of the stock.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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We are talking about POI, not stringing.
Different subject.
But you know that.
People will make and sell any item or service they can convince people will make them shoot better. Shooting suppliers are no different than golf pro shops.
It is obvious we are of different opinions. Fair enough.
I hope your methods have worked as well for you as mine have for me.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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I am a perfectionist with my rifles. If one doesn't shoot really well, after I fine tune it, or after I work up a good load for it, I'll trade it off.

If a gunsmith patterns your shotgun, and if it is indeed off to him, I'd get a quote from him on fixing it. If it is too much money you might just sell it and buy another shotgun.

I had a 22-250 once that wouldn't group very well. I sold it to a guy who didn't care too much about accuracy. He loved that gun.

Sometimes, "Ignorance is Bliss". Many people never do really test a weapon much to see how it shoots.

I've got a few shotguns that I have never patterned. Maybe I should do that. I'd probably find out they aren't as good as I had hoped. I still am able to shoot a turkey or two with them. They seem to work okay on ducks and pheasants. If I shot competitively though, they probably wouldn't measure up....

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I understood what you were saying, and I agreed with it in the most part.

It's the part about it being off-bore from a rest that bothers me.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Ok, to cut a long story short I just got the barrels back from the gunsmith.
The problem was a badly machined choke. I have no recourse to the original maker as they
went out of buisness over ten years ago, and it was never a best gun to start with.
Because of Spanish laws I am not allowed to cut the barrels down.

I have managed to find a set of second hand barrels but with a small problem
one of the ejectors is a little bent and it has a tendancy of riding over the shell casing
instead of ejecting it.
I do find it a little interesting that a trap gun has ejectors instead of expulsors
as a lot of trap shooters I know reload thier own.
Anyway I'm not familiar with the ejector system and need to release it to eaither
repair or order a replacement,
So here are some photos, anyone familiar with this system and know how to
release the ejector

Gone fishing

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It sounds like you need a new part, (if the ejector is bent). A good gunsmith can work magic on a damaged gun. But there are a lot of people out there who pretend to be gunsmiths. Some are gunsmiths but they do lousy work. So, it's worth looking for the right gunsmith.

I took two rifles to a so called gun smith. One wouldn't feed right. The other had firing pin problems. I paid the guy quite a bit of cash to fix both problems. I got home and both guns still weren't fixed. I figured out what the problem was on both rifles myself.....

I took another rifle to have iron sights put on (to another gunsmith). The back sight was set too far to one side. It wasn't in proper alignment. I was able to get it sighted in, only by setting the windage way to one side.

I mailed off several trigger mechanisms recently, to get them adjusted. They came back just about perfect. So, I know there are good gunsmiths out there, but they may be hard to find....