mnealtx 0 #26 December 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHey if the SA was really into conservative values.. they would accept that werewolves.. vampires.. and witches were real. They certainly burned enough people over the centuries for being those things. Its part of the values of the church. Yes, all those burnings since the 1860's....just terrible. Most of the rituals.. and teachings are far far older... the history of most of the christian churces is shall we say rather toasty for those who did follow what the particular church in power at any given time? QuoteWhy are you at your current location??? Church based bullshit ... where one group of religious fanatics can't tolerate their neighbors who do not pray the same way. So, you can show how the Booths or their organization were involved with any of that, yes? You know, something that would equate a Methodist mission to the witch hunts of centuries prior?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #27 December 11, 2010 I don't see what the problem is other than some guy doesn't agree with how the SA goes about what it is doing. The SA can give anything they want. I'm hoping for a petite, blond, blue-eyed coed. SA's business, not his. Just another case of some busy-body getting his panties in a wad over somebody else's business. I can see that guy standing at your front door waiting for the SA to deliver and blocking the unloading because it has a particular toy in it. Guy: "You can't give that toy to that man's son!" Kid's father: Who the fuck is THIS guy? SA Worker: I dunno. I think he crawled out of the sewer. And before anyone goes off on a tangent: The SA can offer anything they want...it's THEIR decision. It's also the father's decision to accept or reject the offering.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #28 December 11, 2010 QuoteI don't see what the problem is other than some guy doesn't agree with how the SA goes about what it is doing. The SA can give anything they want. I'm hoping for a petite, blond, blue-eyed coed. SA's business, not his. Just another case of some busy-body getting his panties in a wad over somebody else's business. I can see that guy standing at your front door waiting for the SA to deliver and blocking the unloading because it has a particular toy in it. Guy: "You can't give that toy to that man's son!" Kid's father: Who the fuck is THIS guy? SA Worker: I dunno. I think he crawled out of the sewer. And before anyone goes off on a tangent: The SA can offer anything they want...it's THEIR decision. It's also the father's decision to accept or reject the offering. I think you have it wrong. This guys problem is that SA is throwing donated toys in the trash rather than give them away because they thing the toys' message is wrong. Dude isn't trying to stop SA from giving anything away. He is saying they should give away what is given to them for that express purpose. "OPEN YOUR WALLET AND BUY A TOY FOR US TO GIVE AWAY! WE WILL PASS IT THROUGH OUR CHRISTIAN PURITY FILTERS AND IF IT PASSES IT WILL MAKE AN UNDERPRIVILEGED BOY OR GIRL HAPPY ON CHRISTMAS MORNING. Otherwise we will deposit your contribution in the landfill." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #29 December 11, 2010 QuoteThe SA can give anything they want. Of course they can. But they choose to operate very much in the public eye. That's how they get the donations that are their life-blood. And thus they subject themselves to the scrutiny of that public eye. That includes being publicly called-out for being hypocritical, or un-Christ-like, or just for being dicks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #30 December 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe SA can give anything they want. Of course they can. But they choose to operate very much in the public eye. That's how they get the donations that are their life-blood. And thus they subject themselves to the scrutiny of that public eye. That includes being publicly called-out for being hypocritical, or un-Christ-like, or just for being dicks. Sorry...They can do what ever they want...they will never be dicks no matter how much you're skeleton army tries to make them out to be... ....just a fact...jack.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #31 December 11, 2010 All you're doing is pouting and saying "Is not!!" Well, it is so. Jack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #32 December 11, 2010 QuoteAll you're doing is pouting and saying "Is not!!" Well, it is so. Jack. bullshit...the SA has done nothing wrong... you skeltons are the ones causing the "problems"Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #33 December 11, 2010 Is so. Oh, and your use of the descriptor "skeletons" (if that's what you mean) is pretty bizarre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #34 December 11, 2010 Quote Is so. Oh, and your use of the descriptor "skeletons" (if that's what you mean) is pretty bizarre. I thought you of all people here would know your history.... don't make me make a skyrider out of you....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1lVSWaafec Shut up!!! You talk too much... You talk too much... You talk too much... You talk too much... Hey! You over there, I know about your kind You're like the Independent Network News on Channel 9 Everywhere that you go, no matter where you at I said you talk about this, and you talk about that When the cat took your tongue, I say you took it right back Your mouth is so big, one bite would kill a Big Mac You talk too much You never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never shut up You talk about people, you don't even know And you talk about places, you NEVER go You talk about your girl, from head to toe I said your mouth's moving fast, and your brain's moving slow You talk too much You never shut up!! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never shut up You're the instigator, the orator of the town You're the worst when you converse, just a big mouth clown You talk when you're awake, I heard you talk when you sleep Has anyone ever told you, that talk is cheap You talk too much You never shut, up!! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! Talking is the one thing, that you can do best You told the cavity creeps, to watch out for Crest You never have the story, right and exact And then you always try to bore me, with your yakkity yak You talk too much And then you never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! Everyday you are out fighting someone in the street And you're always fighting someone you know ya can't beat Then you wonder how, you got in this mess Just think of what you said, then take a guess You talk too much You never shut up! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! You're always spreading rumors, whether bad or good You're the damn Walter Cronkite of the neighborhood The Barbara Walters, and the Howard Cosell You always come around, with a story to tell You talk too much And then you never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! Said it's everybody's business that you love to mind And talkin to you, is like dropping a dime You're spreading the word, like it is your job You should be a stool pigeon, who works for the mob You talk too much And you never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never shut up! A big blabbermouth, that's what you are If you were a talk show host, you'd be a star I said your mouth is big, size extra large And when you open it, it's like my garage You talk too much And then you never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never shut up You always like to gossip, just like a girl You talk so damn much, it's outta this world When you're reincarnated, in your second life You won't be a man, you'll be a nagging wife You talk too much Then you never shut up He said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! Twenty-five hours, eight days a week Thirteen months outta year, is when you speak I'm tired of listening to the garbage you talk Why don't you find a short pier, and take a long walk You talk too much Then you never shut up! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! You talk too much You could be, out of breath You talk too much Man you naggin me to death You talk too much Tired of hearing you speak You talk too much Eight days a week You talk too much Then you never shut up I said you talk too much Why don't you ever SHUT UP!!! You talk too much Then you never shut up! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! btw...I fuckin hate lawyers...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #35 December 11, 2010 In how many separate threads are you going to post those same stupid lyrics? Given your posting history, it's fairly ironic for you to tell others "shut up; you talk too much". And if you don't want to explain your uber-weird reference to skeletons (if that's what you meant to say), that's your choice. Anyhow: Is so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #36 December 11, 2010 Quote In how many separate threads are you going to post those same stupid lyrics? In as many that fits...many to come. Quote Given your posting history, it's fairly ironic for you to tell others "shut up; you talk too much". prove it... Quote And if you don't want to explain your uber-weird reference to skeletons (if that's what you meant to say), that's your choice. i don't have to explain it...you should already know your history hot shot... another reason I fuckin hate lawyers...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #37 December 11, 2010 Quote I think you have it wrong. Yeah, I kinda got off on a tangent. First two paragraphs apply but then the last 3 were a pet peeve idea. I should have put in a separator between the two thoughts. Maybe the SA should let their "filters" be known up front. Potter = Not good Guns = Good to go Onward Christian soldiers! I wonder if they would get upset with a donation of a box of tampons.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #38 December 11, 2010 You seem to be all frothed-up in spastic apologia of Christo-fascism. May I suggest a nap? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #39 December 11, 2010 QuoteSorry...They can do what ever they want. Technicaly true, but it doesn't mean they're immune to operating with an element of dickishness. The toys they're throwing away for ideological reasons were given to them, in good faith, by people who thought the SA was the best route to get those toys to kids who wouldn't otherwise get any. In many cases people would have spent money on the toys for that specific purpose. By instead throwing them away the SA has broken the trust put in them by the donors. Is it a big deal compared to the volume they do distribute? I doubt it, but it's still a bit of a poor show.# Quotethey will never be dicks no matter how much you're skeleton army tries to make them out to be... Have you been getting high in front of Evil Dead III again?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davjohns 1 #40 December 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote"I was told to withhold a six-inch Harry Potter figure, but when I picked up a plastic M-16, I was told, 'That's for the 10-year-olds,'" he said. "I was shocked...war-themed toys and toys from TV shows and movies with far more violence than Harry Potter and these were considered appropriate toys?" The comparison is just an example of HIS bias as well - hypocrit - So it's ok for him to determine what's "appropriate" but not ok for the SA. so he and the Salvation Army are both out of line - maybe the parents can decide what kind of toys their kids can have - what a radical idea I suspect that it was more that he found the SA to be hypocritical for using what he perceived as a double-standard by an organization holding itself out as exemplifying Christian principles - i.e., for not asking themselves "WWJD" and, on that basis, ALSO rejecting toys based on weapons. Whoa! WWJD? Reject the weapons? Try again, pardner. Read the book. He DIRECTED his followers to buy weapons and even inspected them at one point. I don't care about the toys. My children could always tell the difference between reality and fiction just fine. It just jumped out at me when someone attributed attitudes to Rabbi Yeshua that are in direct contrast with his reported actions and words.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #41 December 11, 2010 I don't profess to be a theologian, but I think a reasonable case can be made for the proposition that, on balance, Jesus was essentially a pacifist and urged civilized people to renounce violence outside the scope of self-defense. There's plenty of ammo (oops!) in the Bible to support just about any proposition, I suppose. Here are the thoughts of one writer (not a theologian) on the issue that seem to be a reasonable stepping-off of the discussion: http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2009/12/was-jesus-a-pacifist.html Oh, BTW, I think a reasonable argument can also be made that Jesus abhorred hypocrisy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #42 December 11, 2010 Can't stand Harry Potter, as for Twighlight LOLAs for the Sally Army, well it doesn't suprise me in the slightest. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #43 December 11, 2010 Quote >sorry, not feeling it dude. But it's a WAR ON CHRISTMAS! A WAR! On CHRISTMAS! If you don't get outraged enough, a lot of hardworking mainstream media pundits are going to have a hard time staying on the air. Actually Bill its a religious war... in factBut it's a WAR Jihad ON CHRISTMAS! A WAR Jihad! On CHRISTMAS! If you don't get outraged enough, a lot of hardworking mainstream media pundits are going to have a hard time staying on the air. There that should do itWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #44 December 11, 2010 QuoteWhoa! WWJD? Reject the weapons? Try again, pardner. Read the book. He DIRECTED his followers to buy weapons and even inspected them at one point. Every one knows if Jesus were alive to day he would be armed to the teeth and living in some compound in Idaho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #45 December 11, 2010 He isn't? Then who the hell is that that just picked up the keys to the armoury?...When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #46 December 11, 2010 Impliedly, the toy M-16s mean they don't have toy AK-47s, which is a deliberate slap at Moozlims. So racist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #47 December 11, 2010 Quote Impliedly, the toy M-16s mean they don't have toy AK-47s, which is a deliberate slap at Moozlims. So racist. *** You've been in damned rare form lately, Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #48 December 11, 2010 The rest of that story: QuoteThe Sally Ann refuses to distribute the Twilight and Harry Potter toys because of their wizardry, vampire and werewolf content, said Capt. Pam Goodyear. "The Salvation Army is based on Christian principles, so these things are not in line with those," said Goodyear. But she said the charity delivers those toys to other agencies that then distribute them. "They're distributed in another manner where parents can choose," she said, though she couldn't name any of those other agencies. And she said it has been Sally Ann policy not to distribute war toys like plastic guns, though many of those decisions are made by the local ministry unit operating the warehouse. Goodyear said the charity should inform donors which toys it chooses not to distribute. "There are always learning opportunities," she said. "But in my 20 years with the Salvation Army, this has never been an issue," she said. Emphasis mine, and perhaps the main point in this story. Anyhow, when I donate toys to a toy drive, I try to pick pretty "neutral" things. And even a heathen like me knows that there is controversy around Harry Potter and Twilight, so I probably wouldn't choose those toys. Or toy guns. (Unless requested. The toy drive that we usually give to is local and a little more personal, where the kids/parents do get to make requests.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #49 December 11, 2010 I think the person up-thread made a decent point: when people buy a toy to donate, they expect it will ultimately reach a kid, and not be thrown out. Thus, the SA should re-donate toys that they object to on ideological grounds, rather than throwing them out. I think if I learned that the toy I spent money on got thrown out, I'd really resent it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Abedy 0 #50 December 11, 2010 I do not really like the Harry Potter stuff nor do I like the "Moonlight" stuff (Christopher Lee, that's what I call a vampire or maybe "Angel" - now Agent Booth, huhuh...) But what I find disgusting is the Salvation Army asks for toys to give away to needy families and then throws away items that do not go with their "Christian Values" rather than giving it to other charities and, if I understood correctly, without telling donators about the "no witchcraft, no vampires" filter policy. And yeah, giving away model rifles to 10-year-old kids is just perfect. I wonder whether these guys would appreciate "pre-military education" starting with grade 9 (age 15+) including firing "baby Kalashnikows"? See: clicky The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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popsjumper 2 #27 December 11, 2010 I don't see what the problem is other than some guy doesn't agree with how the SA goes about what it is doing. The SA can give anything they want. I'm hoping for a petite, blond, blue-eyed coed. SA's business, not his. Just another case of some busy-body getting his panties in a wad over somebody else's business. I can see that guy standing at your front door waiting for the SA to deliver and blocking the unloading because it has a particular toy in it. Guy: "You can't give that toy to that man's son!" Kid's father: Who the fuck is THIS guy? SA Worker: I dunno. I think he crawled out of the sewer. And before anyone goes off on a tangent: The SA can offer anything they want...it's THEIR decision. It's also the father's decision to accept or reject the offering.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #28 December 11, 2010 QuoteI don't see what the problem is other than some guy doesn't agree with how the SA goes about what it is doing. The SA can give anything they want. I'm hoping for a petite, blond, blue-eyed coed. SA's business, not his. Just another case of some busy-body getting his panties in a wad over somebody else's business. I can see that guy standing at your front door waiting for the SA to deliver and blocking the unloading because it has a particular toy in it. Guy: "You can't give that toy to that man's son!" Kid's father: Who the fuck is THIS guy? SA Worker: I dunno. I think he crawled out of the sewer. And before anyone goes off on a tangent: The SA can offer anything they want...it's THEIR decision. It's also the father's decision to accept or reject the offering. I think you have it wrong. This guys problem is that SA is throwing donated toys in the trash rather than give them away because they thing the toys' message is wrong. Dude isn't trying to stop SA from giving anything away. He is saying they should give away what is given to them for that express purpose. "OPEN YOUR WALLET AND BUY A TOY FOR US TO GIVE AWAY! WE WILL PASS IT THROUGH OUR CHRISTIAN PURITY FILTERS AND IF IT PASSES IT WILL MAKE AN UNDERPRIVILEGED BOY OR GIRL HAPPY ON CHRISTMAS MORNING. Otherwise we will deposit your contribution in the landfill." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #29 December 11, 2010 QuoteThe SA can give anything they want. Of course they can. But they choose to operate very much in the public eye. That's how they get the donations that are their life-blood. And thus they subject themselves to the scrutiny of that public eye. That includes being publicly called-out for being hypocritical, or un-Christ-like, or just for being dicks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #30 December 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe SA can give anything they want. Of course they can. But they choose to operate very much in the public eye. That's how they get the donations that are their life-blood. And thus they subject themselves to the scrutiny of that public eye. That includes being publicly called-out for being hypocritical, or un-Christ-like, or just for being dicks. Sorry...They can do what ever they want...they will never be dicks no matter how much you're skeleton army tries to make them out to be... ....just a fact...jack.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #31 December 11, 2010 All you're doing is pouting and saying "Is not!!" Well, it is so. Jack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #32 December 11, 2010 QuoteAll you're doing is pouting and saying "Is not!!" Well, it is so. Jack. bullshit...the SA has done nothing wrong... you skeltons are the ones causing the "problems"Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #33 December 11, 2010 Is so. Oh, and your use of the descriptor "skeletons" (if that's what you mean) is pretty bizarre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #34 December 11, 2010 Quote Is so. Oh, and your use of the descriptor "skeletons" (if that's what you mean) is pretty bizarre. I thought you of all people here would know your history.... don't make me make a skyrider out of you....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1lVSWaafec Shut up!!! You talk too much... You talk too much... You talk too much... You talk too much... Hey! You over there, I know about your kind You're like the Independent Network News on Channel 9 Everywhere that you go, no matter where you at I said you talk about this, and you talk about that When the cat took your tongue, I say you took it right back Your mouth is so big, one bite would kill a Big Mac You talk too much You never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never shut up You talk about people, you don't even know And you talk about places, you NEVER go You talk about your girl, from head to toe I said your mouth's moving fast, and your brain's moving slow You talk too much You never shut up!! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never shut up You're the instigator, the orator of the town You're the worst when you converse, just a big mouth clown You talk when you're awake, I heard you talk when you sleep Has anyone ever told you, that talk is cheap You talk too much You never shut, up!! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! Talking is the one thing, that you can do best You told the cavity creeps, to watch out for Crest You never have the story, right and exact And then you always try to bore me, with your yakkity yak You talk too much And then you never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! Everyday you are out fighting someone in the street And you're always fighting someone you know ya can't beat Then you wonder how, you got in this mess Just think of what you said, then take a guess You talk too much You never shut up! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! You're always spreading rumors, whether bad or good You're the damn Walter Cronkite of the neighborhood The Barbara Walters, and the Howard Cosell You always come around, with a story to tell You talk too much And then you never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! Said it's everybody's business that you love to mind And talkin to you, is like dropping a dime You're spreading the word, like it is your job You should be a stool pigeon, who works for the mob You talk too much And you never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never shut up! A big blabbermouth, that's what you are If you were a talk show host, you'd be a star I said your mouth is big, size extra large And when you open it, it's like my garage You talk too much And then you never shut up I said you talk too much Homeboy you never shut up You always like to gossip, just like a girl You talk so damn much, it's outta this world When you're reincarnated, in your second life You won't be a man, you'll be a nagging wife You talk too much Then you never shut up He said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! Twenty-five hours, eight days a week Thirteen months outta year, is when you speak I'm tired of listening to the garbage you talk Why don't you find a short pier, and take a long walk You talk too much Then you never shut up! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! You talk too much You could be, out of breath You talk too much Man you naggin me to death You talk too much Tired of hearing you speak You talk too much Eight days a week You talk too much Then you never shut up I said you talk too much Why don't you ever SHUT UP!!! You talk too much Then you never shut up! I said you talk too much Homeboy you never SHUT UP!!! btw...I fuckin hate lawyers...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #35 December 11, 2010 In how many separate threads are you going to post those same stupid lyrics? Given your posting history, it's fairly ironic for you to tell others "shut up; you talk too much". And if you don't want to explain your uber-weird reference to skeletons (if that's what you meant to say), that's your choice. Anyhow: Is so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #36 December 11, 2010 Quote In how many separate threads are you going to post those same stupid lyrics? In as many that fits...many to come. Quote Given your posting history, it's fairly ironic for you to tell others "shut up; you talk too much". prove it... Quote And if you don't want to explain your uber-weird reference to skeletons (if that's what you meant to say), that's your choice. i don't have to explain it...you should already know your history hot shot... another reason I fuckin hate lawyers...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #37 December 11, 2010 Quote I think you have it wrong. Yeah, I kinda got off on a tangent. First two paragraphs apply but then the last 3 were a pet peeve idea. I should have put in a separator between the two thoughts. Maybe the SA should let their "filters" be known up front. Potter = Not good Guns = Good to go Onward Christian soldiers! I wonder if they would get upset with a donation of a box of tampons.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #38 December 11, 2010 You seem to be all frothed-up in spastic apologia of Christo-fascism. May I suggest a nap? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #39 December 11, 2010 QuoteSorry...They can do what ever they want. Technicaly true, but it doesn't mean they're immune to operating with an element of dickishness. The toys they're throwing away for ideological reasons were given to them, in good faith, by people who thought the SA was the best route to get those toys to kids who wouldn't otherwise get any. In many cases people would have spent money on the toys for that specific purpose. By instead throwing them away the SA has broken the trust put in them by the donors. Is it a big deal compared to the volume they do distribute? I doubt it, but it's still a bit of a poor show.# Quotethey will never be dicks no matter how much you're skeleton army tries to make them out to be... Have you been getting high in front of Evil Dead III again?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #40 December 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote"I was told to withhold a six-inch Harry Potter figure, but when I picked up a plastic M-16, I was told, 'That's for the 10-year-olds,'" he said. "I was shocked...war-themed toys and toys from TV shows and movies with far more violence than Harry Potter and these were considered appropriate toys?" The comparison is just an example of HIS bias as well - hypocrit - So it's ok for him to determine what's "appropriate" but not ok for the SA. so he and the Salvation Army are both out of line - maybe the parents can decide what kind of toys their kids can have - what a radical idea I suspect that it was more that he found the SA to be hypocritical for using what he perceived as a double-standard by an organization holding itself out as exemplifying Christian principles - i.e., for not asking themselves "WWJD" and, on that basis, ALSO rejecting toys based on weapons. Whoa! WWJD? Reject the weapons? Try again, pardner. Read the book. He DIRECTED his followers to buy weapons and even inspected them at one point. I don't care about the toys. My children could always tell the difference between reality and fiction just fine. It just jumped out at me when someone attributed attitudes to Rabbi Yeshua that are in direct contrast with his reported actions and words.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #41 December 11, 2010 I don't profess to be a theologian, but I think a reasonable case can be made for the proposition that, on balance, Jesus was essentially a pacifist and urged civilized people to renounce violence outside the scope of self-defense. There's plenty of ammo (oops!) in the Bible to support just about any proposition, I suppose. Here are the thoughts of one writer (not a theologian) on the issue that seem to be a reasonable stepping-off of the discussion: http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2009/12/was-jesus-a-pacifist.html Oh, BTW, I think a reasonable argument can also be made that Jesus abhorred hypocrisy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #42 December 11, 2010 Can't stand Harry Potter, as for Twighlight LOLAs for the Sally Army, well it doesn't suprise me in the slightest. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #43 December 11, 2010 Quote >sorry, not feeling it dude. But it's a WAR ON CHRISTMAS! A WAR! On CHRISTMAS! If you don't get outraged enough, a lot of hardworking mainstream media pundits are going to have a hard time staying on the air. Actually Bill its a religious war... in factBut it's a WAR Jihad ON CHRISTMAS! A WAR Jihad! On CHRISTMAS! If you don't get outraged enough, a lot of hardworking mainstream media pundits are going to have a hard time staying on the air. There that should do itWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #44 December 11, 2010 QuoteWhoa! WWJD? Reject the weapons? Try again, pardner. Read the book. He DIRECTED his followers to buy weapons and even inspected them at one point. Every one knows if Jesus were alive to day he would be armed to the teeth and living in some compound in Idaho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #45 December 11, 2010 He isn't? Then who the hell is that that just picked up the keys to the armoury?...When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #46 December 11, 2010 Impliedly, the toy M-16s mean they don't have toy AK-47s, which is a deliberate slap at Moozlims. So racist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #47 December 11, 2010 Quote Impliedly, the toy M-16s mean they don't have toy AK-47s, which is a deliberate slap at Moozlims. So racist. *** You've been in damned rare form lately, Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #48 December 11, 2010 The rest of that story: QuoteThe Sally Ann refuses to distribute the Twilight and Harry Potter toys because of their wizardry, vampire and werewolf content, said Capt. Pam Goodyear. "The Salvation Army is based on Christian principles, so these things are not in line with those," said Goodyear. But she said the charity delivers those toys to other agencies that then distribute them. "They're distributed in another manner where parents can choose," she said, though she couldn't name any of those other agencies. And she said it has been Sally Ann policy not to distribute war toys like plastic guns, though many of those decisions are made by the local ministry unit operating the warehouse. Goodyear said the charity should inform donors which toys it chooses not to distribute. "There are always learning opportunities," she said. "But in my 20 years with the Salvation Army, this has never been an issue," she said. Emphasis mine, and perhaps the main point in this story. Anyhow, when I donate toys to a toy drive, I try to pick pretty "neutral" things. And even a heathen like me knows that there is controversy around Harry Potter and Twilight, so I probably wouldn't choose those toys. Or toy guns. (Unless requested. The toy drive that we usually give to is local and a little more personal, where the kids/parents do get to make requests.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #49 December 11, 2010 I think the person up-thread made a decent point: when people buy a toy to donate, they expect it will ultimately reach a kid, and not be thrown out. Thus, the SA should re-donate toys that they object to on ideological grounds, rather than throwing them out. I think if I learned that the toy I spent money on got thrown out, I'd really resent it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #50 December 11, 2010 I do not really like the Harry Potter stuff nor do I like the "Moonlight" stuff (Christopher Lee, that's what I call a vampire or maybe "Angel" - now Agent Booth, huhuh...) But what I find disgusting is the Salvation Army asks for toys to give away to needy families and then throws away items that do not go with their "Christian Values" rather than giving it to other charities and, if I understood correctly, without telling donators about the "no witchcraft, no vampires" filter policy. And yeah, giving away model rifles to 10-year-old kids is just perfect. I wonder whether these guys would appreciate "pre-military education" starting with grade 9 (age 15+) including firing "baby Kalashnikows"? See: clicky The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
