wayneflorida 0 #1 December 8, 2010 Children Taught How To Evade Bullets Fired From Drug Cartels In Mexico http://blog.eyeblast.tv/2010/12/children-taught-how-to-evade-bullets-fired-from-drug-cartels-in-mexico/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #2 December 8, 2010 One way to end that part of their 'learning'... people in this country quit using the shit cartels are selling. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #3 December 8, 2010 Gosh, that brings back great memories of the Cold War and nuclear attack drills in school. Ah, to be young again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 December 8, 2010 Yeah, and if the school system would quit paying those teachers bonuses, then the drug cartel extortionists wouldn't be able to threaten them to turn over their bonus checks. That'll teach those violent drug runners a lesson! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #5 December 8, 2010 Sometimes, it meant getting a 'free shot' off the girl in the desk behind you!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #6 December 9, 2010 Quote Sometimes, it meant getting a 'free shot' off the girl in the desk behind you!Chuck I wonder what the probability figures would be between the Nuclear vs Cartel actually is.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airgump 1 #7 December 9, 2010 maybe, enforce our borders? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #8 December 9, 2010 Quote Quote Sometimes, it meant getting a 'free shot' off the girl in the desk behind you!Chuck I wonder what the probability figures would be between the Nuclear vs Cartel actually is. Hmmm... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #9 December 9, 2010 That too! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #10 December 9, 2010 Quote One way to end that part of their 'learning'... people in this country quit using the shit cartels are selling. Chuck Nope Over here, the belief is it's the drug laws, not the recreational users, that are causing demand._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #11 December 9, 2010 Quote Quote One way to end that part of their 'learning'... people in this country quit using the shit cartels are selling. Nope Over here, the belief is it's the drug laws, not the recreational users, that are causing demand. The laws don't create the demand; the demand is already there. The laws assure that criminals will be the main suppliers. Prohibition was the greatest thing to happen to organized crime in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #12 December 9, 2010 Quote Quote One way to end that part of their 'learning'... people in this country quit using the shit cartels are selling. Chuck Nope Over here, the belief is it's the drug laws, not the recreational users, that are causing demand. Drugs are a multi-billion dollar business and I don't know of any laws that created it. It's the demand by not just those good ol' 'recreational users' but addicts, as well. The violence in Mexico is due to cartels trying to gain control of drug routes into the U.S. The cartels don't care about anything but making more money. They use violence to intimidate and if it means shooting at a school house, they don't care. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #13 December 9, 2010 QuoteThe laws don't create the demand; the demand is already there. Exactly. that was what I was poking fun at. Laws may assist in increasing the violence, but the fact is, people just not using the stuff in the first place would cease the need to have those laws. From reading of many of the posts here, some would rather exercise their right to do what they want with their body "as long as it doesn't affect others". They are partaking in a past-time that causes lives and discontent to supply it for them. But they would rather exercise their rights or self-indulge rather than do the responsible thing. Total douchbaggery in my mind._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #14 December 9, 2010 >From reading of many of the posts here, some would rather exercise their > right to do what they want with their body "as long as it doesn't affect >others". They are partaking in a past-time that causes lives and >discontent to supply it for them. But they would rather exercise their >rights or self-indulge rather than do the responsible thing. Out here many are doing so without causing violence or discontent, which indicates that the desire to indulge itself is not an issue. Under the medical marijuana laws, people can grow and sell their own marijuana without any death, violence or lawbreaking. Not a bad model, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSessom 0 #15 December 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe laws don't create the demand; the demand is already there. Exactly. that was what I was poking fun at. Laws may assist in increasing the violence, but the fact is, people just not using the stuff in the first place would cease the need to have those laws. From reading of many of the posts here, some would rather exercise their right to do what they want with their body "as long as it doesn't affect others". They are partaking in a past-time that causes lives and discontent to supply it for them. But they would rather exercise their rights or self-indulge rather than do the responsible thing. Total douchbaggery in my mind. But that's unrealitic, isn't it? People throughout history have ingested mood altering/mind altering substances. Beer, wine, hemp, tobacco, coca, etc. It seems to me that some humans inherently will always seek and use these substances. I don't know about you, but I know plenty of people who drink and/or use substances resposibly. Then again, I have arrested plenty that didn't. It seems to me that focusing more on treatment and education would be more productive that arresting people and throwing them in jail. Do you know how our current marijuana and narcotics laws came about? And why is it that alcohol and tobacco are legal, when they are among the most addictive drugs to consume? Seems a bit odd doesn't it? It really has more to do with revenues than morals. For example, marijuana was prefectly legal until prohibition was overturned, and the Feds needed something else to demonize to keep their jobs, so they attacked marijuana. It wasn't that there was a public outcry to make it illegal. In fact, most people at the time had never heard of it. But Mexican immigrants used it, and so it was an easy target in the 1930s. Anyway, "people just not using the stuff in the first place" will never happen, and it's not a moral decision, it's just human nature.-NooB- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #16 December 9, 2010 Anyone that remembers doing "duck and cover " drills, just gave away your age! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #17 December 9, 2010 QuoteThe laws don't create the demand; the demand is already there. The laws assure that criminals will be the main suppliers. Prohibition was the greatest thing to happen to organized crime in the US. Organized crime is involved with black market tobacco. If you don't want crime involved, you have to ensure there is no black market. This means it will have to be legal for all ages and not heavily taxed. I want to see the first politician standing up for low cost meth and crack in JK!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 December 9, 2010 Quote maybe, enforce our borders? Gee that would be a whole lot easier if we were not off doing that for everyone else Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 December 9, 2010 Quote Anyone that remembers doing "duck and cover " drills, just gave away your age! I remember them from the late 50' and early 60'sYup and it was even more pointless on a SAC base in the 1970's. I mean really ... come on.. you want me to go to the "shelter" in the basement of the chow hall that is sitting 200 yards from one of the largest nuclear weapons stashes in CONUS that is a primary Soviet Target under ANY and all battle scenarios.AS IF the Soviets did not have a couple 5+ megaton devices on the way under any counterforce strategy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #20 December 9, 2010 >I mean really ... come on.. you want me to go to the "shelter" in >the basement of the chow hall that is sitting 200 yards from one of the >largest nuclear weapons stashes in CONUS Well, it will give you something to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 December 9, 2010 Quote >I mean really ... come on.. you want me to go to the "shelter" in >the basement of the chow hall that is sitting 200 yards from one of the >largest nuclear weapons stashes in CONUS Well, it will give you something to do. Dude...you're talking about AMAZON.... she'd be on top of the chow hall with a shotgun, yelling "Pull!" as the warheads came in... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 December 9, 2010 Quote Quote >I mean really ... come on.. you want me to go to the "shelter" in >the basement of the chow hall that is sitting 200 yards from one of the >largest nuclear weapons stashes in CONUS Well, it will give you something to do. Dude...you're talking about AMAZON.... she'd be on top of the chow hall with a shotgun, yelling "Pull!" as the warheads came in... Do you have ANY idea how tweaky the SAC SP's got when you make a big BANG anywhere near their airplanes they were counting rivets on??? Just take one shot at a $100 dollar coyote pelt on the hoof outside the alert fence where the B-52's were sittin on the other side of the fence and they TOTALLY freaked outNOOOOOO sence of humor at all. ( Actually he was a big one with a VERY nice winter coat and I got $125 the next spring at the annual Spokane shindig for that) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #23 December 10, 2010 QuoteOut here many are doing so without causing violence or discontent, which indicates that the desire to indulge itself is not an issue. Under the medical marijuana laws, people can grow and sell their own marijuana without any death, violence or lawbreaking. Not a bad model, eh? Well. . .a perfect model for medical MJ. It won't work with other drugs unless it is globally legalized. As it is, there is abuse to our MJ laws and is the bigger reason why LA county, for one, is decreasing the amount of shops. But there is a demand here caused by users that are not prescription holders. The cartels grow illegally here and also traffic from across the border to meet it. these users are definitely not doing the MJ patients a good service. legalizing it here won't help Mexico's crime and will cause higher Cartel involvement in this state as the barrier will be put within the continental U.S. It is essentially increasing the 150 mile porous barrier of SoCal/Mexico borders to an extrememly porous barrier the lenght of the perimeter of the state of CA ._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #24 December 10, 2010 Quote One way to end that part of their 'learning'... people in this country quit using the shit cartels are selling. Chuck Or we could apply the lesson we learned from alcohol prohibition and repeal the laws we've passed making street drugs illegal. With no profits the dealers won't have anything to fight over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #25 December 10, 2010 QuoteBut that's unrealitic, isn't it? It's extremely unrealistic. The point was to drive the fact they care more for themselves than the harm they are contributing to. QuoteIt seems to me that focusing more on treatment and education would be more productive that arresting people and throwing them in jail. I agree here. It's the only way to decrease demand. Everything else is about the flow of supply. QuoteDo you know how our current marijuana and narcotics laws came about? MJ? Pretty vague. Not much public info that supported illegalization to today's acceptance, but there are a lot of popular conspiracy theories. Other drugs? Just like anythinge else. the users became "other peoples' problems". Quotepeople just not using the stuff in the first place" will never happen, True. Will never happen. Just as long as they know that they are responsible, even more responsible for those victims than are the laws that were put in place._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
