US Judge Throws Out ACLU Suit for al-Awlaki

[Guest]

Good call by the Feds. The American Criminal Liberties Union had sued to force the Feds to explain the rationale for placing al-Awlaki on the "capture or kill" list.

"US District Judge John Bates said the plaintiff lacked legal standing to bring the case."

Go get 'em guys. Make the fucker pay - preferably with his life, as in "Fuck him, and everyone near him".

Note: I'm uncertain as to whether this POS has had his citizenship revoked. I hope so.

Story via BBC

See also CNN

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[kelpdiver 2]

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Good call by the Feds. The American Criminal Liberties Union had sued to force the Feds to explain the rationale for placing al-Awlaki on the "capture or kill" list.

"US District Judge John Bates said the plaintiff lacked legal standing to bring the case."

this is good? So the only person with standing to seek redress in court will be shot on sight?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

I would guess he could surrender if he chose to. All he has to do is call up the media, and show up at an American Embassy willing to surrender peacefully.

But I don't see that happening.

He has made a public call for his followers (and there are a lot of those) to kill any Americans.

He has been linked (although not proven or convicted of anything) to both the "Underwear Bomber" and the Ft Hood shootings.

I would agree that he represents a pretty clear danger to the US. As long as he is in a foreign country, calling for and participating in attacks against the US, he's going to be a target.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Andy9o8 3]

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Good call by the Feds. The American Criminal Liberties Union had sued to force the Feds to explain the rationale for placing al-Awlaki on the "capture or kill" list.

"US District Judge John Bates said the plaintiff lacked legal standing to bring the case."

this is good? So the only person with standing to seek redress in court will be shot on sight?

Yes; but it's more than that.
The suspect's father tried to get a lawyer to file a lawsuit on the suspect's behalf (since, yes, the suspect is the only one with standing to sue), but has temporarily been legally thwarted. How? Well, the US government has invoked a law (IMO, an unconstitutional one) that makes it unlawful for any lawyer or law firm to represent the suspect's interests (in court or otherwise) since the US government has now formally deemed him a "specially designated global terrorist" - unless that lawyer/law firm is first granted a special "license" issued by ..... oh, guess who?

Fox, meet Henhouse.
How does that square with one's sense of constitutional rule of law?

[racerman 0]

Let's make sure these fuckers rights aren't abused while they continue to decapitate people on TV or torture women and children. The only people that have rights guaranteed by the Constitution are US citizens. We are at WAR people. A WAR declared against ALL Americans by the Muslim Nation. The excuse that it's only radical muslims is akin to saying it was only the Gestapo/hard line Nazis that perpetuated genocide. Make no mistake about, there will be another 9/11 as long as bleeding heart liberals continue to defend the so called rights of these crimminals. Who was defending the rights to over 3,000 american citizens when these fuckers declared war and flew planes into the Towers/Pentagon and a field in Pennslyvania?

[Skyrad 0]

'the Muslim Nation' Isn't that a punk band? Sounds like someone forgot to take their medication today

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[billvon 3,132]

>The only people that have rights guaranteed by the Constitution are
>US citizens.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

People, not citizens.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

People, not citizens.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

People, not citizens.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Person, not citizen.

>Make no mistake about, there will be another 9/11 as long as bleeding
>heart liberals continue to defend the so called rights of these
>crimminals.

"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."

[Andy9o8 3]

What Bill said; except I probably would have been quite rude about it.

[Gravitymaster 0]

"We the People of the United States" means citizens of the United States. Not citizens of Europe, Africa, China etc.

[billvon 3,132]

>"We the People of the United States" means citizens of the United States.

Words mean things. People means people. Citizens means citizens. The Founding Fathers really weren't stupid, and conservatives really don't know better than they did.

And yes, there is a difference:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

[kelpdiver 2]

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Let's make sure these fuckers rights aren't abused while they continue to decapitate people on TV or torture women and children. The only people that have rights guaranteed by the Constitution are US citizens. We are at WAR people.

But even when we're at war, we still have courts and a sense of justice. Only in the most extreme of situations have we suspended civil rights.

The issue of state secrets might be a valid issue in a hearing for a kill on sight order. Troubling, but justifiable. But they didn't even wait to trial to dodge here.

What if they named the wrong guy here?

[Gravitymaster 0]

I agree, words mean things and "We the People of the United States" means the citizens of the United States.

Definition of People:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/people

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the body of enfranchised citizens of a state: representatives chosen by the people.

Would you like a loupe to help split that hair?

[billvon 3,132]

>Would you like a loupe to help split that hair?

No hair splitting needed, just the basic reading skills to read the US Constitution. (I know, I know, it's old and doesn't say what you want it to - but it's still a worthwhile document to read,)

[Unstable 9]

Well, one more Loss for the ACLU. I think they started on good foundations, but all I've seen come from them in the last 10 years is absolute shit.

=========Shaun ==========

[antonija 0]

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"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."

.. and will lose both. Ben Franklin

I understand the need for conformity. Without a concise set of rules to follow we would probably all have to resort to common sense. -David Thorne

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>Would you like a loupe to help split that hair?

No hair splitting needed, just the basic reading skills to read the US Constitution. (I know, I know, it's old and doesn't say what you want it to - but it's still a worthwhile document to read,)

Funny, I was thinking the same thing. I guess it's sort of like the definition of "is", huh? Sure you don't need that loupe?

[Andy9o8 3]

The vast majority of the rights and protections under the US Constitution apply to anyone subject to US jurisdiction, without regard to citizenship. It's already been gone over by courts a zillion times. This is basic constitutional law 101.

[Gravitymaster 0]

In this case, I agree. Apparently, this guy is a US Citizen. I think the first step would be to revoke his citizenship through due process and then treat him as an enemy of the State.

[Andy9o8 3]

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In this case, I agree. Apparently, this guy is a US Citizen. I think the first step would be to revoke his citizenship through due process and then treat him as an enemy of the State.

Not impossible, but unlikely. Here's an article addressing exactly that issue re: this guy:

http://articles.mcall.com/2010-04-22/news/all-a8_5dent.7247251apr22_1_citizenship-al-awlaki-radical-cleric

[skyrider 0]

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>Would you like a loupe to help split that hair?

No hair splitting needed, just the basic reading skills to read the US Constitution. (I know, I know, it's old and doesn't say what you want it to - but it's still a worthwhile document to read,)

Yes, true, and I suggest you work on those skills.

"We the People of the United States"

[kelpdiver 2]

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>Would you like a loupe to help split that hair?

No hair splitting needed, just the basic reading skills to read the US Constitution. (I know, I know, it's old and doesn't say what you want it to - but it's still a worthwhile document to read,)

Yes, true, and I suggest you work on those skills.

"We the People of the United States"

"do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

doesn't say a thing about excluding non citizens. Andy addressed this hours ago - you certainly had a chance to read it and reply.

[billvon 3,132]

>Yes, true, and I suggest you work on those skills.Wink
>"We the People of the United States"

Yep. Note it does not say "We the Citizens of the United States." Which is why the Constitution covers everyone here, not just citizens.

[skyrider 0]

This sounds much like argueing the wording in the bible... On yoru side, yoru saying every Illegal that comes here has the same right as an American citizen..

On the upside a crimminal is still open game, Good Luck to the hunters!

[billvon 3,132]

>On yoru side, yoru saying every Illegal that comes here has the
>same right as an American citizen.

Yes. They have the right to justice, which in their case means either being deported or being put on trial for violating the law.

To put it another way, you don't have any additional "rights" to violate US laws just because you're a citizen.

>On the upside a crimminal is still open game

Nope. They have the same rights to a trial.

[skyrider 0]

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>On yoru side, yoru saying every Illegal that comes here has the
>same right as an American citizen.

Yes. They have the right to justice, which in their case means either being deported or being put on trial for violating the law.

To put it another way, you don't have any additional "rights" to violate US laws just because you're a citizen.

>On the upside a crimminal is still open game

Nope. They have the same rights to a trial.

Not this guy...and in this case, I like that...He is a enemy of the US , the same as any ememy combatant, he is a target...(Although I would have thought he would be tried and found guilty of treason "first"...that part seems Od)