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[Andy9o8 2]

ha ha i posted b 4 u.

[billvon 3,116]

>C'mon your point is moot. It is a job choice. Same as choosing to be a law
>enforcement officer. Cops are ordered to kill also.

Occasionally, yes. Which means that if either chooses to take a job where they will have to kill - and then they do have to kill, because of that voluntary decision - they have gone directly against the teachings of Jesus, and will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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>C'mon your point is moot. It is a job choice. Same as choosing to be a law
>enforcement officer. Cops are ordered to kill also.

Occasionally, yes. Which means that if either chooses to take a job where they will have to kill - and then they do have to kill, because of that voluntary decision - they have gone directly against the teachings of Jesus, and will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Torah makes no mention of any "heaven" or "hell." If Moshe could work with those terms, I think I can too.

[matthewcline 0]

Dag nab it!

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[RonD1120 62]

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You must remember it is all a new deal after His sacrificial and atoning death on the cross and subsequent resurrection.

In that case, I'd like some scriptural references from the new testament that mention JC's views on homosexuality, please.

http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/?action=getCommentaryText&cid=53&source=2&seq=i.52.1.5

Romans 1:

Commentary as follows:
"The sins of the Gentiles set forth.

In the horrid depravity of the heathen, the truth of our Lord's words was shown: to �Light was come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil; for he that doeth evil hateth the light. to � The truth was not to their taste. And we all know how soon a man will contrive, against the strongest evidence, to reason himself out of the belief of what he dislikes. But a man cannot be brought to greater slavery than to be given up to his own lusts. As

the Gentiles did not like to keep God in their knowledge, they committed crimes wholly against reason and their own welfare. The nature of man, whether pagan or Christian, is still the same; and the charges of the apostle apply more or less to the state and character of men at all times, till they are brought to full submission to the faith of Christ, and renewed by Divine power. There never yet was a man, who had not reason to lament his strong corruptions, and his secret dislike to the will

of God. Therefore this chapter is a call to self-examination, the end of which should be, a deep conviction of sin, and of the necessity of deliverance from a state of condemnation."

The following contains commentary with Scripture by a former lesbian.

http://www.gospel.com/bookmarks/Scripture-Twisting-Bible-Homosexuality-Into-Thy/3618

There is also a reference in The Revelation of Jesus Christ by John but, I can't seem to locate at the moment.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DanG 1]

Homosexuality is not mentioned in that passage.

But you already knew that. Now you're going to say that the homosexual act is the sin, as are all lustful acts.

So, if I may take your position to its logical end, homosexuals are all going to hell, but so is everyone else who has ever committed a lustful act without repentance. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And while you're at it, please explain what any of that has to do with gays serving in the military.

- Dan G

[billvon 3,116]

>>In that case, I'd like some scriptural references from the new testament
>>that mention JC's views on homosexuality, please.

>Romans 1:

Romans 1 was Paul's views on lust, not the views of Jesus on homosexuality. (And indeed Paul was condemning shameful lusts, not homosexuality per se.) Jesus is fairly mum on the topic overall.

[RonD1120 62]

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Splitting hairs here, but I have never heard of a cop being "Ordered" to kill.

Matt

Did you ever discuss this with a SWAT team sniper?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Splitting hairs here, but I have never heard of a cop being "Ordered" to kill.

Matt

Did you ever discuss this with a SWAT team sniper?

How many civilian LEO SWAT team snipers are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice?

[RonD1120 62]

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Homosexuality is not mentioned in that passage.

But you already knew that. Now you're going to say that the homosexual act is the sin, as are all lustful acts.

So, if I may take your position to its logical end, homosexuals are all going to hell, but so is everyone else who has ever committed a lustful act without repentance. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And while you're at it, please explain what any of that has to do with gays serving in the military.

Romans 1:24-32 is specific on that and other like issues.

You correct in that unrepentant lustful sin is condemning. The main focus of sin, that which violates God's plan for us, is that we choose what we want not what He wants for our lives.

Jesus' atoning death allows us to receive the gift of eternal life, if we want it.

Gays in the military? Crap, I don't know someone led me down this path. I think if you want that risky lifestyle then you ought to be allowed to openly serve in the military. Killing the declared enemy will not send you to hell. Not accepting Jesus Christ will.

Nobody changes until the pain of change is less than the pain of staying the same.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[labrys 0]

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Romans 1:

That's Paul, not JC

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The following contains commentary with Scripture by a former lesbian.

Where's JC?

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There is also a reference in The Revelation of Jesus Christ by John but, I can't seem to locate at the moment.

Come back if you find it.

Owned by Remi #?

[billvon 3,116]

>Killing the declared enemy will not send you to hell.

Hmm. So not following the teaching of Jesus doesn't send you to hell, but homosexuality will? Interesting.

[matthewcline 0]

Yes. I was going to apply for the SF PD and was looking at ultimately SWAT.

Two Snipers each told me they have NEVER been ordered to kill. They have been told they needed to have clear fields of fire, they have been told they are authorized to shoot, they have been told they may reduce the threat (I can see that as being translated to "Kill").

But neither of them had been ordered to kill.

But they don't kill for sport or fun, they do it if warranted for the over all safety of the society.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[DanG 1]

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Romans 1:24-32 is specific on that and other like issues.

I'm not seeing it in the passage you quoted. If there is something else that you chose not to quote, please add it. I don't see any mention whatsoever about homosexuality. Perhaps Jesus didn't actually address it.

- Dan G

[RonD1120 62]

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Splitting hairs here, but I have never heard of a cop being "Ordered" to kill.

Matt

Did you ever discuss this with a SWAT team sniper?

How many civilian LEO SWAT team snipers are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice?

The order to kill is the issue. SWAT team snipers are ordered to take the kill shot. It is not a personal choice. That is the point that I see.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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Yes. I was going to apply for the SF PD and was looking at ultimately SWAT.

Two Snipers each told me they have NEVER been ordered to kill. They have been told they needed to have clear fields of fire, they have been told they are authorized to shoot, they have been told they may reduce the threat (I can see that as being translated to "Kill").

But neither of them had been ordered to kill.

But they don't kill for sport or fun, they do it if warranted for the over all safety of the society.

Matt

I had 2 jumping buddies that were LEO's. One was a FDLE narcotics supervisor and the other a sniper for the Lakeland PD. They both explained the sniper job to me something like this.

The sniper is ordered into position and locks on the target. He has a spotter/communications partner on the radio to the command post. The sniper concentrates on the target. His partner will relay commands of "Red, Red, Red, Green" When the sniper hears "Green" he takes his shot. That scenario could last for hours. The sniper's professional skill is accuracy and intense focus.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[airdvr 210]

I need a shot of holy water.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[skyrider 0]

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Homosexuality is not mentioned in that passage.

But you already knew that. Now you're going to say that the homosexual act is the sin, as are all lustful acts.

So, if I may take your position to its logical end, homosexuals are all going to hell, but so is everyone else who has ever committed a lustful act without repentance. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And while you're at it, please explain what any of that has to do with gays serving in the military.

LOL, same thing I was wondering!

Only problem I see with "openly" gay military, is it goes against the whole, "Unit" mentality, all dressed the same, all haircuts identical...etc.

A flamer in uniform...Ya gotta be kidding me?

[RonD1120 62]

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Romans 1:

That's Paul, not JC

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The following contains commentary with Scripture by a former lesbian.

Where's JC?

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There is also a reference in The Revelation of Jesus Christ by John but, I can't seem to locate at the moment.

Come back if you find it.

Revelation 21:8, 27. Homosexuality has previously been defined as an abomination in Scripture.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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>Killing the declared enemy will not send you to hell.

Hmm. So not following the teaching of Jesus doesn't send you to hell, but homosexuality will? Interesting.

You are going in circles. Jesus clearly declared that He was the way to truth and eternal life. You can't get a pass without accepted Him, His atoning death and resurrection.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 3,116]

>Only problem I see with "openly" gay military, is it goes against the
>whole, "Unit" mentality, all dressed the same, all haircuts identical...etc.

Uh, women in the military don't have to have identical haircuts.

>A flamer in uniform...Ya gotta be kidding me?

Again, women with big boobs are arguably a bigger problem - but we deal with them.

[labrys 0]

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Homosexuality has previously been defined as an abomination in Scripture.

As have eating shrimp and lobster. That was my original point and you've just circled yourself right back to it.

Tell us again, please, what JC would say about eating these tasty little shellfish?

Bye.

Owned by Remi #?

[billvon 3,116]

>Jesus clearly declared that He was the way to truth and eternal life. You
>can't get a pass without accepted Him, His atoning death and resurrection.

OK. He was quite clear that killing was wrong, and that a Christian should turn the other cheek when attacked. If you do that willingly and voluntarily, it would seem to indicate that you do not accept his word.

If, on the other hand, it is possible to violate some of his expressed principles and still find your way to the truth and eternal life, then great. Soldiers, gays, police, even people who disobey their parents have a shot then.

[skyrider 0]

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>Only problem I see with "openly" gay military, is it goes against the
>whole, "Unit" mentality, all dressed the same, all haircuts identical...etc.

Uh, women in the military don't have to have identical haircuts.

>A flamer in uniform...Ya gotta be kidding me?

Again, women with big boobs are arguably a bigger problem - but we deal with them.

I've always felt woemn in the military should have identical hair styles, Or stop the rule for men..

as for big boobs??? Your joking right? that is like judging a 5'8" 160 pound Marine against a 6'8"235 pound Marine...sayiing one has more of a right to the uniform!

[RonD1120 62]

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>Only problem I see with "openly" gay military, is it goes against the
>whole, "Unit" mentality, all dressed the same, all haircuts identical...etc.

Uh, women in the military don't have to have identical haircuts.

>A flamer in uniform...Ya gotta be kidding me?

Again, women with big boobs are arguably a bigger problem - but we deal with them.

Do you remember the late 60's when "Today's action ARMY wants to join you" was the recruiting campaign? The ARMY decided that haircut regulation length was determined by whether or not you could cover it with your cap.

Black guys were looking for sizes 8 1/2 + so they could keep their Afros.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.