ACORN Workers Convicted of ELECTION FRAUD

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For all you people that claimed that ACORN workers didn't commit fraud during the 2008 presidential elections. Go Spit !!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/?test=latestnews

For the 10000000th time, please post something from a source other than Fox "News" if you're going to make a convincing point and attempt to have something other than a right-wing circle jerk.

Of course, pardon me if that was your intention.

Ahhhh...the Old , you proved me wrong, so I will blame your sorce defence...Well played...

I specifically used Huff and Puff Post .com so I could get the USUAL SUSPECTS little girl panties all twisted up.


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The "usual suspects" post , following a whine about Fox....You simply can;t make up shit this funny!

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The bottom line is this: if the same standard used to prevent ACORN from receiving federal contracts were applied to many large corporations -- Boeing, financial institutions like AIG and CitiCorp, not to speak of private military contractors like Blackwater -- they would all have been barred as federal contractors long ago.

If these organizations had been umbrellas for a number of local 501(c)(3) non-profits, then you'd be correct. Since they aren't, your comparison does not seem merited. It's like comparing the Salvation Army with Raytheon.

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But instead of being blacklisted, many of them actually received billions of taxpayer dollars to bail them out.

Yep. I think that should stop.

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ACORN has worked for decades to organize a nationwide grass roots community organization with a mission of empowering poor and moderate income people. ACORN has never been one of those outfits that seeks just to "represent" the interests of the poor. Since its inception it has been made up of poor and moderate income people themselves. Its members pay dues, elect their leadership and choose the battles that they fight. Its executives don't make huge salaries and - in my experience - most of its organizers and staff are true believers who really care about the battle for social justice.

All true. Except for the "executives don't make huge salaries" part - they just embezzle it. ACORN, to its discredit, for years kept the embezzlement secret so as not to empower it's political enemies.

I DO think that ACORN is an organization that is mainly built by people who care about what they are trying to accomplish. And as we all know, when somebody cares enough about the end goals, any means necessary become acceptable.

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The Right wing has always hated ACORN. Partially that's because the organization has been effective - especially when it comes to its battles for better housing and its campaigns to empower the poor the way we should do it in a democracy - registering people to vote. The Right wing hates it when poor people vote.

Fair enough. And I'm not saying that ACORN's goal of increasing voter registration is a bad one. It's good. The problem is that they have a lot more bad registrations than others do.

And the right wing, in my experience, hasn't hated when poor people vote nearly as much as the left wing hates it when poor people only vote once per election.

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During last year's election campaign the Republicans did everything they could to discredit ACORN by exposing "irregularities" in some of its voter registration programs. They pointed to a number of instances when ACORN canvassers - who were being paid to register people to vote - registered non-existent voters like "Mickey Mouse".

It was absolutely wrong for some ACORN employees to fake registrations to meet their quotas and keep their jobs. And ACORN's voter registration operation should have caught these fake registrations with better quality control. But there was never any danger that there would be a parade of cartoon characters out of Disney World and "Mickey Mouse" or "Donald Duck" were going to show up at a polling place and cast a ballot. To hear the right wing media tell it, ACORN was engaged in a great voter fraud scheme. In reality, a handfull of its canvassers were defrauding the organization itself - and also creating a public relations nightmare.

Correct. And since ACORN received a lot of money from the federal government that's trouble. And since states have laws against quotas for people getting registrations (because of the moral hazards that ACORN policies demonstrated) ACORN should have toed the line like you or I would have to.

But thank you for saying what should be said. ACORN fucked up and ACORN was tasked with sucking it up.

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Now we have a new controversy created when two aspiring Right Wing "journalists" posed as a pimp and a hooker and toured the country trying to coax an ACORN mortgage counselor to say something outrageous for their hidden camera. Their motive was not to expose any "bad advice" being doled out by the mortgage counselors. They admit it was to "bring down" ACORN. They failed in their quest at most ACORN offices. In one, the mortgage counselor actually called the police when they asked for help figuring out how to create a scheme to get tax deductions for fictitious underage prostitutes. But they finally hit the jackpot in Baltimore, where the local credit counselor gave them - and their camera -- unbelievably stupid advice.

Yep. And while most of ACORN did right by it, all it takes is one. The guy took the bait and brought down ACORN.

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Bear in mind, as outrageous as the employee's conduct was, no one was injured, no money was stolen, no deal was fixed.

The same could be said about an aspiring car bomber in Portland. No harm does not equal no foul.

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Compare that to what happened when Boeing was caught fixing bids for a giant tanker project, or AIG created the massive Credit Default Swap scheme that helped sink the entire financial system, or the greed of traders who received tens of millions in personal compensation caused millions of retirees to loose half of their 401K plans. Remember the hundreds of millions of dollars in overcharges for fuel in Iraq by KBR, the subsidiary of Haliburton. Or compare it to what happened to the security contractor Blackwater when its personnel opened fire and killed 14 civilians in Nisoor Square in Baghdad.

Correct. There's an issue there - the svelte company gets itself in everybody's pocket. Take a look at Enron - Enron did what others companies did. Only Enron gave far more to GOP candidates than Democrat. Therefore, Dems went after Enron and Enron could not be saved.

Compare Enron with Global Crossing. Lowdrick Cook - former Chairman of ARCO - was hired by founder Gary Winnick to be co-chairman. Gary Winnick gave heavily to Democrats. Lowdrick Cook gave heavily to Republicans.

Global Crossing's bankruptcy STILL ranks as #8 of all time - ahead of PG&E and United Airlines. Global Crossing's accounting scandals worked like Enron's only it came away fairly well because neither Democrats nor Republicans would touch them.

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No Republican demanded that these firms be "defunded" by Congress. No, instead AIG and the banks that were "too big to fail" received billions in bail-out money. The brilliant traders who sunk AIG got multi-million dollar bonuses. KBR, Haliburton, Boeing and even Blackwater still have huge government contracts.

It seems that it was not just Republicans who demanded this. And you have zero argument from me on this topic.

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Then again, what do you expect from the political party that last week promoted a "values summit" and is lead by philanderers like former Speaker Newt Gingrich, Senator David Vitter, Governor Mark Sanford, and Senator John Ensign. The Republicans have always been the kings of the double standard.

Republicans co-chair the Hypocrisy League with the Democrats. Republicans have sexual scandals. Democrats have money scandals. There are exceptions, but they are scandals because of the hypocrisy.

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so you want your tax money to go to white people but not blacks?

I want tax money to go to those that put into the system. Not those that hold out their hand and expect it to be given to them.

See how you keep bringing it back to race? That is the easy argument. It is a way to try to get people to stop disagreeing with you so that they aren't called racist.

but you've only talked about black people having a sense of entitlement (entitled to be bused for instance) and then you go on about paying tax so it's hard not to come to that conclusion.

as for racism you're the one who gave us all that example of a couple of white kids harassing that black lady.

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ACORN has 700 employees and nearly 100 offices.

Isn't it AMAZING how so few people generated SO MUCH HATE from conservatives.

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ACORN has 700 employees and nearly 100 offices.

Isn't it AMAZING how so few people generated SO MUCH HATE from conservatives.

Most people do not like criminals

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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ACORN has 700 employees and nearly 100 offices.

Isn't it AMAZING how so few people generated SO MUCH HATE from conservatives.

Most people do not like criminals

Then for fucks sake quit voting for them

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ACORN has 700 employees and nearly 100 offices.

Isn't it AMAZING how so few people generated SO MUCH HATE from conservatives.

Most people do not like criminals

Then for fucks sake quit voting for them

are you so angry tonight because of the lesson lawrocket gave you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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ACORN has 700 employees and nearly 100 offices.

Isn't it AMAZING how so few people generated SO MUCH HATE from conservatives.

Most people do not like criminals

Then for fucks sake quit voting for them

are you so angry tonight because of the lesson lawrocket gave you?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

what is tuly hilarious is that you and the other USUAL SUSPECTS actually believe that

U iz a funni little fella fer shure u betcha.

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ACORN has 700 employees and nearly 100 offices.

Isn't it AMAZING how so few people generated SO MUCH HATE from conservatives.

So you're looking at roughly 2% of all employees get felony convictions for actions in performance of their jobs. Roughly 2.3 million people are in prison in the US. Out of 300 million, that's a little under 1%.

So ACORN has employee work related convictions at twice the national average. And like any good family business, one of the brothers running it was good for embezzling large sums of money. (As I said, financial issues - Democrat. Sex issues - Republican).

Why doesn't the left hate ACORN - an organization that enriched the top dogs at the expense of the people it should have been helping? Then covcered it up? Then, when members of the Board begin investigating it - filing a lawsuit to get access to accounting records because they weren't being provided - ACORN removed them from the Board.

here's a link from a "credible news source" - http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/13/acorn.investigation/

Jeanne - why are you so hell bent on defending this? If it was another company or firm, you'd view it as the greed and sliminess that it is. But - because it is ACORN - you defend it.

Where's the consistency? The only consistency I see is, "It's a left leaning organization, therefore it does no wrong, because anything that may be construed by right-wingers as wrong is based upon their hatred of the organization. Because we have a common enemy, I'll support it."

I AM angry about ACORN. I am even more pissed off that the people who should be most pissed off about it (people like you) are instead defending it.

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ACORN has 700 employees and nearly 100 offices.

Isn't it AMAZING how so few people generated SO MUCH HATE from conservatives.

So you're looking at roughly 2% of all employees get felony convictions for actions in performance of their jobs. Roughly 2.3 million people are in prison in the US. Out of 300 million, that's a little under 1%.

So ACORN has employee work related convictions at twice the national average. And like any good family business, one of the brothers running it was good for embezzling large sums of money. (As I said, financial issues - Democrat. Sex issues - Republican).

Why doesn't the left hate ACORN - an organization that enriched the top dogs at the expense of the people it should have been helping? Then covcered it up? Then, when members of the Board begin investigating it - filing a lawsuit to get access to accounting records because they weren't being provided - ACORN removed them from the Board.

here's a link from a "credible news source" - http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/13/acorn.investigation/

Jeanne - why are you so hell bent on defending this? If it was another company or firm, you'd view it as the greed and sliminess that it is. But - because it is ACORN - you defend it. WRONG GUess again

Where's the consistency? The only consistency I see is, "It's a left leaning organization, therefore it does no wrong, because anything that may be construed by right-wingers as wrong is based upon their hatred of the organization. Because we have a common enemy, I'll support it."WRONG GUess again


I AM angry about ACORN. I am even more pissed off that the people who should be most pissed off about it (people like you) are instead defending it.WRONG GUess again

They were targeted just because of WHO they are and what they were trying to accomplish... some of them broke laws ... so prosecute the perps and leave them to do the work they are good at ... being advocates for the people who can't afford to get your POSITIVE attention. Me thinks you have forgotten your roots Jerry.

The people who ACORN has helped do not get a whole lot of help in this life.. but I get the feeling that most of the USUAL SUSPECTS will blabber something about pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. uh huh...... right ... I would posit most conservatives managed to get more than just a little help getting to where they are.

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ACORN has 700 employees and nearly 100 offices.

Isn't it AMAZING how so few people generated SO MUCH HATE from conservatives.

Hate???

So now "discust" is hate???

well ...........Oh fuck, why bother ??????

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put down the shovel
climb out of the deep one you have created
and back away

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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put down the shovel
climb out of the deep one you have created
and back away

It's like lawrocket is arguing with rhys about 9/11. Give them all the facts yet they refuse to see the truth.

lawrocket, you have owned her several times in thread. Just because someone doesn't surrender doesn't mean they aren't defeated.







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"1981 to 1988 is 7 years"-Kallend (oops, it's actually 8 years Kallend)

The decade of the 80's was from 1980 to 1989. 10 years. If you remove 1980 and 1989 you have 1981 to 1988. 8 years.

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put down the shovel
climb out of the deep one you have created
and back away

It's like lawrocket is arguing with rhys about 9/11. Give them all the facts yet they refuse to see the truth.

lawrocket, you have owned her several times in thread. Just because someone doesn't surrender doesn't mean they aren't defeated.







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"1981 to 1988 is 7 years"-Kallend (oops, it's actually 8 years Kallend)

The decade of the 80's was from 1980 to 1989. 10 years. If you remove 1980 and 1989 you have 1981 to 1988. 8 years.

To her points fraud is fraud but turning it to the arguement being made is sensless it seems to me.

I vote all go to jail
I also vote getting rid of gov funding for orgs that do it too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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put down the shovel
climb out of the deep one you have created
and back away

It's like lawrocket is arguing with rhys about 9/11. Give them all the facts yet they refuse to see the truth.

lawrocket, you have owned her several times in thread. Just because someone doesn't surrender doesn't mean they aren't defeated.







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"1981 to 1988 is 7 years"-Kallend (oops, it's actually 8 years Kallend)

The decade of the 80's was from 1980 to 1989. 10 years. If you remove 1980 and 1989 you have 1981 to 1988. 8 years.

To her points fraud is fraud but turning it to the arguement being made is sensless it seems to me.

I vote all go to jail
I also vote getting rid of gov funding for orgs that do it too

Right... as long as they are on YOUR political hit list based on criteria that is repugnant to most Americans.

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Jeanne - why are you so hell bent on defending this? If it was another company or firm, you'd view it as the greed and sliminess that it is. But - because it is ACORN - you defend it. WRONG GUess again

So you wouldn't view it as greed and sliminess if it was another company! HA! PROVEN!*

*"This dirty lawyer trick brought to you by lawrocket. Yes, when you need a master of dickjitsu, think lawrocket!"

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Where's the consistency? The only consistency I see is, "It's a left leaning organization, therefore it does no wrong, because anything that may be construed by right-wingers as wrong is based upon their hatred of the organization. Because we have a common enemy, I'll support it."WRONG GUess again

Sorry, Jeanne. It's what I see and, from the responses here over the last several months, it's what everyone is seeing. There are often things that we don't know about ourselves because we have this self-insulation. Sometimes I need to find these things out to keep me in tune with others' perceptions of me so I can work on it. I used to tell my ex-wife "That dress makes you look fat." Then she'd tell me all kinds of things about myself - for days on end, really - that I need to work on to be a better person, such as that stray eyebrow hair.

When a large percentage of people view you in a certain way, it might be a good defensive mechanism to think they are goat fuck stupid. Meanwhile, I tend to think that if lots of people think the same thing about me they've probably got a point.

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Me thinks you have forgotten your roots Jerry.

Quite the contrary. Memories of how I grew up are burned into my mind and my psyche. I don't like my roots. I don't want to be one of those people I grew up around.

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The people who ACORN has helped do not get a whole lot of help in this life

The people who ACORN has helped get more help than anyone else! You think some middle class guy is gonna get a hand? Fuck no. We don't. We have to do it ourselves. Then we get taxed to help the little guy or to help the big guy.

So I go vote. It means being at the polling place at 630 a.m. so I don't miss work (even though I can, I've got to make up for it.) It means I register and do it. And when I run my own business, it means at times being the only employee who goes unpaid.

I haven't forgotten my roots. The only difference between them and me is that I didn't spend time feeling sorry for myself. I didn't spend my time blaming others. And I sure as hell didn't allow anyone to subjugate me as a person who "needs help." Once I quit feeling sorry for myself I actually started doing pretty well.

Don't hit me with "forgot your roots" bullshit. It's likely exactly the thing that redneck racist crackers tell you, isn't it? Don't you righteously hate those people for expecting you to be the failure that they are?

I'm not sorry I got educated. I'm not sorry I got my ass out of it. You got yourself out of the fucked up subculture in which you were raised. So did I.

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The people who ACORN has helped do not get a whole lot of help in this life..

Hmmm. Not getting a whole lot of help in life. Sounds like fucking LIFE! I didn't get a whole lot of help in this life. My wife didn't get a whole lot of help in this life. Both of us dealt with things that any good liberal would say we are justified in cursing our fate.

But both of us fought on. I didn't get a damned thing that I didn't EARN. I didnt' steal, I didn't blame. I sucked it up and drove on. This is why I am being painted as a bad guy or someone who has forgotten his roots.

It's people like you who hold people back far more than any outspoken bigot ever could. You are the person who tells people they cannot. You are the person who tells people that they need help. You are the person who so demeans and degrades the population that you actually get them believing they are worthless and powerless, and only through people like you can life become smoewhat bearable for them. And by bearable, you mean "Instead of helping you out of the gutter, I'm going to bring everybody else down here with you. That way, you won't feel powerless anymore."

My roots are in the gutter. I will not go back. I will not allow anyone to bring me back there. Despite the noble image, it's not a good place.

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I would posit most conservatives managed to get more than just a little help getting to where they are.

Yep. Go on thinking that. "This person has done well. Therefore, this person had things handed to him or her. We must therefore take from this person."

Is that why you hate conservatives? Because they might have gotten help? It's funny - the rich kids and the poorest kids are usually the liberal ones - because they are the ones who get things handed to them.

The conservative kids are the ones who get nothing handed to them.

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I got mine and fuck anyone else


Sounds like you made it Jerry. Ever thought of showing others how you did it?




Personally I would prefer to see a better society than a dog eat dog society... Other peoples milage seems to vary



GREATLY

I can exist in both if needed but it would be far easier to live in a society that works together to make it better for all its members not just the very very very few at the top that 30% of the society hope and pray daily that the .2% will trickle on them just a little .

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I got mine and fuck anyone else

Here's the difference between a liberal and a conservative:
Conservative: "If you want to help people with your stuff then help people with your stuff and I'll help people with mine."
Liberal: "I want to help people with your stuff and keep all of mine."

Liberals - "Give us jobs."
Conservatives - "How about starting a business?"
Liberal - "We can't start a business. Hey - can you give us a business?"
Conservative - "No. I started my own. Unfortunately, I can't hire anybody else on right now."
Liberal - "Heartless fascist! Where is your heart?"


Jeanne - I do show others how I did it. It's called "sacrifice." While others were partying and/or having families, I was in school. While others were buying houses I was taking out student loans. While others were having fun I was studying.

I'm married to a physician. Here's a challenge - I'll put my net worth against yours and see who wins. I'll put her net worht against yours and see who wins. Put both of ours together and it is breathtaking how in the negative we are.

Take a bum on the street and he/she is worth more than I am. You think I am kidding? I am not. I am dead serious.

Therefore, who "needs" more help? The 22 year-old kid who dropped out of high school and is working a nowhere job? Or the 37 year-old with a doctoral education and a negative $120k net worth? Oh, yes. I should be doing more to help out the 22 year-old. He is without health care because he can't afford it. Right. Neither can I, but somehow I manage. It means no skydiving, partying, etc.

There are people who NEED help. You see those folks on the off ramps with signs that say "Homeless?" You know how you can tell who the homeless are? They are the ones with shopping carts full of everything they own. If they don't have a shopping cart, they aren't homeless.

The mentally ill - THEY need help. The druggies? Fuck them - that's the course in life they chose.

What about the physically disabled. Let's ask Max whether or not he let his loss of leg interfere with his attempts to improve his situation. "Hey, Max - you can't work in construction. Especially not doing a project in the Sierras. You can't do it, Max. If you just became a wounded veteran we'd understand."

I also hate to tell you this, Jeanne, but your idea of a "better society" is what I consider to be a pussy-wimp criminal society where fuckups are empowered and people like Max are punished.

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Personally I would prefer to see a better society than a dog eat dog society

"Better" society? Better for whom? There is no such thing as "better for everyone."

But I like your "dog eat dog" metaphor. Yes, Jeanne, we are dogs who eat each other. I don't think a "dog eat tofu and lentils" society would last too long because dogs aren't fond of tofu and lentils and were simply made to eat meat.

So, what would you propose that dogs eat? A "dog eat rich" society? As Lemmy Kilmeister sang, "Come on baby - EAT THE RICH. Put the bite on the son of a bitch."

Or Alvin Lee, "Tax the rich. Feed the poor. Till there are no rich no more." I note that he didn't sing "till there are no poor no more." Because gettign rid of the wealthy is much easier to do and it makes the poor feel better. It further ensures that a problem is never solved, thus justifying the continuing existence of the problem solvers.

You cannot cure poverty by throwing money at it. And your bad-juju about "bootstrapping" is an indication of that. Jeanne - if you do it yourself it's called bootstrapping. If someone else does it for you, it isn't bootstrapping. But - if someone else does it for you, then you also haven't achieved.

So, Jeanne, dog eat dog is the way it is. It's the way it has been. Like it or not, we humans are animals, and the belief that we can cure human nature is something that Bible thumpers talk about.


What is my dream society? Where people leave me alone and where I leave other people alone. If people want to use me, I have my going rate. If I want to use somebody else, well, they have their rates, too. This means that I use my resources to get what I need for the best price.

Hey, Jeanne - why don't you give me your money and I'll spend it on others? There's a good reason - you know better how to spend your money than I do and others know better what they need than I do. On top of that, I'll want a cut of that money for "managing" it.

Hey, Jeanne - why don't you give me your money and I'll spend it on you? There's a good reason - you know better how to spend your money on yourself than I do and I'll want a cut.

Hey, Jeanne - why don't I give you my money so you can spend it? Because I know better how spend my money than you do.

This is the essence of dog eat dog. I spend my money on things and you spend your money on things. I don't buy myself any brassieres because to me they are useless. They are likely not useless to you. However, if I were to say, "Your money could be better spent on banana hammocks" you would disagree because we have different needs or desires. This is true of EVERYTHING - not just undergarments.

A better society to me means a worse society to you - and vice versa. However, there is one thing that separates my "better" society from yours: I don't pick winners and losers. I let them pick themselves. Your dream society, however, by necessity means the choosing of winners and losers. I don't trust myself to make the right choices. I sure as hell don't trust anybody else.

Your society runs the risk of a Dubya being in charge of picking those winners and losers. I REALLY don't like that risk.

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[Reply]but no fraudulent votes were cast - so no real harm done

This is sickening. No "real" harm done. It's just the dignity of the process. That kid in Portland didn't actually hurt anyone.

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There was clearly harm done. People should stop sweeping voter fraud under the rug.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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There was clearly harm done. People should stop sweeping voter fraud under the rug.

Absolutely!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Nice pointless bump. The thread's been dead for almost a month.

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Nice pointless bump. The thread's been dead for almost a month.

I am sad to hear that you think that election fraud is something that would be pointless to discuss.

But then, when I think of it, the left is prone to that attitude.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Nice pointless bump. The thread's been dead for almost a month.

Nice

You really added to the thread

Again you do as you bitch about

You and MasterCard

priceless

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln