ACORN Workers Convicted of ELECTION FRAUD

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Fail councilor I do not think it is cheating to get as many Americans invovled in selecting those who represent us and obviously you do . One person ... one vote ... but I guess like Animal Farm.. some of the special animals feel they are entitled to be just a bit more equal.

I mourn our democracy..because now we have a GOP that seeks to exclude as many Americans from the process as they possibly can across the country. I mourn for the party of my youth. I remember a GOP that stood for something that is long lost and that did not include excluding people based on their color or socio-economic status because they would vote against a party that will no longer represent them .

That used to be the other guys.

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Fail councilor I do not think it is cheating to get as many Americans invovled in selecting those who represent us and obviously you do . One person ... one vote ... but I guess like Animal Farm.. some of the special animals feel they are entitled to be just a bit more equal.

Like the dead Democrats voting in Chicago, you mean?

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I mourn our democracy..because now we have a GOP that seeks to exclude as many Americans from the process as they possibly can across the country. I mourn for the party of my youth. I remember a GOP that stood for something that is long lost and that did not include excluding people based on their color or socio-economic status because they would vote against a party that will no longer represent them .

That used to be the other guys.

Like the NBP scaring people away from the polls?

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Fail councilor I do not think it is cheating to get as many Americans invovled in selecting those who represent us and obviously you do . One person ... one vote ... but I guess like Animal Farm.. some of the special animals feel they are entitled to be just a bit more equal.

Like the dead Democrats voting in Chicago, you mean? Or the thousands of non existant votes cast by Diebold Machines as promised by their CEO by the software that changes votes for democrats to magically show up as votes for their GOP opponents

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I mourn our democracy..because now we have a GOP that seeks to exclude as many Americans from the process as they possibly can across the country. I mourn for the party of my youth. I remember a GOP that stood for something that is long lost and that did not include excluding people based on their color or socio-economic status because they would vote against a party that will no longer represent them .

That used to be the other guys.

Like the NBP scaring people away from the polls?

Do you think integrity will EVER allow you to point out or to acknowledge the very well organized and wide spread efforts of the GOP across the country to do far worse???


Nah.. didn't think so

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Do you think integrity will EVER allow you to point out or to acknowledge the very well organized and wide spread efforts of the GOP across the country to do far worse???


Nah.. didn't think so

Lemme know when YOU come up with enough to acknowledge the Dems doing it over and over and over and over - I'm sure you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath, waiting.

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Do you think integrity will EVER allow you to point out or to acknowledge the very well organized and wide spread efforts of the GOP across the country to do far worse???


Nah.. didn't think so

Lemme know when YOU come up with enough to acknowledge the Dems doing it over and over and over and over - I'm sure you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath, waiting.

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Diebold Quietly Patches Security Flaw in Vote Counting Software Premier Election Solutions, formerly Diebold, has patched a serious security weakness in its election tabulation software used in the majority of states, according to a lab that tested the new version and a federal commission that certified it.
The flaw in the tabulation software was discovered by Wired.com earlier this year, and involved the program’s auditing logs. The logs failed to record significant events occurring on a computer running the software, including the act of someone deleting votes during or after an election. The logs also failed to record who performed an action on the system, and listed some events with the wrong date and timestamps.
But remember, we don't need a paper audit trail!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/diebold-quietly-patches-security-flaw-vote-counting-software


One person one vote... too bad so many on the fringe right do not believe in that.

COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

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Fail councilor I do not think it is cheating to get as many Americans invovled in selecting those who represent us and obviously you do . One person ... one vote ... but I guess like Animal Farm.. some of the special animals feel they are entitled to be just a bit more equal.

You didn't read what I wrote nor follow what has happened. ACORN WAS NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING AS MANY AMERICANS INVOLVED IN SELECTING THOSE WHO REPRESENT US. They were interested in profiling the typical Democratic voter to elect those who would support key aspects of the Democratic platform.

They weren't looking to sign up everyone in Little Havana! In 2004, the final version of Florida ACORN's plan, entitled "Floridians for All: A Statewide Ballot Initiative Campaign to Raise the Minimum Wage" stated the following:

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•“In conjunction with Project Vote, Florida ACORN will register 122,000 primarily African-American, Caribbean, and progressive Latino citizens, resulting in a net increase of 68,000 new voters.” – page 26

Note they did not say, "will register voters." No. they would register primarily African-American, Caribbean, and progressive Latino citizens." Translation? Cuban immigrants will NOT be registered.

Here's something that I found from 2006 (I haven't found a 2004 version yet) that was prepared by CNN and describes voter demographics and percentages:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html

See how this lines up with it? Let's say a group called CORNFED decided to target registration of white men over the income of $100k per year. You'd think it's a dirty trick. So would I.

Well, the opposite is true. ACORN did not target everybody. ACORN ONLY targeted likely Democratic voters. ACORN endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate. ACORN engaged in policy advocacy. And ACORN got federal funding as a non-partisan agency.

Jeanne: if you want to open the door to everybody, you don't target certain people. By your words, " do not think it is cheating to get as many Americans invovled in selecting those who represent us." The contrapositive is, "I do think it is cheating not to get as many Americans involved in selecting those who represent us." ACORN is involved in only getting some people involved to the exclusion of others.

Rub your eyes, observe the facts. Digest the facts. It may run counter to your feelings, but that's what "thought" is all about.

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because now we have a GOP that seeks to exclude as many Americans from the process as they possibly can across the country

First - bullshit.

Second - the GOP is not "non-partisan." If the Democratic Party did what ACORN did, I'd have no problem. Fortunately, the Democratic party DOES do what ACORN did. Only the Democratic Party is "partisan' (note "party" vs. "partisan") and is subject to campaing finance reporting laws and other such oversight.

ACORN came along and by virtue of calling itself non-partisan, avoiding these requirements. Picture GWB calling any swinging dick who doesn't like American soldiers breaking into his home a "terrorist insurgent." Merely by using descriptive words, one can cause a whole different set of presumptions.

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I remember a GOP that stood for something that is long lost and that did not include excluding people based on their color or socio-economic status

I hate to break this to you, but I see a head of the GOP that is black. I see Clarence Thomas and Alberto Gonzalez and Condoleeza Rice as GOP people who not only were not "excluded" but literally "rose to the top." And it seems that perisistent attacks against the aforementioned are contantly leveled by Democrats.

The point being that the GOP seems not to care as much about the color of their skin as much as whether or not their viewpoint is the same. Still, I understand that it's politics. Rice and Thomas and Steele are threats. Just like Palin is a threat. Much like Obama and Hillary Clinton are threats.

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That used to be the other guys.

Both GOP and Dems play dirty games and tricks. I quit being a Republican in 1994 because I saw little difference between the two parties at the time and time proved me correct.

It's rather nice not having to worry about defending Republicans or Democrats because I am neither. This thread I am calling out ACORN. Tomorrow it may be MSNBC or Fox News.

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It seems to me they targetd po folk that would probably vote for Democrats based on the great work the GOP has done in the last 30 years of ensuring the maximum amount of po folk being trickled on.

Based on what you are stating... you would think they would REQUIRE anyone they registered to vote for a Democrat... but sorry councilor.. no one knows how the people they registered actually voted.

In other words councillor you are trying to introduce facts that are not in evidence.

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Do you think integrity will EVER allow you to point out or to acknowledge the very well organized and wide spread efforts of the GOP across the country to do far worse???

Ah! You now acknowledge that what ACORN did was bad. However, this was couched in "GOP...do far worse." This glosses over ACORN's misdeed and puts the focus on the GOP. Then you put the point that the GOP does far worse.

start a new thread on the bad stuff the GOP does. The point is not that ACORN is worse or better than the GOP. The point is that ACORN did stuff it shouldn't have been doing. ACORN was tasked with registering voters. ACORN then selected what voters it wanted registered on the basis of expected outcome. This is bad.

I reiterate - if the Florida Democratic Party did this then more powe to them! If the Republican Party did this, hey, good on them! If Pharma is doing this then my hat's off to them. If Alex Sink wasn't doing this in Florida in the summer and fall of 2010 I'd think there's something wrong with the guy.

If a non-profit, non-partisan group is doing partisan advocacy and getting money from the government that partisan advocacy groups aren't supposed to get then that's "slimy" and dirty.

As an aside, I think you'd like a lot of what the Cato Institute puts out. They regularly ripped the Bush Administration a new asshole (and hate Neoconservatives) on government spending and growth. It favors civil liberties, immigration reform and equal rights for minorities (including LBGT) while ripping Democrats and liberals on guns, taxes, federal government intervention in markets and rips all sides for corporate welfare.

I think you and I agree on a lot. The difference is I'm an equal opportunity hater. I hate the GOP. I hate the Democratic Party.

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Do you think integrity will EVER allow you to point out or to acknowledge the very well organized and wide spread efforts of the GOP across the country to do far worse???

Ah! You now acknowledge that what ACORN did was bad. However, this was couched in "GOP...do far worse." This glosses over ACORN's misdeed and puts the focus on the GOP. Then you put the point that the GOP does far worse.

start a new thread on the bad stuff the GOP does. The point is not that ACORN is worse or better than the GOP. The point is that ACORN did stuff it shouldn't have been doing. ACORN was tasked with registering voters. ACORN then selected what voters it wanted registered on the basis of expected outcome. This is bad.

I reiterate - if the Florida Democratic Party did this then more powe to them! If the Republican Party did this, hey, good on them! If Pharma is doing this then my hat's off to them. If Alex Sink wasn't doing this in Florida in the summer and fall of 2010 I'd think there's something wrong with the guy.

If a non-profit, non-partisan group is doing partisan advocacy and getting money from the government that partisan advocacy groups aren't supposed to get then that's "slimy" and dirty.

As an aside, I think you'd like a lot of what the Cato Institute puts out. They regularly ripped the Bush Administration a new asshole (and hate Neoconservatives) on government spending and growth. It favors civil liberties, immigration reform and equal rights for minorities (including LBGT) while ripping Democrats and liberals on guns, taxes, federal government intervention in markets and rips all sides for corporate welfare.

I think you and I agree on a lot. The difference is I'm an equal opportunity hater. I hate the GOP. I hate the Democratic Party.

You seem to miss the point in those local and state election boards... across wide swaths of the country that are controlled by the GOP and are in a concerted effort to suppress votes by those deemed less worthy of inclusion in our system. They control where machines are put and the amount of them in varied precincts.

Funny I do not see the Democrats doing the same thing in affluent neighborhoods to suppress the white vote by making it more difficult with long lines.

I do not see the very small organization that is ACORN.. with anythng NEAR that amount of raw power to affect the outcomes of elections

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It seems to me they targetd po folk that would probably vote for Democrats based on the great work the GOP has done in the last 30 years of ensuring the maximum amount of po folk being trickled on.

Again - I don't care WHY they targeted African Americans, Caribbeans, and "progressive Latinos." They fact is they targeted. Enough said.

They may have been righteous in doing it. I don't care. They lied. They abused their status as a non-partisan entity and acted partisan. That's it. THey have the same issues with the truth as Dubya does. Period.

If what they were doing justifiable then they would have justified. Even they were smart enough to know that justification of what they did would be a death sentence. Apologizing, groveling and mea culpas are what ACORN did, with a heavy dose of, "It was a few people."

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Based on what you are stating... you would think they would REQUIRE anyone they registered to vote for a Democrat

Nope. But I can tell you, I could get 20 Republicans and no Democrats registered tomorrow. Or vice versa. Note - they targeted "progressive Latinos." This is important because there has to be a way to IDENTIFY them.

Again, you are in a hole and you keep digging. You are justifying what they did. The whole point of the thread was that ACORN did it. At first the opposition was, "No they didnt." Then, "They did it but no harm was done." Then "ACORN did it, but they were justified." Now it is, "Some Republicans must have been registered."

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... but sorry councilor.. no one knows how the people they registered actually voted.

I don't know how YOU voted. However, I can be pretty damned sure that Bob Barr didn't get your vote. Fortunately/unfortunately, there is Demographic data and playin the odds. As a matter of probabilities, ACORN expected to net 68k new voters in Florida for 2004. Considering that roughly 2/3 of those targeted would be Democratic voters, they could count on about 45k Dems to 23k GOP.

I read more of that 2004 Florida strategy. The people registering voters were to talk to prospective voters about their position on the minimum wage. THEN they would register them. Sound fishy?

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In other words councillor you are trying to introduce facts that are not in evidence.

Wrong. I've got the data of whom they were targeting. Then I linked whom they were targeting with the demographic voting data. Yes, I am arguing the connection. Of course, you haven't argued that "Targeting of African Americans, Caribbeans, and progressive Latinos would not result in Democrats receiving more votes from those registered than Republicans."

Therefore, the facts are undisputed and you have not disputed my argument. Go ahead and dispute my conclusion! Try to find evidence that is contrary to it. Post it. I'll be glad to review it.

I've posted lots of fact and data and evidence that directly contradicts your statements and your positions. You then move on to another point. I respond. Then you go to another point. I respond.

Go back and respond to what I put out there. Let us limit the discussion. Now you are at the end of the line - attackign the relevance of what I put out there. You are the criminal defense lawyer saying, "Other than the gunshot residue, defensive wounds, his semen on the victim and seven voicemail messages he left with his friends bragging about the rape and murder, there is no evidence to show that my client had anything to do with this - and that evidence is pretty weak in a rape/murder trial."

Go ahead and respond to my points without redirecting it. I've had the goods to respond to your misdirections. I've now responded to this one.

The ball is in your court. There is nothing wrong with saying, "What ACORN did was wrong and illegal. Had they just been honest about what they were doing and filed as a PAC or a partisan enterprise then there would be no discussion. But they were dishonest, took benefits from that dishonesty, and should face the consequences."

Then start a thread about the GOP malfeasance and I'll join in there, too.

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You seem to miss the point in those local and state election boards... across wide swaths of the country that are controlled by the GOP and are in a concerted effort to suppress votes by those deemed less worthy of inclusion in our system. They control where machines are put and the amount of them in varied precincts.

Funny I do not see the Democrats doing the same thing in affluent neighborhoods to suppress the white vote by making it more difficult with long lines.

I do not see the very small organization that is ACORN.. with anythng NEAR that amount of raw power to affect the outcomes of elections

"He was just a sociopath who acted alone in the rape and murder. The 18th Street Gang does far worse. Before you condemn this man for what he did, allow me to educate you at length about the 18th Street Gang. Once you see what they have done, what they do, and what they will do, you'll see that this man deserves no punishment."

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SO we get to the bottom line you do not seem all that comfortable with getting more Americans to vote. Those demographics have a very important and relevant component to you and others who currently identify themselves as “conservative”. I see way too many people who seem to feel the same way. Personally I would love to see more people as part of our elections. I only see one party that wishes to disenfranchise their fellow Americans utilizing any tactic they can get away with. To me, that is indefensible on all levels and really is un-American.

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SO we get to the bottom line you do not seem all that comfortable with getting more Americans to vote

No. ACORN sure as hell didn't want that - which is why they didn't go after everybody. They only went after certain groups. and you're defending it.

I happen to think that partisans don't want everybody voting because "the more of us and the fewer of them then we win."

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Personally I would love to see more people as part of our elections

Then don't use ACORN. They don't go for everybody. You defend them because they went after the people you want to see vote. I hate to break it to you, Jeanne, but I see no problem with you wanting that.

I will reiterate again - and follow the bouncing ball - if an organization is paid to register voters regardless of their affilliation or position then targeting certain groups is anathema to their job. If the DNC did what ACORN did then I have no problem. If the RNC did it - NO PROBLEM!

ACORN did it. Problem. They are explicitly non-partisan. They were partisan. That's it.

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I only see one party that wishes to disenfranchise their fellow Americans utilizing any tactic they can get away with.

I don't think that the Democratic Party directed ACORN to do this. I think ACORN was a group of political animals without good management or oversight that bred a culture of partisanship that favored the Democrats and exercised that partisanship. Only ACORN was paid to be non-partisan.

By the way - you refuse to respond to my challenge. I will take it that you understand and know that you have no response. Therefore, you exercise your prophetic abilities to know what it going on in my mind that, ironically, is directly contrary to what I am writing and what I actually believe.

I'm going to pull out the big guns now - I double dog dare you to find evidence that the preferential targeting of voters by ACORN neither intended to push the election towards the democrats nor resulted in more votes for Democrats. You have thus far ignored my invitation to cite that evidence or even make that argument. instead you are seeking justification - much as peace protestors justify violent riots.

It's a double dog dare, Jeanne.

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and now the discussion is about racism.

it was about racism from the very first post - and now you've had your say

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and now the discussion is about racism.

it was about racism from the very first post - and now you've had your say

So, he is supposed to shut up now because you say so?



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Do you think integrity will EVER allow you to point out or to acknowledge the very well organized and wide spread efforts of the GOP across the country to do far worse???


Nah.. didn't think so

Lemme know when YOU come up with enough to acknowledge the Dems doing it over and over and over and over - I'm sure you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath, waiting.

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Diebold Quietly Patches Security Flaw in Vote Counting Software Premier Election Solutions, formerly Diebold, has patched a serious security weakness in its election tabulation software used in the majority of states, according to a lab that tested the new version and a federal commission that certified it.
The flaw in the tabulation software was discovered by Wired.com earlier this year, and involved the program’s auditing logs. The logs failed to record significant events occurring on a computer running the software, including the act of someone deleting votes during or after an election. The logs also failed to record who performed an action on the system, and listed some events with the wrong date and timestamps.
But remember, we don't need a paper audit trail!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/diebold-quietly-patches-security-flaw-vote-counting-software


One person one vote... too bad so many on the fringe right do not believe in that.

COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

same response I've always had whenever anyone brings up Diebold. Get an investigation launched. Work with an investiagion commission to put facts together, get charges brought. Get a conviction.

This thread is about (or was) a conviction of a crime. Not an allegation. I know of the stories of modifying machines without breaking the tamper seal, I know the stories of faulty logging.

But to borrow wording from above, that doesn't mean there was a fradulent vote cast.

It doesn't mean there wasn't either, but in that case there isn't evidence being considered by a court. In this case there was.

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I think this thread, when on topic, has shown both sides have committed fraud.

The thread started about "One Side" having convictions recently.

A question was asked and answered as to where ACTUAL votes cast fraudulently, and a Defendant in a court proceeding said Yes.

Others when caught claim it is just Political Revenge for their Political Agenda.

So I learned, in this thread: All political parties will try at any thing to win, all political parties vehement supporters will help in that endeavor-to include lying about it and defending it, and that we need to improve the system still.

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Fail councilor I do not think it is cheating to get as many Americans invovled in selecting those who represent us and obviously you do . One person ... one vote ... but I guess like Animal Farm.. some of the special animals feel they are entitled to be just a bit more equal.

I mourn our democracy..because now we have a GOP that seeks to exclude as many Americans from the process as they possibly can across the country. I mourn for the party of my youth. I remember a GOP that stood for something that is long lost and that did not include excluding people based on their color or socio-economic status because they would vote against a party that will no longer represent them .

That used to be the other guys.

Yes is every Americans right to vote, thanks to Acorn, many did 3 or 4 times...

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so you want your tax money to go to white people but not blacks?

I want tax money to go to those that put into the system. Not those that hold out their hand and expect it to be given to them.

See how you keep bringing it back to race? That is the easy argument. It is a way to try to get people to stop disagreeing with you so that they aren't called racist.

Face the facts. There is a certain part of the population that expects others to take care of them and use racism as a way to get what they want.

Then there are people like you that help them with this by claiming racism all the time.

NAACP and the likes would do a better job of helping people if they told them the truth. Fix yourselves and stop blaming your messed up life on everyone else. The year is 2010. Time to take accountability and stop blaming the past.

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so you're ok with segregation

Do not try to turn this into a race issue. It is not.

it is exactly that.

your an enabler arent ya?

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Amazon, you have been owned by lawrocket. He is my hero.

Only in the minds of the grossly delusional

Some people who broke laws were convicted.. that is supposed to be how our system works.

BUT I expect it to go after ALL who have broken the law.. no matter who the fuck they are.

SO it really IS time to get fucking real...

Time to Get Real About the ACORN "Controversy"--and Republican Double Standards


The bottom line is this: if the same standard used to prevent ACORN from receiving federal contracts were applied to many large corporations -- Boeing, financial institutions like AIG and CitiCorp, not to speak of private military contractors like Blackwater -- they would all have been barred as federal contractors long ago. But instead of being blacklisted, many of them actually received billions of taxpayer dollars to bail them out.

ACORN has worked for decades to organize a nationwide grass roots community organization with a mission of empowering poor and moderate income people. ACORN has never been one of those outfits that seeks just to "represent" the interests of the poor. Since its inception it has been made up of poor and moderate income people themselves. Its members pay dues, elect their leadership and choose the battles that they fight. Its executives don't make huge salaries and - in my experience - most of its organizers and staff are true believers who really care about the battle for social justice.

The Right wing has always hated ACORN. Partially that's because the organization has been effective - especially when it comes to its battles for better housing and its campaigns to empower the poor the way we should do it in a democracy - registering people to vote. The Right wing hates it when poor people vote.

During last year's election campaign the Republicans did everything they could to discredit ACORN by exposing "irregularities" in some of its voter registration programs. They pointed to a number of instances when ACORN canvassers - who were being paid to register people to vote - registered non-existent voters like "Mickey Mouse".

It was absolutely wrong for some ACORN employees to fake registrations to meet their quotas and keep their jobs. And ACORN's voter registration operation should have caught these fake registrations with better quality control. But there was never any danger that there would be a parade of cartoon characters out of Disney World and "Mickey Mouse" or "Donald Duck" were going to show up at a polling place and cast a ballot. To hear the right wing media tell it, ACORN was engaged in a great voter fraud scheme. In reality, a handfull of its canvassers were defrauding the organization itself - and also creating a public relations nightmare.

The Republicans knew full well that there was no danger of "Mickey Mouse" voting. But they milked the "controversy" for every ounce of bad publicity they could deliver - and did their best to paint the former community organizer Barack Obama with the same brush.

Now we have a new controversy created when two aspiring Right Wing "journalists" posed as a pimp and a hooker and toured the country trying to coax an ACORN mortgage counselor to say something outrageous for their hidden camera. Their motive was not to expose any "bad advice" being doled out by the mortgage counselors. They admit it was to "bring down" ACORN. They failed in their quest at most ACORN offices. In one, the mortgage counselor actually called the police when they asked for help figuring out how to create a scheme to get tax deductions for fictitious underage prostitutes. But they finally hit the jackpot in Baltimore, where the local credit counselor gave them - and their camera -- unbelievably stupid advice.

As soon as the behavior of their employees came to light, ACORN fired the offending employees and soon thereafter closed ACORN counseling offices for several days of retraining to prevent a similar infraction in the future.

Bear in mind, as outrageous as the employee's conduct was, no one was injured, no money was stolen, no deal was fixed. There was no victim of their acts. No matter, within days the Right Wing noise machine went into full "fury" mode. Republicans used their procedural prerogatives in Congress to force votes cutting off any federal funding for ACORN. Enough Democrats went along, and the motions passed both Houses.

Compare that to what happened when Boeing was caught fixing bids for a giant tanker project, or AIG created the massive Credit Default Swap scheme that helped sink the entire financial system, or the greed of traders who received tens of millions in personal compensation caused millions of retirees to loose half of their 401K plans. Remember the hundreds of millions of dollars in overcharges for fuel in Iraq by KBR, the subsidiary of Haliburton. Or compare it to what happened to the security contractor Blackwater when its personnel opened fire and killed 14 civilians in Nisoor Square in Baghdad.

No Republican demanded that these firms be "defunded" by Congress. No, instead AIG and the banks that were "too big to fail" received billions in bail-out money. The brilliant traders who sunk AIG got multi-million dollar bonuses. KBR, Haliburton, Boeing and even Blackwater still have huge government contracts.

Think about it. An amateur Right Wing journalist finally finds an ACORN employee who provides him and his faux hooker cohort with some outrageous advice, and the Republicans get Congress to pass legislation cutting off funding in little more than a week. Blackwater employees kill 14 Iraqi civilians, endangering America's mission in Iraq and the Republicans don't utter a peep.

Then again, what do you expect from the political party that last week promoted a "values summit" and is lead by philanderers like former Speaker Newt Gingrich, Senator David Vitter, Governor Mark Sanford, and Senator John Ensign. The Republicans have always been the kings of the double standard.


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For all you people that claimed that ACORN workers didn't commit fraud during the 2008 presidential elections. Go Spit !!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/?test=latestnews

For the 10000000th time, please post something from a source other than Fox "News" if you're going to make a convincing point and attempt to have something other than a right-wing circle jerk.

Of course, pardon me if that was your intention.

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For all you people that claimed that ACORN workers didn't commit fraud during the 2008 presidential elections. Go Spit !!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/?test=latestnews

For the 10000000th time, please post something from a source other than Fox "News" if you're going to make a convincing point and attempt to have something other than a right-wing circle jerk.

Of course, pardon me if that was your intention.

To quote and modify poor ole Forrest Gump's line

"Sorry I messed up your White Panther Par Tay"

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For all you people that claimed that ACORN workers didn't commit fraud during the 2008 presidential elections. Go Spit !!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/?test=latestnews

For the 10000000th time, please post something from a source other than Fox "News" if you're going to make a convincing point and attempt to have something other than a right-wing circle jerk.

Of course, pardon me if that was your intention.

Ahhhh...the Old , you proved me wrong, so I will blame your sorce defence...Well played...