ACORN Workers Convicted of ELECTION FRAUD

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Cooool 2 of the USUAL SUSPECTS...... QUACK QUACK QUACK away yet again....

Poor little fella's ... just cain't hep yersefs..... bless your poor little hearts.


Yall should read the " Care and Baiting of Racial Minorities"

What is this Quack quack thing have to do with the topic?

So, "Usual suspects" is anyone that does not walk lockstep (or is it goose step?) with your opinions?

Which if that is the case, how can anyone know what that opinion is, if instead of answers from you,when asked, we get childish imations of water fowl?

Come on I think you can manage to rub a few of those vaunted brain cells you have together and come up with an answer.



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I think she's implying folks are ducking questions. A conclusion you could reach without being called a quack.

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I think she's implying folks are ducking questions. A conclusion you could reach without being called a quack.

WOW....I thought is was a forum for adults...I never backed up that far!...seriously???that is what it means?

So, when I ask "who are the usual suspects"? that is "ducking questions"? sumthin wrong here lucy!

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Jeanne you know I like and respect you. But it is getting tiring seeing you turn everything into a race issue.

It becomes a seriously weak argument when everything is racist. I am not saying that racism does not exist in the world, but not everything is about race. Everything that you dont agree with seems to come down to racism.

It doesnt hold water.

This is a little of topic...I saw an article today that talked about how schools are becoming segregated again. NAACP is all up in arms about it. Whitey is getting together and keeping the poor minorities down by giving them shitty schools again. This is such bullshit.

Schools are running out of money. They are laying off teachers, cutting programs (music, sports, art). It is only logical that they should look for other ways to save money. One of those ways is to get rid of the high cost of busing people in from other places.

If parents want their kids to go to different schools. Then they need to move to those areas. If those areas are to expensive for the parents to afford...whose fault is that? I would like to live on Central Park West, but I cant afford it. Should I start blaming the white man for keeping me down. I am half black so it would be justified right? I mean I am a part of a bigger minority than people that are 100% black or 100% Hispanic.

The truth is that ANYONE can make anything of themselves these days. The ones that don't... make those choices themselves.

I have black relatives that live in poverty and blame the white man for all their problems. All the while, they have a brother that refused to use racism as an excuse and is an attorney and makes really good money. He laughs at his siblings when they complain they cant get a good job because of racism. He went to the same schools and grew up in the same neighborhood. Had the same parents. People make there own choices in life. Problem is, it seems these days it is to easy to blame others instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

I know this doesn't have to do with voting, but everyone of your posts I have read today seems to have racism in it somewhere.

Dom

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why did they start busing?

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So let me get this right... you do not see any racial component by some of the posters here who hate ACORN so vociferously.



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Why they started busing and why they are not busing now are two different issues

Dom

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So let me get this right... you do not see any racial component by some of the posters here who hate ACORN so vociferously.



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DUDE.. I just picked up lease options on that old stone bridge across the East River... do you want in on the deal for a modest investment???

Again, you only see one possible reason for this. I have been called a racist on on here as well. That is so far from the truth.

I dont hate ACORN but they have done some seriously stupid shit that leaves them open for these types of attacks. You blindly defend them and don't hold them accountable for anything.

Dom

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Why they started busing and why they are not busing now are two different issues

they're a continuation - now why did busing start? do you know your history?

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So let me get this right... you do not see any racial component by some of the posters here who hate ACORN so vociferously.



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DUDE.. I just picked up lease options on that old stone bridge across the East River... do you want in on the deal for a modest investment???

Again, you only see one possible reason for this. I have been called a racist on on here as well. That is so far from the truth.

I dont hate ACORN but they have done some seriously stupid shit that leaves them open for these types of attacks. You blindly defend them and don't hold them accountable for anything.

On the contrary... but those who have been calling for shutting them down for what a few crooked part time hires did is also seriously stupid.

Perhaps if the USUAL SUSPECTS were calling for ANY voter fraud such as that implied by the CEO of Diebold.. and proven by just how easy it was to do.... or the instances of voter suppression tht have occured across the country in "conservative districts" were treated equally it would be different. Pardon me if I see that imbalance as just what it really is.

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they're a continuation - now why did busing start? do you know your history?

I do know my history. Probably more then you do on the issue of race. In fact I can guaranty I know more about racism then you ever will. We are talking about the here and now. Not why busing started.

Dom

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so you're ok with segregation?

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>so you're ok with segregation?

I am strongly in favor of segregating freeflyers from belly flyers.

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>so you're ok with segregation?

I am strongly in favor of segregating freeflyers from belly flyers.

separate planes even?

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so you're ok with segregation

Do not try to turn this into a race issue. It is not.

I am not in favor of segregation at all. That is not what this is about. It is about not wasting money busing people around just so we can say that schools are not segregated. People segregate themselves. There is no conspiracy to keep minorities out of good schools. Even though the NAACP, Al Sharpton and the likes will tell you otherwise.

The truth (weather you want to hear it or not) is that it is easier for people to blame others for the lives that they live then to do something about it.

Again. I am not in favor of segregation but I am in favor of people taking responsibility for their own lives and the situations that they find themselves in. If you are not happy with your life and surroundings do something about it. Don't expect everyone else to do something about it for you.

If minorities don't like the school district they live in...fucking move. Like I said before, if they cant afford to live in an area with a nice school district they should do something to improve their finances.

People bitch that money for schools goes to the "rich white areas". It is just ridiculous. Money goes to where it is collected from.

I will admit that it is not easy to break a cycle of poverty but when parents don't stress education to their children or the importance of putting in a hard days work it will never be broken.

Back when busing started it was a great idea. Desegregation worked. It worked because it really was a problem...back then.

Now days (with a few exceptions of course) the people that are being bused have segregated themselves. By the choices they made in life. I am tired of paying for them to send their kids to a different school.

That is not going to help. In fact it is being proven that when we bus people in it brings down the schools that they are being bused to. Why? Because the problem starts with their own parents. Not society.

If you want to see examples of this? Come stay with me for a week. I will show you what you don't see. Ill show you the people that "benefit" from busing. Ill show you the attitude they have learned from their parents. I will show you the disrespect paid by them to other races. I will show you the two kids I saw on the subway this morning that threatened a "stupid white bitch" because she had the nerve to put her hand on the same pole that they were using. So she could steady herself and not fall over when the subway car stopped. These where 14 or 15 year olds. Talking to a women in her late 40's or 50's. I don't blame the kids for the way the act (even though I hold them responsible). I blame the parents. I can guaranty that they learned this at home. These are not the type of people that I want to have my tax money spent on.

Dom

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so you're ok with segregation

Do not try to turn this into a race issue. It is not.

it is exactly that.

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so you want your tax money to go to white people but not blacks?

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So let me get this right... you do not see any racial component by some of the posters here who hate ACORN so vociferously.



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DUDE.. I just picked up lease options on that old stone bridge across the East River... do you want in on the deal for a modest investment???

Does this, therefore, mean that because you see some racial component by "some" posters that the criticism of ACORN is invalid? True, these are merely "some" representatives of ACORN who were the problem. However, when "some" of these people are under an organization and the same problems are being seen across the country, one may legitimately ask whether there is something to the climate of the place.

What's wrong is wrong, and to defend wrong on the basis that the wrong person is pointing it out is not only hypocritical, but also smacks of the elitism that you claim to be against.

That there is some characteristic of those who point out convictions that you do not like is EXACTLY what prejudice and bigotry are about. There is something about those people that you find unworthy.

Maybe they ARE only pointing out that people from ACORN are being convicted of voter fraud because they are racists. I'd think that, no matter WHAT the reason is for pointing it out, you'd be looking at the alegations through a clear lens. You are not.

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>so you want your tax money to go to white people but not blacks?

I'd be all for that. No one is really all that white; most people are sort of a pinkish tan. That way no one gets tax money.

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Hey! Nice! The article cites professor Hasen - whose brilliance rubbed off on me as I was in his class. LOYOLA!!!

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On another note, I have noticed that later on in this thread it descended into a race issue. Instead of looking at a problem (election fraud, ACORN, etc) and perhaps finding some solutions and having a discussion about them, the race-card has been played and now the discussion is about racism.

Dream Dancer knows that this is indefensible, but feels that ACORN and its employees have been wronged. Much like hardcore Republicans defending Bush made them look like partisan twits without a grasp on reality, we see that they are balanced out by equal intellectual vacuity on the left.

The race card has been played! No longer is this thread about ACORN. Rather, it's about racism. Specifically, it has moved to being about dom (as black as our President) defending himself against racism allegations. It's not about ACORN.

Toby Dom - please stop playing into the game. Racism is a serious allegation. They know this. This is why they change the subject from "ACORN workers being convicted" to ACORN only being attacked by racists. They've changed the subject and got you on the defensive.

As an independent person, they know you won't play the race card back on them so they keep going with it. Personally, I don't think they like the thought that you don't think as you are told to think - you aren't supposed to do that. They are the correct color for intellectual matters. Your racial makeup has nothing to do with your understanding of racism in America. They think that you simply cannot know about it nearly as much as a purebreed white person can. They've told you as much.

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I am confused. You replied to me?

And the Prof. comment is that a quote or your statement?

Sorry, to me it looks like you quoted a ply of mine, and I can't find where I posted any thing beyond the Vote fraud topic.

I'm sorry for the distraction.

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So... why do YOU believe that conservatives in droves hate ACORN so vociferously councilor. Is it all just about winning elections no matter HOW slimy the underlying reasons for such tactics???

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-ACORN-Scandal

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I could probably find another opinion piece masquerading as a news article diametrically opposed to yours but that would have as little standing as the link you provided.
Now I'm just popping corn and waiting to see it I get called something new instead of the same tired insults

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I could probably find another opinion piece masquerading as a news article diametrically opposed to yours but that would have as little standing as the link you provided.
Now I'm just popping corn and waiting to see it I get called something new instead of the same tired insults

Suppressing ANY votes by any group flies in the face of what America is all about... that whole one person ... one vote thing

Yeah yeah... I know.. that would NEVER happen right???

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So... why do YOU believe that conservatives in droves hate ACORN so vociferously councilor.

Mainly because they specifically targeted "progressive" voters in an effort to elect one political party over the other. Furthermore, that ACORN used federal funds in doing so.

Had ACORN called itself a PAC, there wouldn't be a problem. BUT - ACORN was tax-exempt and required to be non-partisan. It was not.

ACORN's stated mission "aims to organize a majority consituency of low- to moderate-income people across the United States. The members of ACORN take on issues of relevance to their communities, whether those issues are discrimination, affordable housing, a quality education, or better public services. ACORN believes that low- to moderate-income people are the best advocates for their communities, and so ACORN's low- to moderate-income members act as leaders, spokespeople, and decision-makers within the organization."

In getting these voters, ACORN uses partisan tactics and partisan arguments - asking questions and providing guidance. Such as asking these low-income citizens whether they think that the minimum wage should be increased. If they answer yes, they register them to vote. If they answer no, then "Thank you for your time."

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Is it all just about winning elections no matter HOW slimy the underlying reasons for such tactics???

Well stated! ACORN was just about winning elections no matter how slimy the underlying methodology. ACORN got over 50 million federal dollars since 1994.

ACORN says it is non-partisan and has been non-partisan. Well, the non-partisan ACORN endorsed a presidential candidate.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC7zm

"But lawrocket," you may say. "That was ACORN's PAC." To which I say, "Yes. But Maude Hurd was and is ACORN's national president. In fact, she stated,

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What it came down to was that Senator Obama is the candidate who best understands and can affect change on the issues ACORN cares about like stopping foreclosures, enacting fair and comprehensive immigration reform, and building stronger and safer communities across America.”

These are PARTISAN issues. ACORN receives federal money to be non-partisan, and they act partisan and register voters whom they know will vote for people ACORN supports.

THAT is the problem. ACORN receives money to register voters. It used that money to register voters based on issues and demographics. Yes - ACORN PROFILED! They looked for voters they thought would vote for Democrats.

This is contrary to the law. It is contrary to fair play.

Just admit it, Jeanne: You love cheating when your side is doing it. And expecting ACORN to abide by the laws necessary for the tax breaks and federal funding that it receives is then considered "all about winning elections no matter how slimy the underlying reasons..."

Here's something, Jeanne. My reasons aren't "underlying." They are patent and they are stated. I HATE cheaters. I HATE bullies. I HATE anybody who does not play by the rules and I don't give a shit whether it's someone on my side or not.

For too long in this country, the positive political goals that I like to see have been reached by nefarious means. Yes, Jeanne, I would rather lose fair and square than win by cheating. You are no better than some right-wing, Patriot Act-loving, flag waiving police-state despot. They don't follow rules, either.

I've told you many times that you are what you claim to despise. You do the same thing only coming from a different side. I call you on it. I call everyone on it.

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