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masterblaster72    0

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/german-president-horst-kohler-quits

Just a short glance into Germany's future - what a jewel!



That was in May - your point is ... ?

What a surprise: After nearly 6 months, someone overseas noticed that we had a *change* in presidency :)


Give him some credit -- at least he noticed. :P

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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winsor    236

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/german-president-horst-kohler-quits

Just a short glance into Germany's recent past - what a jewel!



I did not go to the German source to see what he actually said, but I do not see where anything in his position is ill-considered. His position was unpopular, not stupid.

Palin is an idiot. If she says something that is accurate, it is a matter of happenstance. She shows no sign of being able to differentiate between the valid and the nonsensical.

The only comparison between the two is that they both left their positons, but it ends there. Palin somehow thinks she is qualified to stay in the game after she abandoned her post. Kohler simply hung it up and left.

Would that we had someone with his stones on this side of the pond.


BSBD,

Winsor

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Palin is an idiot. If she says something that is accurate, it is a matter of happenstance. She shows no sign of being able to differentiate between the valid and the nonsensical.



Sarah Palin: 'We've got to stand with our North Korean Allies' :S
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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JohnRich    4

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Here's a point, for all the partisan haters, if you can step down off of your high horses long enough to consider something.

Everyone makes verbal gaffes now and then. Everyone. Even you and me. No one is immune.

The difference with these public figures is that they're often on camera when they do it. All it means is that they're human, and maybe they're under pressure, and their mind is racing ahead of their tongue. We've all done it. When it happens, it does not serve as any kind of proof that the person is an idiot overall. Obama has made many verbal gaffes also, and I don't see any of you Palin-haters calling him an idiot for it, and judging him unfit for public office. So this false furor over gaffes is nothing but stupid partisan game-playing, which means absolutely nothing.

Here is Sarah Palin's response to all this hype about her gaffe:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=463364218434

I now return you to your regular partisan hate-spewing, as per forum norms. Thank you.

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shropshire    0

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O.K - but does she have any , I mean any redeeming features - that would suggest that she would be a worthy candidate at any level of governments, let alone the top job in the US of A?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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DSE    5

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No doubt, you're 110% right, John. We all make "oops" and when you're in the spotlight it's easier even still.

However in the case of Sarah Palin, she is a journalism major and yet still can't utter a grammatically correct sentence. Or perhaps she is able but instead is playing "hick" for the masses.
She wants to be the leader of the free world; Palin needs to get her geography and English on.

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JohnRich    4

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However in the case of Sarah Palin, she is a journalism major and yet still can't utter a grammatically correct sentence. Or perhaps she is able but instead is playing "hick" for the masses.
She wants to be the leader of the free world; Palin needs to get her geography and English on.



Regarding Barry Obama's gaffes, for example when he said he had campaigned in 57 states, would you also say that this is a valid observation?:

"However in the case of Barack Obama, he is a Harvard educated lawyer and yet still can't utter a geographically correct sentence. Or perhaps he is able but instead is playing "brother" for the masses. He is the leader of the free world; Obama needs to get his geography and English on."

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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20102010/58/bundesliga-merkel-apologises-dressing-room-gaffe.html

Just a short glance into Germany's future - what a jewel!



So I guess you and most of the Americans you know are not the descendants of immigrants then John?
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Skyrad    0

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Palin is an idiot. If she says something that is accurate, it is a matter of happenstance. She shows no sign of being able to differentiate between the valid and the nonsensical.



Sarah Palin: 'We've got to stand with our North Korean Allies' :S


Whos the idiot, Ms Palin or the people who voted for her?
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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JohnRich    4

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So I guess you and most of the Americans you know are not the descendants of immigrants then John?



So I guess you are completely missing my point in this forum, Skyrad?
Even though I spelled it out quite explicitly in message #8?
And of course, you have to notice that this thread coexists along with the other "Real Gem" thread...

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Whos the idiot, Ms Palin or the people who voted for her?



Who's the bigot? The people who call someone an idiot because of a few verbal gaffes, or the people who generalize idiocy to an entire wide-ranging class of people based upon for whom they voted?

Is everyone who voted for Obama an idiot, because Obama said he had visited 57 states?

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Skyrad    0

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Just a short glance into Germany's future - what a jewel!



Doesn't give us much to go on John. A bit to ambiguous, as for post 8 I wasn't sure if you were still making the same point or addressing the previous post. Now i understand what you were trying to say I redact my post.
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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winsor    236

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Here's a point, for all the partisan haters, if you can step down off of your high horses long enough to consider something.

Everyone makes verbal gaffes now and then. Everyone. Even you and me. No one is immune.

The difference with these public figures is that they're often on camera when they do it. All it means is that they're human, and maybe they're under pressure, and their mind is racing ahead of their tongue. We've all done it. When it happens, it does not serve as any kind of proof that the person is an idiot overall. Obama has made many verbal gaffes also, and I don't see any of you Palin-haters calling him an idiot for it, and judging him unfit for public office. So this false furor over gaffes is nothing but stupid partisan game-playing, which means absolutely nothing.

Here is Sarah Palin's response to all this hype about her gaffe:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=463364218434

I now return you to your regular partisan hate-spewing, as per forum norms. Thank you.



Okay, Palin is not an idiot by dint of her verbal gaffes, she is an idiot who is prone to verbal gaffes.

Obama is not unfit for public office because of his gaffes, either. Far from being an idiot, he is possessed of political genius at the very least; he is unfit for office because he is entirely unqualified to occupy it. Where his limitations exist, they are total. To come up to speed with what he needs to know to successfully execute the tasks required of him would require years of dedicated study, and there is a good chance that he is fundamentally incapable of catching on. Bob Bondurant observed that there are some people who can drive in traffic without problems, but simply cannot master the skills necessary to survive going to the limit.

Just because I think one side sucks out loud, please do not assume that I have the slightest bit more affinity for the other side. Both sides of the aisle are proof that the scum rises to the top.


BSBD,

Winsor

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JohnRich    4

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Okay, Palin is not an idiot by dint of her verbal gaffes, she is an idiot who is prone to verbal gaffes.

Obama is not unfit for public office because of his gaffes, either. Far from being an idiot, he is possessed of political genius at the very least; he is unfit for office because he is entirely unqualified to occupy it...



The following comments are in reply to Winsor, but are directed at the audience in general.

There you go - now we're getting somewhere. We shouldn't brand people idiots simply because they make a verbal gaffe now and then. If you think someone is an idiot, at least provide some objective basis for the comment, such as Winsor is doing here. Put some facts and logic behind the reason you think someone is an idiot. That at least shows that you're thinking rationally, and not just being a knee-jerk idiot yourself.

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O.K - but does she have any , I mean any redeeming features - that would suggest that she would be a worthy candidate at any level of governments, let alone the top job in the US of A?



At least one. She's a Republican:)

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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SkyDekker    1,465

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There you go - now we're getting somewhere. We shouldn't brand people idiots because they make a verbal gaffe now and then. If you think someone is an idiot, at least provide some objective basis for the comment, such as Winsor is doing here. Put some facts and logic behind the reason you think someone is an idiot. That at least shows that you're thinking rationally, and not just being a knee-jerk idiot yourself.



I agree with you in general. Though I am somewhat surprised people need justification to understand Sarah Palin is an idiot. Unless of course, they have been living under a rock.

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There you go - now we're getting somewhere. We shouldn't brand people idiots because they make a verbal gaffe now and then. If you think someone is an idiot, at least provide some objective basis for the comment, such as Winsor is doing here. Put some facts and logic behind the reason you think someone is an idiot. That at least shows that you're thinking rationally, and not just being a knee-jerk idiot yourself.



I agree with you in general. Though I am somewhat surprised people need justification to understand Sarah Palin is an idiot. Unless of course, they have been living under a rock.



It may help the "under-rock dwellers" to list specific examples of Palin's actual actions or quotes/writings that would clearly demonstrate her idiocy. That would give her followers an opportunity to answer, defend or debate each charge of idiotic behavior. The same could be done for other politicians or public figures. That would at least move a discussion beyond unqualified name-calling. I would expect that the idiot label is not directly attached to the person's political alignment or occasional gaffe. The charges do not need to be restricted to idiocy. For example, incompetence, qualifications, dereliction, etc. could also be listed and discussed. I would expect that among adults a differentiation could be recognized between actual idiocy and political ideology (maybe not). That discussion might be an interesting read.

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>Here's a point, for all the partisan haters, if you can step down off of your
>high horses long enough to consider something.

>Everyone makes verbal gaffes now and then. Everyone. Even you and
>me. No one is immune.

Agreed.

>I now return you to your regular partisan hate-spewing . . .

Indeed; it only took you four posts to return to yours.

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