Gee - who'd have thought that Senator Jay Rockefeller . . .

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. . . was against the 1st constitutional amendment, that he has sworn to up hold.

Buisness as usual for those guys, I guess.

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A powerful Democratic senator, pointing the finger at cable news for a politically toxic climate in Washington, unleashed a stunning tirade in which he expressed his desire to see the Federal Communications Commission shut down Fox News and MSNBC.

I guess Fox and MSNBC haven't been leaning forward enough for him.

My guess is that this is retaliation for being called out (indistinctly, but obviously) in an interview on MSNBC.



i like it when the the dogs eat their own.


P.S. Maybe he should investigate who and what the FCC controls as well.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[JohnRich 4]

If only the government could control the media, then we could all live happily ever after in peace.

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Maybe he should investigate who and what the FCC controls as well.

http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/

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It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.

Be afraid, be very afraid!

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Isn't the FCC's job to censor radio and tv?

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Isn't the FCC's job to censor radio and tv?

It's far from its only function; but yes, generally speaking, that essentially is one of its functions. Ever since such government regulation first began back in the radio-only days, there has been an ongoing debate (often manifested via litigation) re: the inherent conflict between such regulation and the First Amendment. That debate will never be resolved.

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Isn't the FCC's job to censor radio and tv?

It's far from its only function; but yes, generally speaking, that essentially is one of its functions. Ever since such government regulation first began back in the radio-only days, there has been an ongoing debate (often manifested via litigation) re: the inherent conflict between such regulation and the First Amendment. That debate will never be resolved.

meanwhile Rockefeller trys to stomp on the 1st amendment.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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meanwhile Rockefeller trys to stomp on the 1st amendment.

Well, it depends on whether he was just verbalizing frustration, or intended to be taken literally. If the latter, fuck 'im.

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meanwhile Rockefeller trys to stomp on the 1st amendment.

Well, it depends on whether he was just verbalizing frustration, or intended to be taken literally. If the latter, fuck 'im.

I didn't read anything in there that would help me believe he wasn't serious about his want to dissasemble Fox and MSNBC.

But why stop there? He'd have to regulate ALL cable channels then.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Andy9o8 2]

I really wouldn't sweat it. He's not powerful enough that one man's rant will have any effect.

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I really wouldn't sweat it. He's not powerful enough that one man's rant will have any effect.

He needs to be voted out of office.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I really wouldn't sweat it. He's not powerful enough that one man's rant will have any effect.

He needs to be voted out of office.

Unlikely. In DC, he's a skilled, moderate coalition-builder. At home, he gets very high marks for legislation that benefits his home state, as well as for constituent services. All politics is local, as they say, and at the end of the day he only answers to the voters of W. Va. Plus, quite frankly, first amendment issues may be important to nerds like me, but to the average person in W. Va. they're really not a blip on the radar.

[wmw999 2,589]

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I'm tired of the right and the left," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller said Wednesday during a Senate hearing on retransmission consent. "There's a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to Fox and to MSNBC, 'Out. Off. End. Goodbye.'

Ya know, personally I think he's got a point , but no, it doesn't sound like he's really serious about wanting anything shut down.

Personally, I think that the wedge-driving programs that are on (including ones like Olbermann, Beck, Savage, etc) are a real detriment to the country. Instead of having us work on solving problems, they seem to want us to focus on finger-pointing.

Remember that whole "e pluribus unum" and "united we stand, divided we fall" thing? Well, what is all this divisiveness doing for us as a country?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Remember that whole "e pluribus unum" and "united we stand, divided we fall" thing?

Nah. Before my time.
So - what was it like?

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Remember that whole "e pluribus unum" and "united we stand, divided we fall" thing?

Nah. Before my time.
So - what was it like?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Remember that whole "e pluribus unum" and "united we stand, divided we fall" thing? Well, what is all this divisiveness doing for us as a country?

Having groups of people with different opinions is not "divisiveness" - it's freedom.

Censoring opinions which some people don't agree with is tyranny.

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Having groups of people with different opinions is not "divisiveness" - it's freedom.

Openly disagreeing with each other is freedom. Calling each other goat fuckers* is divisiveness.







* when false

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Having groups of people with different opinions is not "divisiveness" - it's freedom.

Openly disagreeing with each other is freedom. Calling each other goat fuckers* is divisiveness.







* when false

Does intent have any bearing?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Andy9o8 2]

Intent to do what? The goat?

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Intent to do what? The goat?

Yes.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Having groups of people with different opinions is not "divisiveness" - it's freedom.

Openly disagreeing with each other is freedom. Calling each other goat fuckers* is divisiveness.


* when false

Does intent have any bearing?

I would think so.

When the intent is to belittle, ridicule or otherwise bully your opponent, then it is divisive.

Just like interrupting your opponent, refusing to answer questions, changing the subject or saying "That how liberals (or conservatives or whatever) argue".

Not being willing to listen to and consider the merits as well as the liabilities of each others arguments (including the liabilities of your own arguments) isn't "freedom."

However, if you are calling someone a "goat fucker" to distinguish them from sheep fuckers, cow fuckers or any other animal-sexual, then it is simply identifying them

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[wmw999 2,589]

That's true. But when one is anonymous, it's easy to judge others only by their opinions. You know me in person, not just on the net. Is the picture more complete knowing me in person? I know that my picture of you is far more complete.

I think the medium of divisive-opinion radio tries to get people grouped and rabble-roused based on single issues, or groups of issues, trying for a my-way-or-the-highway "resolution" to issues.

This feels good to some people (power-oriented) when they succeed, and gives them something to feel under-doggish about when they don't succeed. Neither is particularly useful when trying to find resolutions to complex problems that affect different people in different ways. What's right for one group of Americans might actually be actively damaging for another group; saying that it's up to that group to be louder or stronger goes against some of what our country is about. Yes, it's a democracy and republic. But actually listening to the other side is a valuable exercise in considering one's own opinions' validity.

At least in my HO.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)