dreamdancer 0 #26 November 10, 2010 which you can't stop - just like you couldn't stop israel from getting nuclear weapons (or india or pakistan).stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #27 November 10, 2010 Quoteno, you prove that if these latest peace plans don't work we won't end up with a nuclear/world war - because it is looking increasingly likely. Tell me how to prove a figment of the future. Why won't you state your position, not your feelings, that prove that the lands are being taken illegally?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #28 November 10, 2010 i notice you don't tell me how you're going to stop iran getting nuclear weapons like israel has.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #29 November 10, 2010 Quotei notice you don't tell me how you're going to stop iran getting nuclear weapons like israel has. This is the title of the thread . . . Wanna try to stay on topic instead of deflecting to an unrelated subject? QuoteIsraeli plan to build hundreds of homes in West Bank settlement risks US anger I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #30 November 10, 2010 Quote no, you prove that if these latest peace plans don't work we won't end up with a nuclear/world war - because it is looking increasingly likely. Have you seen the "How liberals argue" video?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #31 November 10, 2010 QuoteQuotei notice you don't tell me how you're going to stop iran getting nuclear weapons like israel has. This is the title of the thread . . . Wanna try to stay on topic instead of deflecting to an unrelated subject? QuoteIsraeli plan to build hundreds of homes in West Bank settlement risks US anger you're the one who mentioned iran - and the reason that the israeli plan to build hundreds of homes on west bank land is angering the us is that there is the very real possibility that if these peace talks break down it will lead to a nuclear/world war.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #32 November 10, 2010 QuoteAnd wasn't Jordan supposed to be the Palestinian country?To that last, no, it wasn't. The west bank, which was captured by Jordan in 1948, was supposed to house the Palestinians, according to a 1949 armistice. But it was never a "real" part of Jordan. It went to Israel in the 1967 war, and Israel began putting settlements there. "To the victors go the spoils" is one way of looking at it, but just walking in and taking away homes is likely to result in an outcry from the people who were formerly living there. There wasn't even the fiction of selling, as was the case with the internment of Japanese descendants in the US in WW2. They just walked in from what I understand. Without significant other alternatives for a good life, it's not unreasonable that the Palestinians would be pissed. I have a cousin in the family; he moved here in the 50's or early 60's, and he doesn't talk about it with anyone. Maybe his wife, but if so, it doesn't go any farther. I daresay it's still not a happy subject. After all -- the Jews are still pissed about being exiled from Israel, and from Germany and Eastern Europe (yeah, I'm shit-stirring here). Why wouldn't the Palestinians be pissed about being exiled, even if under less fatal conditions? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 November 10, 2010 Quotei notice you don't tell me how you're going to stop iran getting nuclear weapons like israel has. Israel is the one likely to the do the stopping. You can review your 80s history. As for your childish predictions of a world nuclear war, review the past 60 years of history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 November 11, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote so you vote for war too. I vote to protect one's own property from someone that is illegally trying to take it. so you agree with the UN (and your government) that illegal israeli building should stop. Sense when was THAT the opinion? Ohhh I forgot, we now have a Muslim on office... it is very apt that you use a 'crazy' emoticon at the end of this sentence. You noticed that too huh ... we do not agree on very much.. but thinking that Presidnet Obama is a muslim proves a severe disconect from reality AKA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 November 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteAnd wasn't Jordan supposed to be the Palestinian country?To that last, no, it wasn't. The west bank, which was captured by Jordan in 1948, was supposed to house the Palestinians, according to a 1949 armistice. But it was never a "real" part of Jordan. It went to Israel in the 1967 war, and Israel began putting settlements there. "To the victors go the spoils" is one way of looking at it, but just walking in and taking away homes is likely to result in an outcry from the people who were formerly living there. There wasn't even the fiction of selling, as was the case with the internment of Japanese descendants in the US in WW2. They just walked in from what I understand. Without significant other alternatives for a good life, it's not unreasonable that the Palestinians would be pissed. I have a cousin in the family; he moved here in the 50's or early 60's, and he doesn't talk about it with anyone. Maybe his wife, but if so, it doesn't go any farther. I daresay it's still not a happy subject. After all -- the Jews are still pissed about being exiled from Israel, and from Germany and Eastern Europe (yeah, I'm shit-stirring here). Why wouldn't the Palestinians be pissed about being exiled, even if under less fatal conditions? Wendy P. Dont forget the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were expelled from Arab countries across the Middle East and North Africa. No one like dreamdanceer seems to mind that part of the picture though... Funni Dat no?? We will be sure to get crickets on him from that one. From Wiki It is estimated that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were forced from their homes or fled the Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s; 260,000 reached Israel between 1948–1951, and 600,000 by 1972.[2][3][4] The Jews of Egypt and Libya were expelled while those of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and North Africa left as a result of physical and political insecurity. Almost all were forced to abandon their property.[3] By 2002 these Jews and their descendants constituted about 40% of Israel's population. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #36 November 11, 2010 QuoteWhy shouldnt they build homes there?, It is thier land! No, it's not "their land" and that's (part of) the problem. The Obama administration was/is our best chance in years for a chance to help encourage a peace settlement. Netanyahu has turned out to be more of an adversary than a partner. I'm pretty sure that we can think of better ways to spend $3 billion/yr than to give it to an unwilling peace partner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #37 November 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy shouldnt they build homes there?, It is thier land! No, it's not "their land" and that's (part of) the problem. The Obama administration was/is our best chance in years for a chance to help encourage a peace settlement. Netanyahu has turned out to be more of an adversary than a partner. I'm pretty sure that we can think of better ways to spend $3 billion/yr than to give it to an unwilling peace partner. It is their land...your support of a muslim tool , pretty much tells me of your opinion... Do you also think the Holocaust never happened? I'm betting you do! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #38 November 11, 2010 Quote the Holocaust never happened! so you say (how's your tinfoil hat)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #39 November 11, 2010 Quote It is their land...your support of a muslim tool , pretty much tells me of your opinion... What "muslim tool", the Geneva Conventions? QuoteDo you also think the Holocaust never happened? I'm betting you do! I'll take that bet. How much? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #40 November 11, 2010 Quote Quote the Holocaust never happened! so you say (how's your tinfoil hat) It was used to wrap red herring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 November 11, 2010 QuoteAt the very short meeting, less than an hour, the assembled High Contracting Parties did adopt a resolution censuring Israel. This was done in spite of the fact that there was no presentation of evidence or debate, just a politically motivated censure of Israel. With the al-Aqsa intifada more than a year old, there was no discussion of Palestinian terrorism, only complaints against Israel. In the 50+ years since its adoption, the Fourth Geneva Convention was convened only to discuss Israel, and never met to deal with world atrocities including those in Bosnia, Rwanda, Kosovo, Sudan, Congo, Tibet, and other troubled nations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #42 November 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteso you vote for war too. I vote to protect one's own property from someone that is illegally trying to take it. so you agree with the UN (and your government) that illegal israeli building should stop. If only you could deflect some of that energy, bashing Israelis, and use it to angrily and justly show some sort of repugnation for civilians being the targets of suicide bombers, we could believe some of the drivel we read from you."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #43 November 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteso you vote for war too. I vote to protect one's own property from someone that is illegally trying to take it. so you agree with the UN (and your government) that illegal israeli building should stop. If only you could deflect some of that energy, bashing Israelis, and use it to angrily and justly show some sort of repugnation for civilians being the targets of suicide bombers, we could believe some of the drivel we read from you. And if only you could reflect some of that energy, bashing Israeli critics, and use it to angrily and justly show some sort of repugnation for the the inhuman apartheid policies, which are often in direct conflict with the claims and espoused desires of the Israeli government, we could believe some of the drivel from blindly apologetic Israeli supporters. One honest question, over the last couple of years, have the Palestinians or the Israelis put up more barriers to peace talks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #44 November 12, 2010 Lol apartheid, you obviously have never set a foot in either Israel, and Palestine. It is curious though that a poster clearly stated an often overlooked fact in this diatribe, which is basically that the spoils from the Arab countries to grab and hold palestinian grounds, was never given to the Palestinians. So we have a period of 1949, to 1967 where nobody is pissed at all, it is still Israel's fault. You keep saying inhumane, but all the arabs in Israel, and palestinian in Israel are enjoying tolerance, no one wants to kicked them out, only people who wear bombs and try to kill people are sought. I have spent much of my energy in the past few years trying to go after the same people...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #45 November 12, 2010 Quote Lol apartheid, you obviously have never set a foot in either Israel, and Palestine. there is no palestine as yet - not long now though stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #46 November 12, 2010 Quote Quote Lol apartheid, you obviously have never set a foot in either Israel, and Palestine. Quote there is no palestine as yet - not long now though I noticed you glazed over this part - Any comments?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #47 November 12, 2010 Quote You keep saying inhumane, but all the arabs in Israel, and palestinian in Israel are enjoying tolerance, no one wants to kicked them out, only people who wear bombs and try to kill people are sought. That may be true for inside Israel but it's not the case for the West Bank and Gaza, and Jerusalem for that matter. Many DO want to kick them out and are intolerant of those who don't leave. The "apartheid" term applies to the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank. Gaza is more of a prison camp with only one "class" of people. Quote I have spent much of my energy in the past few years trying to go after the same people.... I appreciate that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #48 November 14, 2010 This is so wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11751713 And if these specifics are correct then I'm thoroughly disgusted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #49 November 14, 2010 Whenever I read these articles, I wonder why the writers act like Palestinians are one group under one set of leaders. Would anyone say Abbas and Hamas are the same? And what are the incentives for Israel to sit down and make concessions during peace talks when the folks they're talking to can't or won't reign in the ones that are actually attacking Israel? But most of all, how can you have peace talks with people unwilling to recognize your country as a country? QuoteLast month, Mr Netanyahu offered to renew the freeze if the Palestinians recognised Israel as a Jewish state, but the Palestinian leadership dismissed the proposal as unfair.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #50 November 14, 2010 Quote But most of all, how can you have peace talks with people unwilling to recognize your country as a country? QuoteLast month, Mr Netanyahu offered to renew the freeze if the Palestinians recognised Israel as a Jewish state, but the Palestinian leadership dismissed the proposal as unfair. People don't seem to catch the difference between "recognizing Israel" and "recognizing Israel as a Jewish state". Netanhahu knows that's a non-starter for discussion which is why he chose that wording. We just offered them what is essentially a very expensive bribe just to stop construction for another three months so negotiations can continue. Peace makers should be annoyed with Israel's response. Deficit hawks should be pissed. Regardless of your angle, it's very difficult for anyone to argue that Israel is not the impediment to the peace process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
