rhys 0 #176 November 6, 2010 QuoteRhys how could several buildings full of people have been rigged to collapse via use of explosives without anyone noticing? It would have taken a hell of a lot of det cord and would have been unmissble. The probelm with you theory there is that you use the assumtion that traditional domolition processes would have had to have been used. The evidence in the reside which is discussed here in this paper explains that this is obviously not the case."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #177 November 6, 2010 QuoteWouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely difficult to maneuver? It was a 757 not a Casa. A 757 with only 64 people on would hardly have a W&B problem anyway you put it with only 64 onboard.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #178 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteWouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely difficult to maneuver? It was a 757 not a Casa. A 757 with only 64 people on would hardly have a W&B problem anyway you put it with only 64 onboard. I see. So the plane even with all those people in the back would have flown alright. Still , something about the Olsen phone call is bothering me. See ,Ted told us that Barbara said the pilots were in the back of the plane with her and she wanted Solicitor General Ted Olsen to tell her what she should tell them to do. I don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. How did the pilots leave the cockpit and how did the hijackers get in? I think maybe a new investigation may be in order. DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #179 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bleeding heart liberal......., that thinks we killed our own people, and it was all a conspiracy...Gotcha, thanks for the explination! I don't know who killed them. I think a proper investigation is in order to find out. Got a problem with that?Quote Do you seriously think that lowly about the American Government? I don't think very highly of the American government when I consider them at all. DLJ That has become Obvious....BTW, Did you hear about area 51? ohhh yeah...and Bigfoot.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,566 #180 November 6, 2010 QuoteOK, fine all these things can be explained . That's great. Cool. So what's your problem?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #181 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bleeding heart liberal......., that thinks we killed our own people, and it was all a conspiracy...Gotcha, thanks for the explination! I don't know who killed them. I think a proper investigation is in order to find out. Got a problem with that?Quote Do you seriously think that lowly about the American Government? I don't think very highly of the American government when I consider them at all. DLJ That has become Obvious....BTW, Did you hear about area 51? ohhh yeah...and Bigfoot.... Have you heard of the Gulf of Tomkin incident or the USS Liberty? DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #182 November 6, 2010 >Wouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely >difficult to maneuver? It would have certainly changed the aicraft's center of gravity. But keep in mind we're talking about 58 passengers. That's a total weight of about 9800 pounds. The aircraft probably weighed about 200,000 pounds at the time of the hijacking. (Max takeoff weight is 255,000 pounds.) As a comparison it would be like three skydivers moving to the back of an Otter. It's definitely noticeable, but in general Otters have no problem with even ten people back there. Now, if the Otter were to try to land like that the pilot might indeed have more trouble than normal - but the hijackers were not intending to land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,566 #183 November 6, 2010 QuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #184 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. Not until "after" 911....Oh Myyy Gawdddddd, they held back on having them, until they could blwo the WTC...now it all makes................No! ......sorry, still gebberish to think "we " had anything to do with it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #185 November 6, 2010 Quote>Wouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely >difficult to maneuver? It would have certainly changed the aicraft's center of gravity. But keep in mind we're talking about 58 passengers. That's a total weight of about 9800 pounds. The aircraft probably weighed about 200,000 pounds at the time of the hijacking. (Max takeoff weight is 255,000 pounds.) As a comparison it would be like three skydivers moving to the back of an Otter. It's definitely noticeable, but in general Otters have no problem with even ten people back there. Now, if the Otter were to try to land like that the pilot might indeed have more trouble than normal - but the hijackers were not intending to land. Fine , but as the flight data recorder indicates the cockpit door never opened during the flight, was Ted Olsen lying when he told us that the pilots were in the back of the plane with his wife when she called? And how did the hijackers enter the cockpit without opening the door? DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #186 November 6, 2010 >I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #187 November 6, 2010 QuoteWe can and we have. I have already told you to grab some dirt and get it tested. Most likely it contains at least a trace of similar material and almost certainly contains all the elements. Bill has given you a link to where the stuff is manufactured commercially. hey guy, HOW ABOUT YOU ADDRESS THE NANOTHERMITE RED GREY CHIPS, that is the composition I am talking about, I am aware that iron microsherses 'could' be generated by another process, but nano thermite can ONLY be produced in a lab. Ignoring the thermite is ignorant, and you keep doing so. Such as bill does, this does nothing for the credibility of your argument. Unless you address this composition and not conveniently going back to talking about silica spheres, which have nothing to do with the evidence we are supposed to be discussing, then I will not reply to your points. Straw man tactics are used to move the subject away from the point, this is what you are doing."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #188 November 6, 2010 My gawd, I ignored this thread for a long time....jusy read it today, my fucking ribs are hurting from laughing! OP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! But I gotta thank you for the laughs... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #189 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Not your fault. I know it's hard with a second language. I'm sure my Farsi isn't as good as your English but I appreciate your attempts . If you are attempting to say that the door sensor failed , the sensor would have dinged the flight data recorder during self diagnosis and the flight would not have been allowed to take off. Off course alll dinging of the cockpit door sensor aside, The flight data recorder shows the alltitude too high to hit the Pentagon. Perhaps an investigation is in order to find the facts of what happened that day. DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #190 November 6, 2010 >If you are attempting to say that the door sensor failed , the sensor >would have dinged the flight data recorder during self diagnosis and the >flight would not have been allowed to take off. ?? The spec for that aircraft does not call out for the cockpit door sensor to be connected to the FDR, thus is it not a failure. You can download the spec here: http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id4067718242.html If you don't believe that, take a look at the data itself. You'll note that that channel NEVER shows an open door for the entire flight, or the previous flights (since the sensor is missing.) Is it reasonable to assume that the crew never, ever opens the door at any time on the ground or in the air? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #191 November 6, 2010 Hi DJ, I do appreciate it that there is somone else willing to ask questions, but please do not fall for the straw man techniques these guys 'always use' to take you away from points thay cannot refute. This thread is designed to get them to admit that they cannot ignore the evidence of explosive residue and unignited incindiaries in the rubble and dist of the collapses. There are plenty of threads on these other matters that have been debated in detail, and as the goal posts have been moved plenty of times since these argument began it 'would' be interesting to see how these debates would stand up with current information. This thread however is about the Nano thermite paper, and you are just letting these poor people with no real integrety detract from the subject they are cornered in. It does not matter how bad of a speller I am, how shit my typing is or how much experience in the scientifc fields thay have, by ignoring tangible, photographed, documented, and published evidence they are being ignorant, notice how none of them can refute that. They can call names, thay can use straw man arguments but they cannot address the point. All the things you are talking about have been discussed before, and they always come up with some excuse, but this time they are stumped. Please keep to the subject of thermite and it's residues in this thread please. There is a plethora of other threads that include the subjects you have mentioned. It is good to see not everyone in this forum is a sell out. Good on ya! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #192 November 6, 2010 QuoteOP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! are you going to ignore that bill? or is it open slather now?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #193 November 6, 2010 Quote>I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. I don't know how many of American Airlines 757s you've been in command of . Captain Ralph Kolstad with American has an opposing view to yours. DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #194 November 6, 2010 Quote Quote >I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. I don't know how many of American Airlines 757s you've been in command of . Captain Ralph Kolstad with American has an opposing view to yours. DLJ Every pilot I have talked to has an opposing view than his! But then, these are all Americans, and they may be in on it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #195 November 6, 2010 Quote >Ignorant! Aaaaand . . . your last warning, How about you reply to his evidence that you specifically asked for. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/table_1.html or are you going to ignore it completely.I find it difficult to descibe ingnorance without using the term ignorant. When someone ignores something repeatedy , like you have in this debate, how do you suggest I describe that dimenour? If I can be called a nut job, a tin hatter, or an idiot over and over when these claims are unsubstanciated, and unchallenged, it does seem a little one sided when I point out verifiable actions of someone and I am warned about it while blatent PA based on nothing but emotions is overlooked."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #196 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuote In the case of adults, when they espouse something as stupid as, say, Scientology or Islam, I write it - and them - off. Anyone dumb enough to buy such tripe in the first place is a waste of time. I take it you feel the same way about Judaism and Christianity. No. Mormon, like Scientology and Islam, was created out of whole cloth to suit the agenda of the author. Christianity is the result of the blatant hijacking of a renegade movement for transparent political purposes. It worked well, in that a variety of peoples who were never defeated militarily were overtaken by the virus of applied superstition. Oddly enough, Communism is an offshoot of Judaism - though it does not link itself directly to Hebrew Scripture. Judaism is not a religion per se, but a tribal identity with religious traditions. Jewish religious traditions form the basis of most of the wannabe knockoff "universal religions" (Christianity, Islam, Mormon); the books in question being a Bronze Age family history - of a big, dysfunctional family. Of all the Universal Religions (to include Communism as a "religion substitute"), I rate Islam as the most virulent. Christianity has a pretty bad track record, but it has become a de facto norm, and so is more of a chronic mental illness than the acute version that typifies Islam. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,566 #197 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Not your fault. I know it's hard with a second language. I'm sure my Farsi isn't as good as your English but I appreciate your attempts . I'm English. My first and only language (so far) is English. It is where I come from, it is what I speak. I'm unaware of what I said, in English, that is difficult for another English speaker to understand. So I will repeat my question: What do cockpit door recorders, that aren't connected to cockpit doors, actually record in these scenarios?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #198 November 6, 2010 >OP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! And your one warning. Argue the subject all you like; don't attack the poster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #199 November 6, 2010 [reply I'm English. Quote I'm sorry! I'll try to arrange a good dentist for you. Pip pip , cheerio. Hey, wanna talk about 7/7 in a different thread? DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #200 November 6, 2010 QuoteHOW ABOUT YOU ADDRESS THE NANOTHERMITE RED GREY CHIPS What do you think I have been talking about? You are too busy assuming those red and grey chips are naothermite, and that they were not mixed into the samples after collection, to accept any other explanation. Answer these questions: IF your nanothermite is so explosive and easy to ignite, why is there so much undetonated that it is everywhere around the sight? How did it get in place? Why did it not detonate when the aircraft struck? Why has not one single person out of the hundreds it would take to pull this off come forward with information? Why is it every time one of your theories is disproven you refuse to accept the facts and come up with an even more fantastic theory?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next Page 8 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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jakee 1,566 #180 November 6, 2010 QuoteOK, fine all these things can be explained . That's great. Cool. So what's your problem?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #181 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bleeding heart liberal......., that thinks we killed our own people, and it was all a conspiracy...Gotcha, thanks for the explination! I don't know who killed them. I think a proper investigation is in order to find out. Got a problem with that?Quote Do you seriously think that lowly about the American Government? I don't think very highly of the American government when I consider them at all. DLJ That has become Obvious....BTW, Did you hear about area 51? ohhh yeah...and Bigfoot.... Have you heard of the Gulf of Tomkin incident or the USS Liberty? DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #182 November 6, 2010 >Wouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely >difficult to maneuver? It would have certainly changed the aicraft's center of gravity. But keep in mind we're talking about 58 passengers. That's a total weight of about 9800 pounds. The aircraft probably weighed about 200,000 pounds at the time of the hijacking. (Max takeoff weight is 255,000 pounds.) As a comparison it would be like three skydivers moving to the back of an Otter. It's definitely noticeable, but in general Otters have no problem with even ten people back there. Now, if the Otter were to try to land like that the pilot might indeed have more trouble than normal - but the hijackers were not intending to land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,566 #183 November 6, 2010 QuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #184 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. Not until "after" 911....Oh Myyy Gawdddddd, they held back on having them, until they could blwo the WTC...now it all makes................No! ......sorry, still gebberish to think "we " had anything to do with it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #185 November 6, 2010 Quote>Wouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely >difficult to maneuver? It would have certainly changed the aicraft's center of gravity. But keep in mind we're talking about 58 passengers. That's a total weight of about 9800 pounds. The aircraft probably weighed about 200,000 pounds at the time of the hijacking. (Max takeoff weight is 255,000 pounds.) As a comparison it would be like three skydivers moving to the back of an Otter. It's definitely noticeable, but in general Otters have no problem with even ten people back there. Now, if the Otter were to try to land like that the pilot might indeed have more trouble than normal - but the hijackers were not intending to land. Fine , but as the flight data recorder indicates the cockpit door never opened during the flight, was Ted Olsen lying when he told us that the pilots were in the back of the plane with his wife when she called? And how did the hijackers enter the cockpit without opening the door? DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #186 November 6, 2010 >I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #187 November 6, 2010 QuoteWe can and we have. I have already told you to grab some dirt and get it tested. Most likely it contains at least a trace of similar material and almost certainly contains all the elements. Bill has given you a link to where the stuff is manufactured commercially. hey guy, HOW ABOUT YOU ADDRESS THE NANOTHERMITE RED GREY CHIPS, that is the composition I am talking about, I am aware that iron microsherses 'could' be generated by another process, but nano thermite can ONLY be produced in a lab. Ignoring the thermite is ignorant, and you keep doing so. Such as bill does, this does nothing for the credibility of your argument. Unless you address this composition and not conveniently going back to talking about silica spheres, which have nothing to do with the evidence we are supposed to be discussing, then I will not reply to your points. Straw man tactics are used to move the subject away from the point, this is what you are doing."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #188 November 6, 2010 My gawd, I ignored this thread for a long time....jusy read it today, my fucking ribs are hurting from laughing! OP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! But I gotta thank you for the laughs... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #189 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Not your fault. I know it's hard with a second language. I'm sure my Farsi isn't as good as your English but I appreciate your attempts . If you are attempting to say that the door sensor failed , the sensor would have dinged the flight data recorder during self diagnosis and the flight would not have been allowed to take off. Off course alll dinging of the cockpit door sensor aside, The flight data recorder shows the alltitude too high to hit the Pentagon. Perhaps an investigation is in order to find the facts of what happened that day. DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #190 November 6, 2010 >If you are attempting to say that the door sensor failed , the sensor >would have dinged the flight data recorder during self diagnosis and the >flight would not have been allowed to take off. ?? The spec for that aircraft does not call out for the cockpit door sensor to be connected to the FDR, thus is it not a failure. You can download the spec here: http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id4067718242.html If you don't believe that, take a look at the data itself. You'll note that that channel NEVER shows an open door for the entire flight, or the previous flights (since the sensor is missing.) Is it reasonable to assume that the crew never, ever opens the door at any time on the ground or in the air? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #191 November 6, 2010 Hi DJ, I do appreciate it that there is somone else willing to ask questions, but please do not fall for the straw man techniques these guys 'always use' to take you away from points thay cannot refute. This thread is designed to get them to admit that they cannot ignore the evidence of explosive residue and unignited incindiaries in the rubble and dist of the collapses. There are plenty of threads on these other matters that have been debated in detail, and as the goal posts have been moved plenty of times since these argument began it 'would' be interesting to see how these debates would stand up with current information. This thread however is about the Nano thermite paper, and you are just letting these poor people with no real integrety detract from the subject they are cornered in. It does not matter how bad of a speller I am, how shit my typing is or how much experience in the scientifc fields thay have, by ignoring tangible, photographed, documented, and published evidence they are being ignorant, notice how none of them can refute that. They can call names, thay can use straw man arguments but they cannot address the point. All the things you are talking about have been discussed before, and they always come up with some excuse, but this time they are stumped. Please keep to the subject of thermite and it's residues in this thread please. There is a plethora of other threads that include the subjects you have mentioned. It is good to see not everyone in this forum is a sell out. Good on ya! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #192 November 6, 2010 QuoteOP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! are you going to ignore that bill? or is it open slather now?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #193 November 6, 2010 Quote>I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. I don't know how many of American Airlines 757s you've been in command of . Captain Ralph Kolstad with American has an opposing view to yours. DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #194 November 6, 2010 Quote Quote >I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. I don't know how many of American Airlines 757s you've been in command of . Captain Ralph Kolstad with American has an opposing view to yours. DLJ Every pilot I have talked to has an opposing view than his! But then, these are all Americans, and they may be in on it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #195 November 6, 2010 Quote >Ignorant! Aaaaand . . . your last warning, How about you reply to his evidence that you specifically asked for. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/table_1.html or are you going to ignore it completely.I find it difficult to descibe ingnorance without using the term ignorant. When someone ignores something repeatedy , like you have in this debate, how do you suggest I describe that dimenour? If I can be called a nut job, a tin hatter, or an idiot over and over when these claims are unsubstanciated, and unchallenged, it does seem a little one sided when I point out verifiable actions of someone and I am warned about it while blatent PA based on nothing but emotions is overlooked."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #196 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuote In the case of adults, when they espouse something as stupid as, say, Scientology or Islam, I write it - and them - off. Anyone dumb enough to buy such tripe in the first place is a waste of time. I take it you feel the same way about Judaism and Christianity. No. Mormon, like Scientology and Islam, was created out of whole cloth to suit the agenda of the author. Christianity is the result of the blatant hijacking of a renegade movement for transparent political purposes. It worked well, in that a variety of peoples who were never defeated militarily were overtaken by the virus of applied superstition. Oddly enough, Communism is an offshoot of Judaism - though it does not link itself directly to Hebrew Scripture. Judaism is not a religion per se, but a tribal identity with religious traditions. Jewish religious traditions form the basis of most of the wannabe knockoff "universal religions" (Christianity, Islam, Mormon); the books in question being a Bronze Age family history - of a big, dysfunctional family. Of all the Universal Religions (to include Communism as a "religion substitute"), I rate Islam as the most virulent. Christianity has a pretty bad track record, but it has become a de facto norm, and so is more of a chronic mental illness than the acute version that typifies Islam. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,566 #197 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Not your fault. I know it's hard with a second language. I'm sure my Farsi isn't as good as your English but I appreciate your attempts . I'm English. My first and only language (so far) is English. It is where I come from, it is what I speak. I'm unaware of what I said, in English, that is difficult for another English speaker to understand. So I will repeat my question: What do cockpit door recorders, that aren't connected to cockpit doors, actually record in these scenarios?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #198 November 6, 2010 >OP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! And your one warning. Argue the subject all you like; don't attack the poster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #199 November 6, 2010 [reply I'm English. Quote I'm sorry! I'll try to arrange a good dentist for you. Pip pip , cheerio. Hey, wanna talk about 7/7 in a different thread? DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #200 November 6, 2010 QuoteHOW ABOUT YOU ADDRESS THE NANOTHERMITE RED GREY CHIPS What do you think I have been talking about? You are too busy assuming those red and grey chips are naothermite, and that they were not mixed into the samples after collection, to accept any other explanation. Answer these questions: IF your nanothermite is so explosive and easy to ignite, why is there so much undetonated that it is everywhere around the sight? How did it get in place? Why did it not detonate when the aircraft struck? Why has not one single person out of the hundreds it would take to pull this off come forward with information? Why is it every time one of your theories is disproven you refuse to accept the facts and come up with an even more fantastic theory?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next Page 8 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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billvon 3,085 #182 November 6, 2010 >Wouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely >difficult to maneuver? It would have certainly changed the aicraft's center of gravity. But keep in mind we're talking about 58 passengers. That's a total weight of about 9800 pounds. The aircraft probably weighed about 200,000 pounds at the time of the hijacking. (Max takeoff weight is 255,000 pounds.) As a comparison it would be like three skydivers moving to the back of an Otter. It's definitely noticeable, but in general Otters have no problem with even ten people back there. Now, if the Otter were to try to land like that the pilot might indeed have more trouble than normal - but the hijackers were not intending to land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #183 November 6, 2010 QuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #184 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. Not until "after" 911....Oh Myyy Gawdddddd, they held back on having them, until they could blwo the WTC...now it all makes................No! ......sorry, still gebberish to think "we " had anything to do with it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #185 November 6, 2010 Quote>Wouldn't the weight and ballance have made the plane extremely >difficult to maneuver? It would have certainly changed the aicraft's center of gravity. But keep in mind we're talking about 58 passengers. That's a total weight of about 9800 pounds. The aircraft probably weighed about 200,000 pounds at the time of the hijacking. (Max takeoff weight is 255,000 pounds.) As a comparison it would be like three skydivers moving to the back of an Otter. It's definitely noticeable, but in general Otters have no problem with even ten people back there. Now, if the Otter were to try to land like that the pilot might indeed have more trouble than normal - but the hijackers were not intending to land. Fine , but as the flight data recorder indicates the cockpit door never opened during the flight, was Ted Olsen lying when he told us that the pilots were in the back of the plane with his wife when she called? And how did the hijackers enter the cockpit without opening the door? DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #186 November 6, 2010 >I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #187 November 6, 2010 QuoteWe can and we have. I have already told you to grab some dirt and get it tested. Most likely it contains at least a trace of similar material and almost certainly contains all the elements. Bill has given you a link to where the stuff is manufactured commercially. hey guy, HOW ABOUT YOU ADDRESS THE NANOTHERMITE RED GREY CHIPS, that is the composition I am talking about, I am aware that iron microsherses 'could' be generated by another process, but nano thermite can ONLY be produced in a lab. Ignoring the thermite is ignorant, and you keep doing so. Such as bill does, this does nothing for the credibility of your argument. Unless you address this composition and not conveniently going back to talking about silica spheres, which have nothing to do with the evidence we are supposed to be discussing, then I will not reply to your points. Straw man tactics are used to move the subject away from the point, this is what you are doing."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #188 November 6, 2010 My gawd, I ignored this thread for a long time....jusy read it today, my fucking ribs are hurting from laughing! OP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! But I gotta thank you for the laughs... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #189 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Not your fault. I know it's hard with a second language. I'm sure my Farsi isn't as good as your English but I appreciate your attempts . If you are attempting to say that the door sensor failed , the sensor would have dinged the flight data recorder during self diagnosis and the flight would not have been allowed to take off. Off course alll dinging of the cockpit door sensor aside, The flight data recorder shows the alltitude too high to hit the Pentagon. Perhaps an investigation is in order to find the facts of what happened that day. DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #190 November 6, 2010 >If you are attempting to say that the door sensor failed , the sensor >would have dinged the flight data recorder during self diagnosis and the >flight would not have been allowed to take off. ?? The spec for that aircraft does not call out for the cockpit door sensor to be connected to the FDR, thus is it not a failure. You can download the spec here: http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id4067718242.html If you don't believe that, take a look at the data itself. You'll note that that channel NEVER shows an open door for the entire flight, or the previous flights (since the sensor is missing.) Is it reasonable to assume that the crew never, ever opens the door at any time on the ground or in the air? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #191 November 6, 2010 Hi DJ, I do appreciate it that there is somone else willing to ask questions, but please do not fall for the straw man techniques these guys 'always use' to take you away from points thay cannot refute. This thread is designed to get them to admit that they cannot ignore the evidence of explosive residue and unignited incindiaries in the rubble and dist of the collapses. There are plenty of threads on these other matters that have been debated in detail, and as the goal posts have been moved plenty of times since these argument began it 'would' be interesting to see how these debates would stand up with current information. This thread however is about the Nano thermite paper, and you are just letting these poor people with no real integrety detract from the subject they are cornered in. It does not matter how bad of a speller I am, how shit my typing is or how much experience in the scientifc fields thay have, by ignoring tangible, photographed, documented, and published evidence they are being ignorant, notice how none of them can refute that. They can call names, thay can use straw man arguments but they cannot address the point. All the things you are talking about have been discussed before, and they always come up with some excuse, but this time they are stumped. Please keep to the subject of thermite and it's residues in this thread please. There is a plethora of other threads that include the subjects you have mentioned. It is good to see not everyone in this forum is a sell out. Good on ya! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #192 November 6, 2010 QuoteOP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! are you going to ignore that bill? or is it open slather now?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #193 November 6, 2010 Quote>I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. I don't know how many of American Airlines 757s you've been in command of . Captain Ralph Kolstad with American has an opposing view to yours. DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #194 November 6, 2010 Quote Quote >I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the >flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. The cockpit door sensor was not installed on American Airlines 757's. The data field in the flight recorder is still there since the FDR records everything from all channels, even if those channels don't connect to anything. I don't know how many of American Airlines 757s you've been in command of . Captain Ralph Kolstad with American has an opposing view to yours. DLJ Every pilot I have talked to has an opposing view than his! But then, these are all Americans, and they may be in on it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #195 November 6, 2010 Quote >Ignorant! Aaaaand . . . your last warning, How about you reply to his evidence that you specifically asked for. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/table_1.html or are you going to ignore it completely.I find it difficult to descibe ingnorance without using the term ignorant. When someone ignores something repeatedy , like you have in this debate, how do you suggest I describe that dimenour? If I can be called a nut job, a tin hatter, or an idiot over and over when these claims are unsubstanciated, and unchallenged, it does seem a little one sided when I point out verifiable actions of someone and I am warned about it while blatent PA based on nothing but emotions is overlooked."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #196 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuote In the case of adults, when they espouse something as stupid as, say, Scientology or Islam, I write it - and them - off. Anyone dumb enough to buy such tripe in the first place is a waste of time. I take it you feel the same way about Judaism and Christianity. No. Mormon, like Scientology and Islam, was created out of whole cloth to suit the agenda of the author. Christianity is the result of the blatant hijacking of a renegade movement for transparent political purposes. It worked well, in that a variety of peoples who were never defeated militarily were overtaken by the virus of applied superstition. Oddly enough, Communism is an offshoot of Judaism - though it does not link itself directly to Hebrew Scripture. Judaism is not a religion per se, but a tribal identity with religious traditions. Jewish religious traditions form the basis of most of the wannabe knockoff "universal religions" (Christianity, Islam, Mormon); the books in question being a Bronze Age family history - of a big, dysfunctional family. Of all the Universal Religions (to include Communism as a "religion substitute"), I rate Islam as the most virulent. Christianity has a pretty bad track record, but it has become a de facto norm, and so is more of a chronic mental illness than the acute version that typifies Islam. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,566 #197 November 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't know.., I guess it's just a silly thing but, according to the data recovered from the flight data recorder , the cockpit door never opened on that flight. Maybe you should look back several years and find out what cockpit door recorders that aren't connected to cockpit doors actually indicate in these scenarios. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Not your fault. I know it's hard with a second language. I'm sure my Farsi isn't as good as your English but I appreciate your attempts . I'm English. My first and only language (so far) is English. It is where I come from, it is what I speak. I'm unaware of what I said, in English, that is difficult for another English speaker to understand. So I will repeat my question: What do cockpit door recorders, that aren't connected to cockpit doors, actually record in these scenarios?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #198 November 6, 2010 >OP, (rhys?) I hoep your aluminum helmet is up to date! And your one warning. Argue the subject all you like; don't attack the poster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #199 November 6, 2010 [reply I'm English. Quote I'm sorry! I'll try to arrange a good dentist for you. Pip pip , cheerio. Hey, wanna talk about 7/7 in a different thread? DLJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #200 November 6, 2010 QuoteHOW ABOUT YOU ADDRESS THE NANOTHERMITE RED GREY CHIPS What do you think I have been talking about? You are too busy assuming those red and grey chips are naothermite, and that they were not mixed into the samples after collection, to accept any other explanation. Answer these questions: IF your nanothermite is so explosive and easy to ignite, why is there so much undetonated that it is everywhere around the sight? How did it get in place? Why did it not detonate when the aircraft struck? Why has not one single person out of the hundreds it would take to pull this off come forward with information? Why is it every time one of your theories is disproven you refuse to accept the facts and come up with an even more fantastic theory?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
