Sick of Republican Vs Democrats

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I'm sick of reading about RWCs and Bleeding heart Libs. Do you Americans realise that the rest of the world doesn't fall into either catogory. Obama is no more a Maxist than Regan was a Nazi. Why is it that the US is so bi-parthide? so much hatred from one side to the other, so simplistic in outlook and world view. Truely, its pathetic.

But I don't understand what you are saying? America should just be happy with the way things are going and just not talk about things? There are issues in our country and things need to be addressed naturally, people are going to have opposing viewpoints on these issues. So it's an unavoidable consequence.

OK, I didn't explain my point very well. Its not so much the subjects as the way they're discussed (or not as the case usually is). Its the narrow mindedness that is so frustrating. I can't decide if its intellectual lazyness or shear stupidity that makes people lump others who happen to disagree on what they believe into a hate group (Republican or Democrat). Debate the subjects by all means but posting nonsense just to inflame the opposing political belief just gets boring (yes that is my opinion as a non american)

I totally agree that it is asinine that people cannot think for themselves and they pretty much base their ideals on what their political party believes. Some would first die rather than agree with something a liberal has said or vise versa.

I think it is quite sad.

Recognizing your problem is the first step

I wish you well on your journey grasshopper

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Recognizing your problem is the first step

I rest my case.

[rushmc 23]

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Recognizing your problem is the first step

I rest my case.

As you should

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Recognizing your problem is the first step

I rest my case.

As you should

Indeed. No more evidence required.

[lawrocket 3]

Opinions begin with "I think" or "I feel."

Example: "I think that's bullshit."

Rhetoric is different because there is no subjective: "That's bullshit."

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nearly same posters permanently keep their bashing campaigns, pull thier straw out of thier heads and try to hit the other party as much as possible with it.

This makes sense to me. A bashing campaign typically consists of people stating, "Obama is a Marxist" or "Palin is stupid." Both are matters of opinion but are stated as if they are truths.

I could say, "F1 is boring. Cricket is boring. Snooker and darts are ridiculous sports. Soccer is idiotic." It so happens that millions of people disagree, and to say things like that would be for me to be a pompous ass. Such statements also become fodder for further vitriol.

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There still is another point: US posters are not that interested about what's going on outside their borders (relax, not you, Mr. Rich). Some do not know much about what's going on in the rest of the world, which is (quelle surprise!) larger than expected.

There is yet another point: foreign posters are exceedingly focused on stereotyping Americans as being completely unaware of the outside world. I note that most of these people also take issue with US intervention worldwide.

It is true that the US is not nearly so interested in what is happening in France as a Spaniard would be. The press that we get here centers around riots in Paris, etc.

Nevetheless, I can also indicate that most of the rest of the world doesn't mean much to us because we are pretty isolated. I'm sure that we Americans (especially those of us in border states) have a far superior idea of what's going on in Mexico than you do. We also are able to dig other worldwide events that strike to our ethos.

But perhaps the reason why America has been kicking ass for decades is that our ethos is one of self-reliance. I'm sorry if I don't pay much attention to the fact that two people have died of Legionairre's disease in Madrid. It's a shame, but 15 people killed at a Mexico car wash is a bit more of an issue to me.

Hell, several hundred dead from a volcano and tsunami isn't as important to me. I can more easily justify "shit happens" than "15 people massacred at the car wash."

This leads to the question: why is international awareness important? Does that not provide an indication that YOU and YOUR culture find it important? In my opinion, it shows that you are no more or less susceptible to feelings of cultural supremacy than any American. The fact that you find American politics to be boring is also, I believe, prima facie nationalism on your part and demonstrates a degree of disrespect to other cultures.

Again - I have no problem with it. You're free to be bored by American political discourse. I'm free to give those thoughts little weight.

Just because you think it's boring doesn't make it boring. That's my point.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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am i attacking someone by saying obuma ? not a bum in the traditional sense , but a bum in the sense of policy poverty , agenda poverty , association poverty , uniting poverty , honesty poverty , just a lot of poverty . a bum . obuma . if someone on the forum is attacked by this let me know and i will consider modifying this attack assertion !

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This leads to the question: why is international awareness important? Does that not provide an indication that YOU and YOUR culture find it important? In my opinion, it shows that you are no more or less susceptible to feelings of cultural supremacy than any American. The fact that you find American politics to be boring is also, I believe, prima facie nationalism on your part and demonstrates a degree of disrespect to other cultures.

Again - I have no problem with it. You're free to be bored by American political discourse. I'm free to give those thoughts little weight.

Just because you think it's boring doesn't make it boring. That's my point.

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This leads to the question: why is international awareness important?

I truly do hope this is your - and only your - own opinion.

Francis Bacon: Knowledge is power

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There still is another point: US posters are not that interested about what's going on outside their borders (relax, not you, Mr. Rich). Some do not know much about what's going on in the rest of the world, which is (quelle surprise!) larger than expected.

We seem interested in Israel, Iran. Just as much as we do about the election next week. I recall some talk about the last UK election, though you can hardly expect the US readers here (who are a majority in this forum) to carry the conversation. German politics seems even duller - so much so that you haven't graced us with any subjects.

for that matter, Christel, have you ever initiated a topic? If you're bored with the current topic load (and yes, I've seen it in a stagnant state, debating semantics rather than actual topics), introduce something to improve the conversation. Or SDSTFU.

And be warned, figure on at least a week of debate/whining/raging on the results and what it means, On the plus side, a divided US government means we'll be less inclined to intervene elsewhere.

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This leads to the question: why is international awareness important? Does that not provide an indication that YOU and YOUR culture find it important? In my opinion, it shows that you are no more or less susceptible to feelings of cultural supremacy than any American. The fact that you find American politics to be boring is also, I believe, prima facie nationalism on your part and demonstrates a degree of disrespect to other cultures.

Again - I have no problem with it. You're free to be bored by American political discourse. I'm free to give those thoughts little weight.

Just because you think it's boring doesn't make it boring. That's my point.

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This leads to the question: why is international awareness important?

I truly do hope this is your - and only your - own opinion.

Francis Bacon: Knowledge is power

You are to be disapointed then as I think myself and others (but I can only speak for me) will totally agree with him

Nice job lawrocket. Well stated thanks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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am i attacking someone by saying obuma ? not a bum in the traditional sense , but a bum in the sense of policy poverty , agenda poverty , association poverty , uniting poverty , honesty poverty , just a lot of poverty . a bum . obuma . if someone on the forum is attacked by this let me know and i will consider modifying this attack assertion !

attacking?

No more than others do here who like to use mispellings of parties and canidates

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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This leads to the question: why is international awareness important?

I truly do hope this is your - and only your - own opinion.

Francis Bacon: Knowledge is power

If you find the answer self evident, it should be pretty easy to write out. But you'd have to start by defining the term.

It's also about priorities. Is it more important to know what happens in a US federal election, or that in Italy? Or if we want to phrase it in a Euro Centric manner - why pay attention to Euro elections besides Germany, France, and the UK? Those 3 matter more than everyone else combined. If you're going to dedicate a finite amount of time, you pick them and ignore the rest.

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attacking?

No more than others do here who like to use mispellings of parties and canidates[sic]

Exactly.

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No more than others do here who like to use mispellings of parties and canidates

Absolutely true. Doesn't make it classy, though.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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No more than others do here who like to use mispellings of parties and canidates

Absolutely true. Doesn't make it classy, though.

Wendy P.

+1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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This leads to the question: why is international awareness important?

If you live somewhere where the neighboring 20 countries are all within an 8 hour drive, and half of them have attacked you within the last 3 centuries, then I totally understand why international awareness is important

I suspect that people in New York feel that it's important what's going on in Quebec and Pennsylvania and other new england states

it's just not an apples to apples discussion - Chinese perspective to the US would make a better comparison in terms of 'international perspective' in terms of impact and multiculturalism - not France, or Germany, or Spain

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All three of you - cut it out.

leave them alone, I am enjoying their petty bickering

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lawrocket hits another home run !
did someone call me classy ? i resemble that remark !

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won't someone please think of the children

Just shoot the children

Why waste a bullet - just abort them all.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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won't someone please think of the children

Just shoot the children

Why waste a bullet - just abort them all.

retroactively !

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This leads to the question: why is international awareness important?

I truly do hope this is your - and only your - own opinion.

Francis Bacon: Knowledge is power

Some things:
(1) what do you hope is my opinion?; and
(2) kindly answer the question: Why is international awareness important? Then, how about why international awareness should be important to me. If you think you can answer the latter question without imposing your innate view of your own cultural superiority to my inferiority then you are mistaken. In a sense, there is little difference between you and the ugly American.

I admit I like the ethos with which I was raised. While it is not blessed ignorance, the lack of ready availability of fuel in Cap D'Antibes isn't nearly so much of a problem to me as is my son's soccer game this evening.

(3) "Knowledge is not power." I think that knowledge is merely a component of power. The power, as I see it, comes from what a person knows and how that person acquires and deploys resources to maximize the utility of that knowledge. I'm sorry, but knowing the surf conditions in Cap D'Antibes tomorrow would really detract mental resources from something that would be powerful - such as whether to start Anthony Gonzalez or David Gettis as my number 3 receiver in Fantasy Football.

What are your thoughts on this subject, beacon of international awareness? I'm seeing Gettis as establishing himself as a number 2 receiver for the Panthers and alleviating some pressure on Steve Smith. Gonzalez, on the other hand, has talent and has Manning throwing to him, and Houston's pass defense has been marginal at best.

I like that Gettis is playing the Rams. While the Rams are decent defensively, their pass coverage is also somewhat marginal. Gettis also shredded a 3-4 scheme last week and will do well depending on how much the Rams play a Cover 2 shell.

This is something that is important to me, as well as to tens of thousands of other people here in the States. I'll start whomever you tell me to start. Do I start Gonzalez or Gettis?

Make your call and provide me with a bare minimum of informed reasoning and I'll take your advice.

Then again, it may be that you haven't ever even heard of David Gettis before. If you haven't, it is either a shame OR it may be that you find Fantasy Footbal "boring" or even that it just means nothing to you....

Show some awareness. Show your knowledge and tell me where to go with this.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Show your knowledge Power and tell me where to go with this.

FIFY.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[happythoughts 0]

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I'm sick of reading about RWCs and Bleeding heart Libs. Do you Americans realise that the rest of the world doesn't fall into either catogory. Obama is no more a Maxist than Regan was a Nazi. Why is it that the US is so bi-parthide? so much hatred from one side to the other, so simplistic in outlook and world view. Truely, its pathetic.

Because it is good for business.

The owner of the Fark.com website wrote a book about
his observations.

One thing that he noted is the Pepsi-Coke false dichotomy.
There are always ads comparing Pepsi and Coke, as if
there were no other choices.
In this situation though, you can actually make the
choice of another flavor and get the drink you want.
(At least superficially, drink flavors are owned on a
regional level, so the money goes to a limited number
of owners)

If you choose, someone who does not have a voting
coalition behind them, your candidate may win, but
spend their elected term being used as the whipping boy
for the other parties - and accomplish little.

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How about Dems vs Dems ?

At least five Dems are touting their "independence from their party"
and how they voting against the party line.

Issue ? They weren't in Congress during the vote.

Fact check.org

"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo


***At least five freshman Democratic House members are running ads claiming they voted against the bank "bailout," when in fact none was in Congress when the bill setting up the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, was enacted.

* Mary Jo Kilroy says she "voted against the bank bailout."
* Kathy Dahlkemper says she voted "against a bailout that helped Wall Street."
* Frank Kratovil claims to have cast his vote in opposition to "the big bank bailout."
* Dina Titus’ ad maintains she "even voted against the bank bailout."
* Glenn Nye’s ad tells viewers he went "against his own party" and "voted against the Wall Street bailout."

The final House vote on the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 took place on Oct. 3, 2008. The bill passed, 263-171. None of the five lawmakers who are running these ads is listed in the roll call vote. That’s because none of them had taken office yet – in fact, none of them would even be elected for another month.

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Said from the expert Euro defense. All of us, we don't speak any other language, and can not know better than thou.

You want to know about the past? just read about Merkel. it's just like a time machine.

Thank you for your condescending view point.

Hola Juanito, you're back? You have your Green Card, finally? Do you still speak your mother tongue? Does that mean you're *multilingual* now?

It's been for a while, as I also speak portuguese, French and now conversational arabic, which by the way I read.

So, go ahead Nazita. Keep on your condescending, better than thou attitude, it just makes me laugh out loud.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[juanesky 0]

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Opinions begin with "I think" or "I feel."

Example: "I think that's bullshit."

Rhetoric is different because there is no subjective: "That's bullshit."

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nearly same posters permanently keep their bashing campaigns, pull thier straw out of thier heads and try to hit the other party as much as possible with it.

This makes sense to me. A bashing campaign typically consists of people stating, "Obama is a Marxist" or "Palin is stupid." Both are matters of opinion but are stated as if they are truths.

I could say, "F1 is boring. Cricket is boring. Snooker and darts are ridiculous sports. Soccer is idiotic." It so happens that millions of people disagree, and to say things like that would be for me to be a pompous ass. Such statements also become fodder for further vitriol.

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There still is another point: US posters are not that interested about what's going on outside their borders (relax, not you, Mr. Rich). Some do not know much about what's going on in the rest of the world, which is (quelle surprise!) larger than expected.

There is yet another point: foreign posters are exceedingly focused on stereotyping Americans as being completely unaware of the outside world. I note that most of these people also take issue with US intervention worldwide.

It is true that the US is not nearly so interested in what is happening in France as a Spaniard would be. The press that we get here centers around riots in Paris, etc.

Nevetheless, I can also indicate that most of the rest of the world doesn't mean much to us because we are pretty isolated. I'm sure that we Americans (especially those of us in border states) have a far superior idea of what's going on in Mexico than you do. We also are able to dig other worldwide events that strike to our ethos.

But perhaps the reason why America has been kicking ass for decades is that our ethos is one of self-reliance. I'm sorry if I don't pay much attention to the fact that two people have died of Legionairre's disease in Madrid. It's a shame, but 15 people killed at a Mexico car wash is a bit more of an issue to me.

Hell, several hundred dead from a volcano and tsunami isn't as important to me. I can more easily justify "shit happens" than "15 people massacred at the car wash."

This leads to the question: why is international awareness important? Does that not provide an indication that YOU and YOUR culture find it important? In my opinion, it shows that you are no more or less susceptible to feelings of cultural supremacy than any American. The fact that you find American politics to be boring is also, I believe, prima facie nationalism on your part and demonstrates a degree of disrespect to other cultures.

Again - I have no problem with it. You're free to be bored by American political discourse. I'm free to give those thoughts little weight.

Just because you think it's boring doesn't make it boring. That's my point.

Lawrocket, thank you for your well thought out post. It is funny to hear my hating groupies around here, point me as I have been nowhere outside US borders, or not being able to speak other languages. I have lived, and I mean for more than 6 months in over half a dozen, in all continents except for Oceania. To me is just a moot point a waste of time. They think I do not know Europe, and I lived in Spain and England for about 2.5 years, as a spanish citizen, and till this day, the impression that Europe treats some of their citizens as second class, when it comes to opportunities and other things is just simply ignored, not know, and plead ignorance on the situation. I guess all those riots by second generation immigrants, the resurgence of intolerance, skinheads, are just figments in my imagination. Then of course, we have the nice condescending point of views. I think it is pathetic anyone in the world tries to say to anyone of any other nation you are less "cultured" than us.

That has never been the case of my life in the US, since day one I always had rights, as well as responsabilities to be a good citizen.


So with that in mind

Salud

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon