Interesting Experiment

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Don't you guys think it would be a very interesting experiment to take all the far left people in the world put them on an earth and fast forward 5,000 years and do the same with conservatives everyone starting from the ground up and seeing what the end result is and how different things are run?

I have some predictions
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But all jokes aside and biases aside it would be a very interesting study.

B.A.S.E. #1734

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>Don't you guys think it would be a very interesting experiment to take all
>the far left people in the world put them on an earth and fast forward 5,000
>years and do the same with conservatives everyone starting from the
>ground up and seeing what the end result is and how different things are
>run?

Within a few generations there would be new political parties, with just as much division as the old political parties. We are very good at choosing sides - and the sides really aren't all that different.

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Any real difference between the two groups would most likely be from spurious variables that have nothing to do with what ideology the camp was founded with. The Republican ascendancy in the southeast from 1964-1992 demonstrates clearly how only a few generations can diametrically change the political affiliations of a group

Peace, love and hoppiness

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Any real difference between the two groups would most likely be from spurious variables that have nothing to do with what ideology the camp was founded with. The Republican ascendancy in the southeast from 1964-1992 demonstrates clearly how only a few generations can diametrically change the political affiliations of a group

Well as I said it would be the farthest right and the farthest left and the far right has a different view of the scientific method and the importance of the separation of church and state which can lead to a lot of developmental issues that can come from scientific advances through stem cell research etc.

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I reckon that a more resilient society would be better based upon a mix of ideas (and views).

Balanced people don't sit well in one particular set of pigeon holes but chopped and diced and spread across many.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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I reckon that a more resilient society would be better based upon a mix of ideas (and views).

Balanced people don't sit well in one particular set of pigeon holes but chopped and diced and spread across many.

What would be your idea of a resilient society? I didn't really follow exactly what you were saying, are you saying a society that is more diverse and has more viewpoints is a better society?

B.A.S.E. #1734

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human nature and human history is comparable to a pendulum , with spurts of equalibrium !

[shropshire 0]

Well, stratifying society along the lines that you 'suggest' would most likely exaggerate extremes, whilst I reckon that a mixture of views 'tends' to dilute extremes.

Just a thought

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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are you saying a society that is more diverse and has more viewpoints is a better society?

that's pretty broad

if the "diversity" is one based on division and artificially constructed lines of conflict - then that society would likely not be better

if the diversity is just based on individuality and not cosmetic, then that society would be better (each individual is unique, that's great. But 'demographics' seems to be counter productive and lazy)

unfortunately, it's lazier to define diversity along stupid lines like we have today

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... it would be a very interesting study.

Not really.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I reckon that a more resilient society would be better based upon a mix of ideas (and views).

Balanced people don't sit well in one particular set of pigeon holes but chopped and diced and spread across many.

What would be your idea of a resilient society? I didn't really follow exactly what you were saying, are you saying a society that is more diverse and has more viewpoints is a better society?

Yes, all things being equal.

A society where everyone is of a nearly identical mindset doesn't evolve. It comes up with fewer options to deal with a new challenge. While you might hope it would be a less contentious society, potentially offsetting this weakness, it seems that people will always find strife, always want to get more, as seen by the Soviets, or at any university academic department. A more pointed example is to consider how much progress was lost in Europe when the Church stifled real science for the better part of 1000 years.

The ideal society would be one full of diverse viewpoints, but where ideas can be openly examined, critiqued, and voted upon. Reality, of course, falls short of this.

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... it would be a very interesting study.

Not really.

Some people don't care about advancements in knowledge, which is to be expected.

B.A.S.E. #1734

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... it would be a very interesting study.

Not really.

Some people don't care about advancements in knowledge, which is to be expected.

And some people just hypothesize sophomoric experiments. It's much like expecting a research grant to see what happens to water when placed in the freezer.

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I reckon that a more resilient society would be better based upon a mix of ideas (and views).

Balanced people don't sit well in one particular set of pigeon holes but chopped and diced and spread across many.

What would be your idea of a resilient society? I didn't really follow exactly what you were saying, are you saying a society that is more diverse and has more viewpoints is a better society?

Yes, all things being equal.

A society where everyone is of a nearly identical mindset doesn't evolve. It comes up with fewer options to deal with a new challenge. While you might hope it would be a less contentious society, potentially offsetting this weakness, it seems that people will always find strife, always want to get more, as seen by the Soviets, or at any university academic department. A more pointed example is to consider how much progress was lost in Europe when the Church stifled real science for the better part of 1000 years.

The ideal society would be one full of diverse viewpoints, but where ideas can be openly examined, critiqued, and voted upon. Reality, of course, falls short of this.

Yes it does make sense that we need those who will make mistakes in order to learn from them and be able to further ourselves from a civilization because we cannot know how to do something right without also seeing how to do something wrong.

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Yes it does make sense that we need those who will make mistakes in order to learn from them and be able to further ourselves from a civilization because we cannot know how to do something right without also seeing how to do something wrong.

That's still postulating that every problem has a "right" and a "wrong" answer. Many don't, and many answers turn out to be right or wrong only based on other later events that had nothing to do with the original question.

Having a variety of dissenting views is important, for all of the same reasons that it works in science. Having them only dissent in pre-ordained ways is almost as bad as having them not dissent at all.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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... it would be a very interesting study.

Not really.

Some people don't care about advancements in knowledge, which is to be expected.

Some people think that their political viewpoint taken to the extreme is the cause of and will lead to all or at least most advancements in knowledge, which is to be expected.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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... it would be a very interesting study.

Not really.

Some people don't care about advancements in knowledge, which is to be expected.

Some people think that their political viewpoint taken to the extreme is the cause of and will lead to all or at least most advancements in knowledge, which is to be expected.

And where did I say that???

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... it would be a very interesting study.

Not really.

Some people don't care about advancements in knowledge, which is to be expected.

Some people think that their political viewpoint taken to the extreme is the cause of and will lead to all or at least most advancements in knowledge, which is to be expected.

And where did I say that???

From your posts it appears that you believe that liberals advance knowledge while conservatives retard or regress it ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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it appears that you believe that liberals advance knowledge while conservatives retard or regress it ...

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liberalism 1. a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

conservatism - 1. a. the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

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it appears that you believe that liberals advance knowledge while conservatives retard or regress it ...

Truth is truth.

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liberalism 1. a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

conservatism - 1. a. the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

What about an individual who prefers living (existing situation) to dying (change) and thus advances knowledge in biology, medicine, etc... in order to extend life (existing situation)?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I'd say your paper would get a "C" for using mangled definitions.

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I'd say your paper would get a "C" for using mangled definitions.

I'd say you should advance your knowledge of context.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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it appears that you believe that liberals advance knowledge while conservatives retard or regress it ...

Truth is truth.

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liberalism 1. a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

conservatism - 1. a. the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

What about an individual who prefers living (existing situation) to dying (change) and thus advances knowledge in biology, medicine, etc... in order to extend life (existing situation)?

Conservatives are known for trying to impede the progress of science through lack of funding, disbelief in evolution, and ignorance fueled by religion. Like I said, in world full of the FURTHEST right thinkers, we would not have the scientific and medical advances we possess now.

B.A.S.E. #1734

[Niki1 1]

Within a few generations there would be new political parties, with just as much division as the old political parties. We are very good at choosing sides - and the sides really aren't all that different.

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Conservatives are known for trying to impede the progress of science through lack of funding, disbelief in evolution, and ignorance fueled by religion.

Even though that statement is one example of total buy-in to a constructed stereotype and wrong - in other words, bullshit of the most biased kind.

However, even if your assumption was true - we'd return to business as usual within a half generation as people polarize like they always do.

People are just people - your perspective is one that really underpins all kinds ______isms. it assumes that people can be grouped and judged and prejudiced.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants