Hidden Voter Preference Could Put Pot Initiative Over the Top in California Amid Mind-Boggling Racial Arrest Disparities

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Political momentum and international attention is building around California's Proposition 19. On Election Day, Nov. 2, voters could very well make the Golden State the first in the country to legalize recreational possession of pot.

The pot battle, which gives progressives, liberals and libertarians something strongly affirmative to vote for, is in stark contrast to most of the media coverage this election year. The corporate media continues to be obsessed with the Tea Party's attacks on government and everything Obama, and its special project of sexualizing "grizzly mama" candidates.

While many polls have consistently shown that a majority of voters are favorably inclined toward Prop 19, some recent polls have shown some erosion in support. But in an unusual development, pot reformers are strongly suggesting a phenomenon they call the "reverse Bradley effect" -- voters, perhaps because of lingering judgment around drug use, are unwilling to express their true voter preferences to live pollsters, but will in fact vote for legal pot when they get in the voting booth.

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/148618/hidden_voter_preference_could_put_pot_initiative_over_the_top_in_california_amid_mind-boggling_racial_arrest_disparities/

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Hey Quade, he just copy and pasted something. Aren't you going to belittle him or do you only do that to certain people?









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A new report was released from the Drug Policy Alliance and the California Conference of the NAACP on October 22, on the targeting of African Americans for low-level marijuana possession in California. The report reveals that an astonishing 850,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana have been made in California over the past 20 years. The people arrested were disproportionately African Americans and Latinos, mostly young men, and that from 2006 through 2008, "police in 25 of California's major cities have arrested blacks for low-level marijuana possession at four, five, six, seven and even twelve times the rate of whites."

New York Times columnist Charles Blow explains these shocking statistics are the product of a "callous political calculus."

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/148618/hidden_voter_preference_could_put_pot_initiative_over_the_top_in_california_amid_mind-boggling_racial_arrest_disparities/?page=2

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Hey Quade, he just copy and pasted something. Aren't you going to belittle him or do you only do that to certain people?.

What's the point? "dreamdancer" is the name of an altnet.com postbot, written by the Electronic Propoganda department at UC Berkeley.

It's kind of pointless railing at an automaton devoid of intelligence.

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A new report was released from the Drug Policy Alliance and the California Conference of the NAACP on October 22, on the targeting of African Americans for low-level marijuana possession in California. The report reveals that an astonishing 850,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana have been made in California over the past 20 years. The people arrested were disproportionately African Americans and Latinos, mostly young men, and that from 2006 through 2008, "police in 25 of California's major cities have arrested blacks for low-level marijuana possession at four, five, six, seven and even twelve times the rate of whites."

New York Times columnist Charles Blow explains these shocking statistics are the product of a "callous political calculus."

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/148618/hidden_voter_preference_could_put_pot_initiative_over_the_top_in_california_amid_mind-boggling_racial_arrest_disparities/?page=2

Give me a fucking break...Disproportionatley??

Maybe becuase they are "disproportionatley breaking the law" doing other stupid shit, so get caught possesing also!

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No matter how they word it, or try to button hole it, I have no doubt 19 is going to pass....we are talking many generations that grew up smoking a joint now and then...

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Hey Quade, he just copy and pasted something. Aren't you going to belittle him or do you only do that to certain people?

What do I win with the right answer?









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The decade of the 80's was from 1980 to 1989. 10 years. If you remove 1980 and 1989 you have 1981 to 1988. 8 years.

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Well actually...

"While African Americans comprise 13% of the US population and 14% of monthly drug users they are 37% of the people arrested for drug offenses - according to 2009 Congressional testimony by Marc Mauer of The Sentencing Project. "

"As a result, African Americans, who are 13% of the population and 14% of drug users, are not only 37% of the people arrested for drugs but 56% of the people in state prisons for drug offenses."

Taken from a fantastic article by Bill Quigley called Fourteen Examples of Racism in Criminal Justice System

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigley/fourteen-examples-of-raci_b_658947.html

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Well actually...

"While African Americans comprise 13% of the US population and 14% of monthly drug users they are 37% of the people arrested for drug offenses - according to 2009 Congressional testimony by Marc Mauer of The Sentencing Project. "

"As a result, African Americans, who are 13% of the population and 14% of drug users, are not only 37% of the people arrested for drugs but 56% of the people in state prisons for drug offenses."

Taken from a fantastic article by Bill Quigley called Fourteen Examples of Racism in Criminal Justice System

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigley/fourteen-examples-of-raci_b_658947.html

if there were numbers recorder for Bikers, they would be even more over the top...it is simply a Profiling thing, and as I mention, and unusually high percentage of blacks involved in a crime in the first place, that put them in contact with a cop , to be found with Pot!...IMO

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I'm not saying there wasn't a crime committed, just pointing out that there is not a higher incidence of drug use among blacks and there is a hugely disproportionate rate of arrests and an even more egregious rate of jail sentences. Thus pointing out a racial disparity is completely valid and IMO a reasonable point for legalization. There's also a fun book called dorm room dealers if anyone wants to learn more about the absurdity in the enforcement of the drug war.

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Hey Quade, he just copy and pasted something. Aren't you going to belittle him or do you only do that to certain people?

Would you like to guess the correct answer or let Divot and I answer that for you?

what happened to your sig line? Was that removed for quoting someone?

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Hey Quade, he just copy and pasted something. Aren't you going to belittle him or do you only do that to certain people?.

What's the point? "dreamdancer" is the name of an altnet.com postbot, written by the Electronic Propoganda department at UC Berkeley.

It's kind of pointless railing at an automaton devoid of intelligence.

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Hey Quade, he just copy and pasted something. Aren't you going to belittle him or do you only do that to certain people?.

It's kind of pointless railing at an automaton devoid of intelligence.

that's why i don't bother with you

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Hey Quade, he just copy and pasted something. Aren't you going to belittle him or do you only do that to certain people?.

What's the point? "dreamdancer" is the name of an altnet.com postbot, written by the Electronic Propoganda department at UC Berkeley.

It's kind of pointless railing at an automaton devoid of intelligence.

no BIG words to randomly CAPITALISE - try again oh clever one

(and you're not even capable of making up your own pa like the troll winsor)

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California's campaign to legalise marijuana received a major boost today with a $1m donation from billionaire financier and philanthropist George Soros.

The cash infusion, one week before Californians vote on a measure that would let anyone over 21 grow and possess up to an ounce of marijuana and allow local councils to tax sales of the drug, marks the first major investment by Soros in the mid-term elections.

Soros, a prominent donor to Democratic organisations in 2004, 2006 and 2008, told the New York Times that he was sitting out these elections because the prospects were so bleak.

"I don't believe in standing in the way of an avalanche," he told the Times. Soros has focused instead on funding research into climate change policy, committing to spending $10m a year over the next decade.

But in an article posted in the Wall Street Journal, he argued that, no matter what the outcome on 2 November, California's legalisation campaign was a winner.

"The mere fact of its being on the ballot has elevated and legitimised public discourse about marijuana and marijuana policy in ways I could not have imagined a year ago," he wrote.

Soros is a longtime proponent of legalisation. He spent $3m on initiatives that led to the legalisation of marijuana for medical use in the 1990s.

Recent opinion polls suggest, however, that Californians are unlikely to opt for full legalisation – although some commentators have speculated that people may just be reluctant to come out in favour of marijuana in public.

The Soros donation could alter that dynamic.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/26/soros-marijuana-donation

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I thought he did an admirable job of cracking the English Walnut with the appropriate tool.

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I thought he did an admirable job of cracking the English Walnut with the appropriate tool.

now let's see him try without a personal attack - he's not capable of that

(and neither are you)

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I thought he did an admirable job of cracking the English Walnut with the appropriate tool.

now let's see him try without a personal attack - he's not capable of that

(and neither are you)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You are such a funny little fella careful now you made a couple whole posts without the usual cut and paste from alternut.org although there is not much difference when you post things from the guardian.co.yuk

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you're going to have to get more creative with your personal attacks - or get back to the topic

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you're going to have to get more creative with your personal attacks - or get back to the topic

Dahrlin I have yet to make a personal attack, just making observations of someones propensity for making inane cut and pastage from Whinging Windbags.

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aahh...you're the one who just parrots others personal attacks. then says who? - moi?

(grow some)

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aahh...you're the one who just parrots others personal attacks. then says who? - moi?

(grow some)

Try your oun advice . . start with a backbone and go from there.

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aahh...you're the one who just parrots others personal attacks. then says who? - moi?

There is really no need for anyone to 'PA' you. You are your own enemy here.
By your own admission from posts in previous threads; you are not here to add value to any debate, you just like to stir the pot and see what floats.

Ideally, your threads here should be left alone as a running monologue of your own.
For as long as members take the bait each time, you will continue to fish.

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aahh...you're the one who just parrots others personal attacks. then says who? - moi?

(grow some)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


DUUUUUUDE ... even with the genetics.... some guys just never quite did.

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aahh...you're the one who just parrots others personal attacks. then says who? - moi?

There is really no need for anyone to 'PA' you. You are your own enemy here.
By your own admission from posts in previous threads; you are not here to add value to any debate, you just like to stir the pot and see what floats.

Ideally, your threads here should be left alone as a running monologue of your own.
For as long as members take the bait each time, you will continue to fish.

Wait up! We can't do that!
He'll eventually get bored and quit. He NEEDS prompting every once in a while to keep the funny stuff coming.

SC NEEDS some humor now and then and he provides the comedy relief!

Keep it coming D'dancer!
I, for one, appreciate what you're doing!

I'm so needy, eh?


Now, as far as the pot initiative, I see it as a shoo-in and...

-Rolling paper stocks will skyrocket.
-Bong sales will boom.
-you'll have to check your pot in at the coat room when you enter the no-smoking restaurants.

All you guys arguing black arrest proportions...give it a rest. You're suggesting that cops, on the whole, are saying, "Oh, he's white so we won't bust him for the pot. This other guy is black so we will bust him."

I don't buy that.
Well, I don't buy pot either so you can discredit my stance based on that if you choose.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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