Evidence for climate change

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No it isn't.
It is like saying that it is plausible that the data is incorrect depending on the viewpoint.

No. It's like a scientist saying pure water at standard atmospheric pressure boils at 100°C, while acknowledging some other people believe water boils at 95°C because of their incomplete understanding of the way things really are.

Ah - so you admit that you have search around and FIND the correct pressure to make data point of 100C work. Or is it that you simply create your pressure in a lab that only occasionally occurs in nature.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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There is snow on the ground today in Oilberta. Is this out of the ordinary and a sign that the climate is changing? No not really, it's normal for snow to be on the ground this time of year. Well I guess the climate is changing as it does this time every year up here in the great white north. The climate is changing from fall weather conditions into winter weather conditions. We better tell the messiah it's time to raise taxes if we want to stop all this climate change.

You better county the snow flakes - you might be down a million this year before you know it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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No it isn't.
It is like saying that it is plausible that the data is incorrect depending on the viewpoint.

No. It's like a scientist saying pure water at standard atmospheric pressure boils at 100°C, while acknowledging some other people believe water boils at 95°C because of their incomplete understanding of the way things really are.

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Ah - so you admit that you have search around and FIND the correct pressure to make data point of 100C work. Or is it that you simply create your pressure in a lab that only occasionally occurs in nature.

Actually, in depends on the level of precision you want to calibrate to.

When Frency McCentigrade first developed "his" scale the pressure was simply defined as "sea level." Now, I don't know about you, but from my point of view, that covers roughly 5/7th of the entire planet and not just some special place in a lab.

As scientists are often want to do, they wanted higher and higher precision when calibrating things, so one day a batch of them got together and decided to call 29.92" of mercury "standard pressure." That is, on average, what the atmospheric pressure is at . . . sea level . . . but now it has a more precise name.

It's kind of like when a yard was the distance between the king's nose and his thumb and was later defined as three feet and was later still defined as a percentage of some ill-conceived, yet still used mythical 30,000,000th of the distance between the equator and the poles and is now defined by how fast light travels.

It's still the same thing, just to better and better precision.

Pure water still bolis at 100°C at sea level. Not 101°C and not 99°C -- 100°C.

If you want finer increments, yeah, we could have a discussion about it, but a person arguing that water boils at 95°C under some conditions and therefore all of science is questionable just doesn't understand what the hell he's talking about.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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[billvon 3,120]

>Either there is contrary evidence that makes it uncertain or there isn't
>enough evidence.

Or there is enough evidence, and there is no contrary evidence.

>Therefore, we don't know.

Well, we seem to put people to death based on decisions beyond a reasonable doubt. Are you saying therefore that people found guilty in our justice system are convicted on evidence that is either uncertain or contradictory? That would be an odd take on things.

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There is snow on the ground today in Oilberta. Is this out of the ordinary and a sign that the climate is changing? No not really, it's normal for snow to be on the ground this time of year. Well I guess the climate is changing as it does this time every year up here in the great white north. The climate is changing from fall weather conditions into winter weather conditions. We better tell the messiah it's time to raise taxes if we want to stop all this climate change.

you will be comfortable in your climate controlled house . unless you're homeless , then knock on the nearest lib's house . you can stay there and control your climate until the climate changes again . the lib might make the climate too uncomfortable though !!

[kallend 2,150]

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There is snow on the ground today in Oilberta. Is this out of the ordinary and a sign that the climate is changing? No not really, it's normal for snow to be on the ground this time of year. Well I guess the climate is changing as it does this time every year up here in the great white north. The climate is changing from fall weather conditions into winter weather conditions. We better tell the messiah it's time to raise taxes if we want to stop all this climate change.

Suggest you look up the definition of "climate", since you clearly are ignorant right now.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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look up climate in the library , preferably a private school library, the climate is so much nicer there . a lot less people calling you ignorant there too !

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look up climate in the library , preferably a private school library, the climate is so muck nicer there . a lot less people calling you ignorant there too !

Ignorance is as ignorance does - Forest Hump

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Use of the Search function will save everyone the trouble of typing the same things that get typed in EVERY thread on the subject

Actually I'd specifically like to know why people disagree with NASA.

That would be, because their new mission is all about making the muslim world happy, instead of science.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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>Either there is contrary evidence that makes it uncertain or there isn't
>enough evidence.

Or there is enough evidence, and there is no contrary evidence.

>Therefore, we don't know.

Well, we seem to put people to death based on decisions beyond a reasonable doubt.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is the striectest standard under CA law. The next evidentiary standard is "clear and convincing." The "preponderance of the ecidence" is also described as "more likely than not."

I note - "likely" is the standard used in the initial quote. Not "beyond a reasonable doubt."

You are adding a new take that isn't there.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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I'm curious what arguments people have against this evidence for "rapid climate change" that NASA says is "very likely human-induced":

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Or maybe since Obama cut NASA's funding, they have turned focus on a new 'angle' in order to say, 'PLEA$E keep NASA alive'.

*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.*
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

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The question should be are humans taking good care of mother earth, and treat her with the respect we should for our own sake?

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The question should be are humans taking good care of mother earth, and treat her with the respect we should for our own sake?

this i support , not the fear mongering the sky is falling global warming !

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I wrote "most likely" in scientific papers... it meant we didn't know shit but data kinda pointed in said direction.

If scientists are certain of something they will say it very clearly and attach enough data to confirm it beyond a reasonable doubt.

That said, climate is gonna change 100%. It changed before first algae decided to live outside the sea, it changed before cows decided to take a swim and become whales. With or without humans, climate will change.

I understand the need for conformity. Without a concise set of rules to follow we would probably all have to resort to common sense. -David Thorne

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The question should be are humans taking good care of mother earth, and treat her with the respect we should for our own sake?

The earth has it's own morality. Thus completing the progession to religious dogma. Personally I have no problem with it. In fact, it's nice to see honesty about the issue.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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since Obama cut NASA's funding

NASA budgets for the last 10 years (from Wikipedia)
2000 13,428
2001 14,095
2002 14,405
2003 14,610
2004 15,152
2005 15,602
2006 15,125
2007 15,861
2008 17,318
2009 17,782
2010 18,724
2011 19,000
2012 (est.) 19,450

The Constellation program was cancelled (probably). NASA's budget as a whole was raised. And no, Obama didn't cut the shuttle program, either.

Whether Constellation should have been cancelled is a different (and worthy) discussion. Whose advice contributed to its cutting is also a discussion. But the overall NASA budget is bigger.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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in millions ?

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in millions ?

She left a link to where she got the information so people could check the information themselves or get more detailed information if required. It's a good procedure to practice when posting data like that.

I'm sure if you clicked on the link, you could find the answer yourself in the first couple of lines on the web site.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Right. NASA's budget has increased. Certain programs won't be funded anymore (Shuttle, Constellation).

Other projects get a bunch more money. Earth and Climate Science funding will receive an allocation of $1.8 billion for FY 2011, an increase of $382 over FY 2010 enacted. Proposed increases to $1.945 billion, $2.090 billion, $2.217 billion and $2.282 billion yearly through 2015. This amounts to an increase in funding of $1.8 billion over four years.

Budget Priorities:
- Re-flies the Orbiting Carbon Observatory, which is critical to our understanding of the Earth’s carbon cycle and its effect on climate change;
- Accelerates the development of new satellites to enhance observations of the climate and other Earth systems;
- Expands and accelerates Venture-class competitive PI-led missions;
- Enhances climate change modeling capabilities to enhance forecasts of regional and other effects;
- Operates 15 Earth-observing spacecraft in orbit and launches Glory, NPP, and Aquarius; and
- Proceeds toward completion and launch of remaining foundational missions: LDCM (6/13)
and GPM (7/13).

The budget places Earth sciences after "Exploration," "ISS" and "Center Management and Operations" as the fourth highest funding total.

So climate science gets a lot fo funding because climate science gets a lot of press. Alarmism points to threats. Much like the threat of Russian attack led to the arms race, we've now got our funding going to climate science as the great fear. (That and terrorism).

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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what about NASA's number one priority to make muslims feel good about themselves ?

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what about NASA's number one priority to make muslims feel good about themselves ?

AH HA..... PROOF


You do have UPPERCASE ability..... I knew it

[wmw999 2,589]

Actually, Shuttle was already scheduled to be cut as of about 2004; it was extended in the last year. Originally it was to be done by the end of FY2010.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Actually, Shuttle was already scheduled to be cut as of about 2004; it was extended in the last year. Originally it was to be done by the end of FY2010.

Wendy P.

What role is NASA supposed to actually play in researching how to get along with the Muslim comunnity?

Serious question.

Why Nasa?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Actually, Shuttle was already scheduled to be cut as of about 2004; it was extended in the last year. Originally it was to be done by the end of FY2010.

Wendy P.

What role is NASA supposed to actually play in researching how to get along with the Muslim comunnity?

Serious question.

Why Nasa?

Check under the bed already

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eventually every governmental entity will be tasked with this same mission !