Evidence for climate change

[KidWicked 0]

I'm curious what arguments people have against this evidence for "rapid climate change" that NASA says is "very likely human-induced":

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[futuredivot 0]

Use of the Search function will save everyone the trouble of typing the same things that get typed in EVERY thread on the subject-you can read through threads and discount all the sources that don't agree with you-just like the rest of us.

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[KidWicked 0]

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Use of the Search function will save everyone the trouble of typing the same things that get typed in EVERY thread on the subject

Actually I'd specifically like to know why people disagree with NASA.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[skipbelt 0]

that's covered too , check out climate change credibility thread .

[lawrocket 3]

The first evidence against it is "very likely human-induced." That NASA admits that they aren't sure of it should be a good starting place. The answer is in the statement. The statement admits there is contrary evidence.

There are reasons why NASA has reasonable doubt. These arguments are either: (1) there is an alternative explanation for the evidence (i.e., solar activity, oscillations, etc.); (2) the evidence is not reliable (i.e., calling processed data "raw data" that shows Antarctica is warming); (3) viepoints on the weight of the evidence (i.e., "a 6'0" man who weighs 200 pounds is a big man?" Depending on your perspective, this statement is or is not true.); etc.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,120]

>The statement admits there is contrary evidence.

Uh, no, it doesn't. That's like saying that "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" admits that there is contrary evidence.

[turtlespeed 226]

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>The statement admits there is contrary evidence.

Uh, no, it doesn't. That's like saying that "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" admits that there is contrary evidence.

No it isn't.
It is like saying that it is plausible that the data is incorrect depending on the viewpoint.

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[billvon 3,120]

>It is like saying that it is plausible that the data is incorrect depending on
>the viewpoint.

He can believe that if he chooses. The statement that NASA made does not support his interpretation.

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No it isn't.
It is like saying that it is plausible that the data is incorrect depending on the viewpoint.

No. It's like a scientist saying pure water at standard atmospheric pressure boils at 100°C, while acknowledging some other people believe water boils at 95°C because of their incomplete understanding of the way things really are.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[skipbelt 0]

libs insistence on GW created the opportunity for algore's carbon exchange . another enron in the making . in the meantime algore makes millions, sounds like terry mcawful's 18 million $ windfall just before global crossing went bankrupt !

[billvon 3,120]

Hey, Skip, look, under your bed! It's Al Gore! Quick, get under the blankets before he steals all your carbon!

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Hey, Skip, look, under your bed! It's Al Gore! Quick, get under the blankets before he steals all your carbon!

bill, did you realize humans are made from carbon?

Fuck Algore, I ain't getting sequestered.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,120]

>bill, did you realize humans are made from carbon?

That's why he's so scary.

[rushmc 23]

No

This is the scary stuff

From the right?

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Among this year's more notable examples:


Democratic Sen. Russell Feingold of Wisconsin didn't even wait for GOP opponent Ron Johnson to win the primary. Seven weeks before Johnson officially became his opponent, Feingold aired an ad claiming Johnson would "hand over the Great Lakes to the oil companies." It showed a U.S. map, with an oil slick ominously spreading from the Gulf of Mexico to Lake Michigan.
Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida, mocking the conservative Christian beliefs of GOP challenger Dan Webster, has been calling him "Taliban Dan" on the campaign trail. Even the liberal St. Petersburg Times, calling it a “despicable” campaign tactic, said “Grayson owes Webster and his constituents an apology."
Desperate to remain her job as House speaker, Nancy Pelosi took aim at GOP rival Rep. John Boehner after he unveiled the Republican Pledge to America platform, posting a clip of him stating: "And the point we make in this preamble to our Pledge is that we're not going to be any different than we've been." Pelosi cited it as proof that "Congressional Republicans want to return to the same failed economic policies that cost us 8 million American jobs, doubled our national debt, hurt millions of Americans, and wrecked our economy." The Politifact organization called Pelosi's post a "gross mischaracterization" — Boehner clearly was referring to social issues rather than the economic policies Pelosi suggested.
The Democratic National Committee produced an ad slamming the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. It showed a thief mugging a woman in a parking garage. "They're stealing our democracy, spending millions from secret donors to elect Republicans to do their bidding in Congress," the ad stated. "It appears they've even taken secret foreign money to influence our elections." The New York Times stated flatly: "Democrats have offered no evidence that the Chamber is using foreign money to influence the elections."
President Obama attacked the Chamber as well, telling voters "groups that receive foreign money are spending huge sums to influence American elections, and they won't tell you where the money for their ads come from." The Chamber explained its accounting procedures keep foreign and domestic contributions separate. When CBS host Bob Schieffer asked White House senior adviser David Axelrod for evidence, Axelrod shot back: "Well, do you have any evidence it's not [true] Bob?" Schieffer's bemused response: "Is that the best you can do?"
In Kentucky, Democrat Jack Conway infuriated conservative Rand Paul by charging Paul worshipped a false idol called "Aqua Buddha," and belonged to an anti-Christian group, while attending Baylor University. The charge was based on an anonymous source, who told GQ magazine that Paul was involved in a college prank 30 years ago. Paul refused to shake Conway's hand after an Oct. 17 debate, saying his opponent had called his faith into question.
The Obama administration widely attacked Republican strategists Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie for the activities of the independent groups American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS. This despite the fact that Rove and Gillespie have no control over the groups, and only act as informal, unpaid advisers. It appears the strategy backfired: Some $13 million have flooded into the groups' coffers since the presidential broadsides began.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has done everything but suggest that GOP challenger Sharron Angle wears a tinfoil cap to block alien transmissions. Immediately after Angle won the GOP primary, a Reid ad claimed she supported a Church of Scientology rehabilitation program for women prisoners. FactCheck.org has reported Angle never introduced that legislation, however. Reid's tactic appeared to flop with many voters after Angle handled herself well in a debate, telling him to "man up" and face the looming Social Security crisis head on.
California’s gubernatorial race has been one of the nastiest in the nation. Supporters of Democrat Jerry Brown did some dirt digging on Republican Meg Whitman, locating her former housekeeper. The investigators got the housekeeper to admit she was an undocumented worker employed by Whitman and at a teary eyed press conference claimed that Whitman has bullied her. To add icing on the cake, celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred went after Whitman, representing the former domestic.
Meanwhile, someone in Brown's campaign was recorded calling former eBay CEO Whitman, a "whore." Whitman's spokesman called it "an appalling and unforgivable smear.” In their subsequent debate, Brown apologized awkwardly, while disagreeing that being called a "whore" is as offensive to women as use of the "N-word" is to African-Americans.
In Florida's House District 22 race, the state Democratic Party distributed thousands of mailers featuring a copy of an old tax lien Republican Allen West had paid off. But the campaign piece displayed West's Social Security number, forcing West to purchase identity-theft protection for himself and his family. A Democratic spokesman issued a backhanded apology, telling The Palm Beach Post: “In order to stop the crazy West accusations, we will pay for identify-theft monitoring for the next two years.” West refused that offer, and rolled out an ad calling Democratic opponent Ron Klein a “desperate politician," adding, "It makes you wonder what else Klein will do to me, or to you.”
It seems political dirty tricks have gone high-tech this year. A hacker recently brought down the grass-roots FreedomWorks' site for two hours, just as a major fundraiser with Fox News host Glenn Beck got under way. FreedomWorks officials blasted the denial-of-service attack as a "criminal act," and estimated it cost the group over $40,000 in donations. Publicity over the attack helped FreedomWorks make up lost ground, however. Within 48 hours of the attack it had raised $161,000 of the $200,000 it needs to mount a final grass-roots push in the closing days of the campaign.
The worst-ad award may go to a group called Latinos for Reform. It targets Hispanics in Nevada, complaining of Democrats' broken promises. But the ad urges Hispanics in both English and Spanish to stay home on Election Day. "Don't vote this November. This is the only way to send them a clear message: You can no longer take us for granted. Don't vote." Hispanic organizations are blasting the ad as a blatant attempt at voter suppression.

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

This link is for the very page you posted

http://climate.nasa.gov/uncertainties/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>The worst-ad award may go to a group called Latinos for Reform. It targets
>Hispanics in Nevada, complaining of Democrats' broken promises. But the
>ad urges Hispanics in both English and Spanish to stay home on Election
>Day. "Don't vote this November. This is the only way to send them a clear
>message: You can no longer take us for granted. Don't vote." Hispanic
>organizations are blasting the ad as a blatant attempt at voter suppression.

Yep, that is scary. I guess if you can't win on your own, the next best thing is to keep people from voting.

[rushmc 23]

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>The worst-ad award may go to a group called Latinos for Reform. It targets
>Hispanics in Nevada, complaining of Democrats' broken promises. But the
>ad urges Hispanics in both English and Spanish to stay home on Election
>Day. "Don't vote this November. This is the only way to send them a clear
>message: You can no longer take us for granted. Don't vote." Hispanic
>organizations are blasting the ad as a blatant attempt at voter suppression.

Yep, that is scary. I guess if you can't win on your own, the next best thing is to keep people from voting.

Maybe the reasons for the news lately??

Oh, and let us not forget those voting twice

Should all even out dont you think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>Oh, and let us not forget those voting twice

Here's a novel idea that the GOP is going to absolutely _hate_ - how about everyone gets one vote?

[lawrocket 3]

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>Oh, and let us not forget those voting twice

Here's a novel idea that the GOP is going to absolutely _hate_ - how about everyone gets one vote?

I'm not GOP and I've got a problem with that.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 23]

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>Oh, and let us not forget those voting twice

Here's a novel idea that the GOP is going to absolutely _hate_ - how about everyone gets one vote?

The GOP would love it

But the new acorns the the unions will have none of that

(of course we art talking about those who can legally vote, right?)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[skipbelt 0]

hmmm , climate change morphing into scaring voters. let's add NRA , all ballots will be cast by voters who bear arms. ballots will be at 100 yards iron sights . all votes inside candidate's bullseye will be counted till a shot strays from bullseye .
or we could get back to topic and find out planet is actually...
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

[lawrocket 3]

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>The statement admits there is contrary evidence.

Uh, no, it doesn't. That's like saying that "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" admits that there is contrary evidence.

You make a good point Either there is contrary evidence that makes it uncertain or there isn't enough evidence. Therefore, we don't know.

Thank you for clarifying. It's provides a much better explanation - some people latch on to doubt.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 23]

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No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

Interesting stuff

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[skipbelt 0]

thank you rushmc , i can't wait for warmers predictable response !

[CanuckInUSA 0]

There is snow on the ground today in Oilberta. Is this out of the ordinary and a sign that the climate is changing? No not really, it's normal for snow to be on the ground this time of year. Well I guess the climate is changing as it does this time every year up here in the great white north. The climate is changing from fall weather conditions into winter weather conditions. We better tell the messiah it's time to raise taxes if we want to stop all this climate change.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over