a great American , gone

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this fine lady was targeted by margaret sanger...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19jefferson.html?_r=2&ref=obituaries

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No she wasn't. Margaret Sanger was against abortion and for eugenics. From Wikipedia:

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In a chapter from Woman and the New Race (1920) entitled "Contraceptives or Abortion?," Sanger wrote, "While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization".

Her primary rationales for eugenics included retardation, criminality and the like. Again from Wikipedia:

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In A Plan for Peace (1932), for example, Sanger proposed a congressional department to:

Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.[21]

As far as I could tell, she never targeted Dr. Jefferson, unless one could consider Dr. Jefferson retarded. Her thoughts on eugenics did not include race as far as I can tell. Poverty, possibly -- but think of how many people now figure that anyone poor in the US is that way because they're lazy or just don't work hard enough to get ahead -- right?

Dr. Jefferson was a fine lady, and extremely accomplished. I disagree with being against family planning, I'm all for family planning.

I'm just sick of the kind of bullshit inference like "Margaret Sanger targeted Dr. Jefferson" when it's not true. If you can find anything where Margaret Sanger said anything about Dr. Jefferson (who didn't come to national prominence until after Sanger died) I'd be glad to take back what I said.

If you look through well-documented speakers, it's possible to find something that can be taken out of context to paint the picture you're interested in.

"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." Great quote, right? What would your analysis be if I said that Reagan said it? Obama? Thomas Jefferson? The Bible?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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And there I was thinking you were referring to "Boy" in the Tarzan movies.

I fail to see anything great about someone who tries to prevent women from taking control of their own bodies.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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And there I was thinking you were referring to "Boy" in the Tarzan movies.

I fail to see anything great about someone who tries to prevent women from taking control of their own bodies.

Of course you don’t when you don’t finish the sentence. That is how you justify it to yourself.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I fail to see anything great about someone who tries to prevent women from taking control of their own bodies.

How upstanding and pious, but you hate this girl-go figure

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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I fail to see anything great about someone who tries to prevent women from taking control of their own bodies.

How upstanding and pious, but you hate this girl-go figure

Abortion in the late stages of development is not acceptable. But after 4-6 weeks if the woman has uterine cancer or if the baby is a risk of killing the mother you want to prevent the woman from being able to save herself by aborting the baby? Plus, forcing a baby to be born that shows signs of mental and/or physical deformities is absolutely absurd.

B.A.S.E. #1734

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If I was a woman, I'd be LMAO at all the pious bozos.

The problem is that the lunatics are running the asylum so we have anti-abortion laws.

You bozos can't even agree amongst yourselves on when it's "OK" for one to abort.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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it is true wikipedia notwithstanding !

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it is true wikipedia notwithstanding !

That kind of reply makes zero sense. If you have a more accurate source, cite it, and then make a cogent argument on how your source material trumps hers. That's how it works.

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to the expert on how it works...
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger02.html

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to the expert on how it works...

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger02.html

You call that reliable?? That was taken out of a christian magazine. The same magazine that promotes hate speech for homosexuals among other things.

Try again.

B.A.S.E. #1734

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to the expert on how it works...

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger02.html

Come on man

You know if it is not a liberal rag AND,, they do not trash the tea party and GB in the first line it is not reliable

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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to the expert on how it works...

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger02.html

Come on man

You know if it is not a liberal rag AND,, they do not trash the tea party and GB in the first line it is not reliable

shesssh

So you think it needs to be either liberal or conservative and can't just be an unbiased source? See I can make assumptions and smart ass comments too.

B.A.S.E. #1734

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to the expert on how it works...

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger02.html

Come on man

You know if it is not a liberal rag

Like Wikipedia?

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to the expert on how it works...
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger02.html

Come on man
You know if it is not a liberal rag

Like Wikipedia?

thank you , like my dentist says , sometimes the tooth hurts !

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to the expert on how it works...

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger02.html

Come on man

You know if it is not a liberal rag

Like Wikipedia?

thank you , like my dentist says , sometimes the tooth hurts !

Well I suppose if you start with Fox News as your "neutral" source.

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You are free to edit Wikipedia, as long as you can provide sources.

That sources thing is tough -- you can't just make shit up that sounds good.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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a climatologist appeared on c span to share his documentation regarding global warming , a question from the audience elicited his experience with wikipedia. they listed his measurements and analysis the complete opposite of his conclusions. when he was notified he edited the falsehoods with his actual work , since he was the foremost source for his own work. the next time he logged on his topic was returned to the original complete falsehoods. since then i have suspected wikipedia of having an agenda , and i take it with a HUGE grain of salt.