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>If the military was given a green light to, they could target the drug
>runners via UAVs. Blow a bunch of these assholes up . . .

I seem to recall us getting sorta pissed off when Mexicans killed a US 'border jumper.'

I didn't realize a jetski has muzzle velocity.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

>What they are doing right NOW, is reinforcing the crime.

Here's what they are doing now:
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Border arrests land cache of weapons, cash

By Greg Moran

Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 9:18 p.m.

Federal agents seized a cache of guns, ammunition and $51,000 in cash at the border over the weekend in the latest example of the flow of weaponry that heads south from the United States and often ends up in the hands of lethal drug cartels.

In two separate but related arrests, agents with Customs and Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement confiscated 16 weapons, including assault rifles and pistols.
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I'd prefer more of that, rather than less of that, personally.

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>I didn't realize a jetski has muzzle velocity.

Well, not the slower ones.

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What should CBP/Homeland Security actually do??

Not generic "seal the border" or "stop those guys".

It's a huge desert and there are limited assets.

Anyone who suggests increasing the budget either gets clobbered for more deficit spending or increasing taxes.

They have UAVs - There is a National Guard - There are options that are not being taken.

I guess we could stop using money to sue individual states and put that money toward enforcing the crimes.

If the military was given a green light to, they could target the drug runners via UAVs. Blow a bunch of these assholes up, and I bet that would cut down on the illegal traffic a good bunch because of the fear of getting blown up. But it aint gonna happen.

No, it's not. Things like target identification, and possible misidentification kinda put a crimp in that idea. Posse Commitatus (sp?) clearly prevents the military from taking action inside the US. Again, the AZ desert isn't the same as the Pak/Afghan border. It isn't a war zone and the ROE are totally different.

Look at the case of the CBP officer who shot the rock thrower. Rocks can be considered "deadly force" and he still got crucified in the press.
Blow up a group of drug runners (accurately identifying them) and the ACLU, among others, will be all over the "judge, jury and executioner" aspect of it. Using deadly force against someone walking across the desert isn't going to go over really well.

Blow up a bunch of women and kids and it would be a total fuckfest.

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>What they are doing right NOW, is reinforcing the crime.

Here's what they are doing now:
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Border arrests land cache of weapons, cash

By Greg Moran

Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 9:18 p.m.

Federal agents seized a cache of guns, ammunition and $51,000 in cash at the border over the weekend in the latest example of the flow of weaponry that heads south from the United States and often ends up in the hands of lethal drug cartels.

In two separate but related arrests, agents with Customs and Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement confiscated 16 weapons, including assault rifles and pistols.
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I'd prefer more of that, rather than less of that, personally.

That is what they did in July -
Lately they just put up signs informing the citizens of their own country that they are in danger inside their own borders.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

>Lately they just put up signs informing the citizens of their own country that
>they are in danger inside their own borders.

In some places, they are. Warning people of potential dangers is a good idea overall.

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Just thinking out loud, not directed at anybody specifically...

In a fundamental sense, I see two distinct issues that IMO create the problem along your southern border and the massive illegal-immigration and associated ills you suffer because of it.

1) Drug-traffickers: If, somehow, the appetite in North America (my country included) for illicit drugs could be reduced or magically eliminated, trafficking would cease. That is not to say the drug-consuming citizens are to blame, but I do think it contributes incredibly to the problem. My own province has an international reputation for growing BC Bud, and it really does sicken me to see the participation of organized crime groups and gangs of thugs profiting here.

2) Illegals: If we, in North America, reduced our appetite for cheap labour, for labour that we can hide from Worker's Compensation legislation, labour that doesn't cost us the employer contributions to Revenue Canada, (CDN examples, I don't know the applicable US rules), then there would be much fewer jobs available to them. I do believe most actually come to work and better their lives. Without the possibility of work, I think fewer would be inclined to enter the country.

I don't have any answers, although there was a refreshing thread elsewhere here with some interesting thoughts proposing some alternative ideas.

John

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Personally, any attack by another country or it's people taking place in side MY country's borders is completely and totally unacceptable.

Could a similar opinion also apply to, say, UAV drone attacks or incursions inside Pakistan?

Oh shush.. that is different...

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So I've been told.

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What should CBP/Homeland Security actually do??

Not generic "seal the border" or "stop those guys".

It's a huge desert and there are limited assets.

Anyone who suggests increasing the budget either gets clobbered for more deficit spending or increasing taxes.

They have UAVs - There is a National Guard - There are options that are not being taken.

I guess we could stop using money to sue individual states and put that money toward enforcing the crimes.

If the military was given a green light to, they could target the drug runners via UAVs. Blow a bunch of these assholes up, and I bet that would cut down on the illegal traffic a good bunch because of the fear of getting blown up. But it aint gonna happen.

And the first time there is collateral damage and some family is all killed by "mistake" on either side of the border???

Yeah.. that is gonna work REALLLLLY well

Personally I have not seen those boder lines makrd out fairly well from the air... South Arizona Southern New Mexico and Southern Texas.... Northern Mexico pertty much look all the same from 50,000 ft

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Just thinking out loud, not directed at anybody specifically...

In a fundamental sense, I see two distinct issues that IMO create the problem along your southern border and the massive illegal-immigration and associated ills you suffer because of it.

1) Drug-traffickers: If, somehow, the appetite in North America (my country included) for illicit drugs could be reduced or magically eliminated, trafficking would cease. That is not to say the drug-consuming citizens are to blame, but I do think it contributes incredibly to the problem. My own province has an international reputation for growing BC Bud, and it really does sicken me to see the participation of organized crime groups and gangs of thugs profiting here.

2) Illegals: If we, in North America, reduced our appetite for cheap labour, for labour that we can hide from Worker's Compensation legislation, labour that doesn't cost us the employer contributions to Revenue Canada, (CDN examples, I don't know the applicable US rules), then there would be much fewer jobs available to them. I do believe most actually come to work and better their lives. Without the possibility of work, I think fewer would be inclined to enter the country.

I don't have any answers, although there was a refreshing thread elsewhere here with some interesting thoughts proposing some alternative ideas.

John

I think I proposed some things back a few years ago and it would be a hell of a lot better solution than to create a DMZ on our fucking border with Mexico and Canada like some of our less brilliant posters would want.

Enforce the existing laws on immigration....

Put those who benefit the most from the illegal’s..... the people who hire them... where they belong.. JAIL... not the boardrooms across America.

Implement a guest worker program thru the various unemployment agencies across the country. If jobs are not taken by American workers after being up for a given amount of time for those agricultural jobs, give the jobs to the guest workers. I would not even mind putting those who have already entered into the pool as long as they leave first and go home. I would also make another requirement.... LEARN ENGLISH....like everyone else who came to this ENGLISH speaking country has to do.

Have the employers pull from an available pool of guest workers willing to come and work. Have the Employers pay for the transportation to and from the job. If the guest worker does not have the state supplied visa to work... they will not be hired...and make the paperwork very hard to forge and the penalties of having false paperwork VERY harsh, such as losing the right to EVER enter the country again. That goes for ANYONE entering on a tourist visa and staying.... they forfeit any right to ever return.

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What should CBP/Homeland Security actually do??

Not generic "seal the border" or "stop those guys".

It's a huge desert and there are limited assets.

Anyone who suggests increasing the budget either gets clobbered for more deficit spending or increasing taxes.

They have UAVs - There is a National Guard - There are options that are not being taken.

I guess we could stop using money to sue individual states and put that money toward enforcing the crimes.

If the military was given a green light to, they could target the drug runners via UAVs. Blow a bunch of these assholes up, and I bet that would cut down on the illegal traffic a good bunch because of the fear of getting blown up. But it aint gonna happen.

No, it's not. Things like target identification, and possible misidentification kinda put a crimp in that idea. Posse Commitatus (sp?) clearly prevents the military from taking action inside the US. Again, the AZ desert isn't the same as the Pak/Afghan border. It isn't a war zone and the ROE are totally different.

Look at the case of the CBP officer who shot the rock thrower. Rocks can be considered "deadly force" and he still got crucified in the press.
Blow up a group of drug runners (accurately identifying them) and the ACLU, among others, will be all over the "judge, jury and executioner" aspect of it. Using deadly force against someone walking across the desert isn't going to go over really well.

Blow up a bunch of women and kids and it would be a total fuckfest.

Why do they got to blow shit up? UAV's have great optics for spying on shit. They could report locatios of illeagal crossings to the border patrol and highly increase their effectivness.

To offset the costs of the UAV's I say ground Pelosi's aircraft. I think we would actually make money and have a way more secure border.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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Why do they got to blow shit up? UAV's have great optics for spying on shit. They could report locatios of illeagal crossings to the border patrol and highly increase their effectivness.

To offset the costs of the UAV's I say ground Pelosi's aircraft. I think we would actually make money and have a way more secure border.

From Wiki: The (US-Mexico) border's total length is 3,169 km (1,969 miles), according to figures given by the International Boundary and Water Commission.[1]

And from countrystudies.us: Pakistan's boundary with Afghanistan is about 2,250 kilometers long.

So, the Afghan-Pakistan border is 71% the length of the US-Mexico border. While the terrain is certainly more rugged in Afghanistan, if it is so easy to seal our border with Mexico using a few UAVs, why are we having such a tough time of it in Afghanistan?

- Dan G

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What should CBP/Homeland Security actually do??

Not generic "seal the border" or "stop those guys".

It's a huge desert and there are limited assets.

Anyone who suggests increasing the budget either gets clobbered for more deficit spending or increasing taxes.

They have UAVs - There is a National Guard - There are options that are not being taken.

I guess we could stop using money to sue individual states and put that money toward enforcing the crimes.

If the military was given a green light to, they could target the drug runners via UAVs. Blow a bunch of these assholes up, and I bet that would cut down on the illegal traffic a good bunch because of the fear of getting blown up. But it aint gonna happen.

No, it's not. Things like target identification, and possible misidentification kinda put a crimp in that idea. Posse Commitatus (sp?) clearly prevents the military from taking action inside the US. Again, the AZ desert isn't the same as the Pak/Afghan border. It isn't a war zone and the ROE are totally different.

Look at the case of the CBP officer who shot the rock thrower. Rocks can be considered "deadly force" and he still got crucified in the press.
Blow up a group of drug runners (accurately identifying them) and the ACLU, among others, will be all over the "judge, jury and executioner" aspect of it. Using deadly force against someone walking across the desert isn't going to go over really well.

Blow up a bunch of women and kids and it would be a total fuckfest.

Why do they got to blow shit up? UAV's have great optics for spying on shit. They could report locatios of illeagal crossings to the border patrol and highly increase their effectivness.

To offset the costs of the UAV's I say ground Pelosi's aircraft. I think we would actually make money and have a way more secure border.

Uh because that is SUPPOSED to be what the military is good at ... DUH

Historically.. when forced into other roles.. they seem to revert to what they are trained to do and not the job at hand.

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It must really be a bitch having to check for so many groups boogeymen under yall's beds everynight.

Oh man this cracks me up...my step daughter (who sucks at spelling obviously) was watching me play halo a few months ago and saw the name of one of the people on my team...she was like who is that ASS ASSIN guy talking....after laughing hysterically at her I told her its pronounced assassin...not ASS ASSIN....priceless.

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>UAV's have great optics for spying on shit. They could report locatios of
>illeagal crossings to the border patrol and highly increase their effectivness.

That is a good idea, and would indeed be a better use of those resources.

>To offset the costs of the UAV's I say ground Pelosi's aircraft.

Or better yet, just take all that money that foreigners are donating to republican's campaigns and use that!

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It must really be a bitch having to check for so many groups boogeymen under yall's beds everynight.

any words on the OP?

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Or better yet, just take all that money that foreigners are donating to republican's campaigns and use that!

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Democratic leaders in the House and Senate alleging GOP groups have funneled foreign money into campaign ads have seen their party raise more than $1 million from political action committees affiliated with foreign companies.

House and Senate Democrats have received about $1.02 million this cycle from such PACs, according to an analysis compiled for The Hill by the Center for Responsive Politics. House and Senate GOP leaders have taken almost $510,000 from PACs on the same list.

Looks like we should be starting with the Dems in that regard.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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