skyrider 0 #1 October 18, 2010 One sure fired way to get the votes in California, Kiss up to illegals..... http://www.breitbart.tv/brown-pledges-special-college-admission-for-illegals-one-of-first-bills-ill-sign/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #2 October 18, 2010 Cool! That'll mean all the foreign tandem masters and packers that are working here illegally on tourist visas can take some classes while they're here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #3 October 18, 2010 Quote Cool! That'll mean all the foreign tandem masters and packers that are working here illegally on tourist visas can take some classes while they're here. Skydiving has become a great place for "over seas" illegals to hide...thats for damn sure! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #4 October 18, 2010 Quote Quote Cool! That'll mean all the foreign tandem masters and packers that are working here illegally on tourist visas can take some classes while they're here. Skydiving has become a great place for "over seas" illegals to hide...thats for damn sure! Lighten up a little! They're just doing work that Americans won't do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #5 October 18, 2010 As long as they're paying non-resident tuition... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #6 October 18, 2010 QuoteAs long as they're paying non-resident tuition... They are "ILLEGAL".... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #7 October 18, 2010 QuoteQuoteAs long as they're paying non-resident tuition... They are "ILLEGAL".... Yeah... that makes them non residents. I don't care if they want to go to school, I just don't want them doing it on my dime. If they wanna pay the full cost of tuition, doesn't bother me, and perhaps when they return home they can help raise the standard of living there so we won't have so many here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #8 October 18, 2010 if they pay non resident tuition, I don't think there would be any problem. But imagine for a few seconds, that you're in this country illegally, lying to just about everyone about your residency status. When it comes time to fill out applications for college, are you going to claim that you've been in-state as a resident long enough to get in-state tuition, or are you going to tell the truth and pay international student tuition rates?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #9 October 18, 2010 >As long as they're paying non-resident tuition... Agreed. If they want to come here and pay for their schooling, why not? It supports our school systems, gets them better educated and improves the lives of their families. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 October 18, 2010 Quoteif they pay non resident tuition, I don't think there would be any problem. But imagine for a few seconds, that you're in this country illegally, lying to just about everyone about your residency status. When it comes time to fill out applications for college, are you going to claim that you've been in-state as a resident long enough to get in-state tuition, or are you going to tell the truth and pay international student tuition rates? As there are a lot of documents required for college that aren't required for high school, they probably will be stuck at the international rate, which is just fine with me. Even private student loan companies usually require you to fill out a FAFSA form, if only to show that you aren't getting anything from the government, and for a FAFSA to go through, everything has to match, and the banks can reach the feds through the computers. You can't just flash a forged document and walk in the door like you can at an elementary school. And frankly, with the mess this state is in, I've got more important things to worry about than some kids that were dragged here by their parents and didn't have any choice in the matter. I'm not going to begrudge anybody an education if they want it and have a way to pay for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 October 18, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs long as they're paying non-resident tuition... They are "ILLEGAL".... Yeah... that makes them non residents. sure - now it makes them illegal and non-residents if they want to go to school - there's a legal way to be here in terms of student visas - then they can be legal non-residents ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #12 October 18, 2010 incrementalism lurking ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #13 October 18, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAs long as they're paying non-resident tuition... They are "ILLEGAL".... Yeah... that makes them non residents. sure - now it makes them illegal and non-residents if they want to go to school - there's a legal way to be here in terms of student visas - then they can be legal non-residents That is an awesome idea. And if you make it so someone can apply for one while inside the US, great. Otherwise nobody's going to do it. Allow it, and it's an incentive for the whole family to return to the home country afterward, because they now have someone capable of supporting them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #14 October 18, 2010 QuoteAs long as they're paying non-resident tuition... If you are paying taxes in a state, you are supporting the colleges with your tax dollars. So, you are still essentially paying for their education with your money still. If taxpayers are paying to support colleges, then they should get the first benefit. The secondary benefit is a future populace with an advanced education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #15 October 18, 2010 by taxpayer do you mean illegal alien ? always on the lookout for new euphamisms ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 October 18, 2010 QuoteThat is an awesome idea. And if you make it so someone can apply for one while inside the US, great. agreed - and it would have to involve the illegal turning themselves in, and then convincing INS that they have something to offer in return for a student visa.....and taking the chance that they might just be deported for the criminal act in the first place.... admitting the crime and then taking responsibility for it is the first step - someone like that, I'd take a chance on. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #17 October 18, 2010 QuoteQuoteAs long as they're paying non-resident tuition... If you are paying taxes in a state, you are supporting the colleges with your tax dollars. So, you are still essentially paying for their education with your money still. If taxpayers are paying to support colleges, then they should get the first benefit. The secondary benefit is a future populace with an advanced education. Correct. The non-resident tuition does not cover the full cost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #18 October 18, 2010 >and it would have to involve the illegal turning themselves in, and then >convincing INS that they have something to offer in return for a student >visa.....and taking the chance that they might just be deported for the >criminal act in the first place.... If it was the policy of the INS to not deport someone under those conditions (provided that they had not committed any other crimes etc) then sure, that would be a good way to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #19 October 18, 2010 Quote >As long as they're paying non-resident tuition... Agreed. If they want to come here and pay for their schooling, why not? It supports our school systems, gets them better educated and improves the lives of their families. Because "they" didn't pay the price that Millions of other imigrants payed to come here,, "Legally".. WHY do they deserve to be treated like anything short of criminals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #20 October 18, 2010 Quote>and it would have to involve the illegal turning themselves in, and then >convincing INS that they have something to offer in return for a student >visa.....and taking the chance that they might just be deported for the >criminal act in the first place.... If it was the policy of the INS to not deport someone under those conditions (provided that they had not committed any other crimes etc) then sure, that would be a good way to do it. Exactly. If someone was brought here when they were a small child, it's not really their crime, it's their parents' crime, and they should not be punished for it, and should be given the chance to apply for a student visa like anyone else. I'm all for punishing people for their crimes. I don't like punishing someone for what somebody else did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #21 October 18, 2010 Quote Because "they" didn't pay the price that Millions of other imigrants payed to come here,, "Legally".. WHY do they deserve to be treated like anything short of criminals? See other thread on immigration reforms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #22 October 18, 2010 Quote Quote >and it would have to involve the illegal turning themselves in, and then >convincing INS that they have something to offer in return for a student >visa.....and taking the chance that they might just be deported for the >criminal act in the first place.... If it was the policy of the INS to not deport someone under those conditions (provided that they had not committed any other crimes etc) then sure, that would be a good way to do it. Exactly. If someone was brought here when they were a small child, it's not really their crime, it's their parents' crime, and they should not be punished for it, and should be given the chance to apply for a student visa like anyone else. I'm all for punishing people for their crimes. I don't like punishing someone for what somebody else did. Opening the gates for more parents to sneak over...yeah...that makes sense! it make a hell of a lot more sense to either close the border,(Solid) OR better yet, mexico and south america to join us! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #23 October 18, 2010 Quote Quote Because "they" didn't pay the price that Millions of other imigrants payed to come here,, "Legally".. WHY do they deserve to be treated like anything short of criminals? See other thread on immigration reforms. Why? I am talking here, about "this" thread...WTF is it with nothing can be repeated around here?if that is the "rule" then shouldn;t all the "Fuck Bush/Fuck Obama" threadss be ended? that shit has already been covered in other threads! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #24 October 18, 2010 Quote it make a hell of a lot more sense to either close the border,(Solid) OR better yet, mexico and south america to join us! LOL. When you come up with a way to close the border that we can actually accomplish, let the government know. If it could be done, they'd have done it. Only reason places like North Korea manage is that people don't want in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 October 18, 2010 Quoteby taxpayer do you mean illegal alien ? always on the lookout for new euphamisms ! and when we're talking about an 18yo "taxpayer," we're not talking about a lot of tax dollars. In the past quarter there have been a number of articles in newspapers in SF about the unfortunately illegal alien college students, struggling to make ends meet because they're ineligible for most scholarships. They certainly not paying the out of state rate, which would be unaffordable to most. I can feel for them...but at the same time the UC system is unable to meet the needs of its legal citizens. The master plan promises that students that meet their requirements will be admitted to at least one of the UC schools, but the population growth and funding issues means this is no longer true. The kid who crossed the border when he was 8 may be deserving, but I don't think he's more deserving than these other folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
