SkyDekker 1,465 #51 October 18, 2010 Quote"Desire to blame and demonize others" (......check) ... means what, f.e.?? I'd really love to meet the *checker* It is when it becomes widely acceptable to blame one race or group of people for all the woe's, worries and problems. For the other poster on the german economy. I understand forecast numbers are strong, mainly based on exports. Just remember that last year Germany's economy had its worst year since WWII. Things are not well in Europe, and muslims and immigrants are going to get the biggest blame for it. There will be significantly more violence in the future years and nationalist movements will get significantly stronger. All this to say that stating there are no parallels is wrong, IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #52 October 18, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Not looking to win, just sharing my viewpoint...Nazi Germany and today's Germany are two completely different historical contexts with not much to compare. Is it? I am not so sure that is true. Weak economy.....check Desire to blame and demonize others......check And this isn't just germany either. This sentiment is large, and growing, in many parts of Western Europe. "Desire to blame and demonize others" (......check) ... means what, f.e.?? I'd really love to meet the *checker* I did not see in any of her comments where she "demonized" anyone. I suspect that people who write that, did not read the actual article. Quote She said too little had been required of immigrants in the past and repeated her usual line that they should learn German in order to get by in school and have opportunities on the labour market. I see her comments are positive and constructive. Identifying problems and providing solutions. It is fair to expect that people to acquire entry-level education and employment skills. You cannot help them otherwise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #53 October 18, 2010 why accept "multikulti" , when you're grubbing for so much more. Angela worries about islamic takeover , and why shouldn't she. a lot of current terror threats being taken very seriously indeed. and they aren't christian terrorists ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #54 October 18, 2010 Thank you for making my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #55 October 18, 2010 QuoteThank you for making my point. Your point being that Poland is going to get invaded soon because some American dude slagged on Muslims? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #56 October 18, 2010 Quote why accept "multikulti" , when you're grubbing for so much more. Angela worries about islamic takeover , and why shouldn't she. a lot of current terror threats being taken very seriously indeed. and they aren't christian terrorists ! Quote Thank you for making my point. You really need such a BS for *making your point* ?? Wow. A new low. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 October 18, 2010 QuoteThings are not well in Europe, and muslims and immigrants are going to get the biggest blame for it. I suspect that any group that identifies itself as separate from the mainstream will not only attract unfair blame for problems, but are also likely to cast unfair blame on other cultural groupings. This again refers back to healthy vs unhealthy integration. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #58 October 18, 2010 when it comes to islam , resistance is futile - 7 of 9 - ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #59 October 18, 2010 QuoteI suspect that any group that identifies itself as separate from the mainstream will not only attract unfair blame for problems, ... Right, which is what the jews went through. You make my point for me, there are similarities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #60 October 19, 2010 QuoteQuoteI suspect that any group that identifies itself as separate from the mainstream will not only attract unfair blame for problems, ... Right, which is what the jews went through. You make my point for me, there are similarities. Paging Godwin, yet again. The only similarity is that this is Germany. The similarities stop there. Now get a real point. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #61 October 19, 2010 QuotePaging Godwin, yet again. The only similarity is that this is Germany. The similarities stop there. So any argument containing Hitler cannot be had, due to Godwin? No wonder you guys keep electing stupid people.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #62 October 19, 2010 QuoteQuotePaging Godwin, yet again. The only similarity is that this is Germany. The similarities stop there. So any argument containing Hitler cannot be had, due to Godwin? No wonder you guys keep electing stupid people.... Still waiting for some solid comparisons from you, Andy or quade between Merkel's speech about immigrants and language and Hitler's Germany. The economy thing was really weak...try harder. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #63 October 19, 2010 QuoteStill waiting for some solid comparisons from you, Andy or quade between Merkel's speech about immigrants and language and Hitler's Germany. Shazam! http://tobia.sgrab.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/hitler-merkel.jpg http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/Angela-Merkel-001.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #64 October 19, 2010 Quote Still waiting for some solid comparisons from you, Andy or quade between Merkel's speech about immigrants and language and Hitler's Germany. You want me to give you comparisons between a speech and a country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #65 October 19, 2010 Quote Quote Still waiting for some solid comparisons from you, Andy or quade between Merkel's speech about immigrants and language and Hitler's Germany. You want me to give you comparisons between a speech and a country. One cop-out after another. Thank you for proving my point -- that being that neither of you have one. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #66 October 19, 2010 some will defend muslims , to the death. the only real benefit tbeing an infidel is muslims kill each other at a greater rate than infidels . but if they ever start concentrating on infidels bonus time is over ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #67 October 19, 2010 Quote Quote Still waiting for some solid comparisons from you, Andy or quade between Merkel's speech about immigrants and language and Hitler's Germany. Shazam! http://tobia.sgrab.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/hitler-merkel.jpg http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/11/Angela-Merkel-001.jpg Wow Feel 25 yrs younger, suddenly? That's the new platform of The Three Po-Faced? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #68 October 19, 2010 QuoteOne cop-out after another. You ask for something impossible, and when that is pointed out, you call it a cop out. That's some pretty funny stuff. Germany's economy is recovering from its worst year in over 50 years. In most of Europe (and certainly including Germany) there is a very strong sentiment among large portions of the population to blame most if not all problems in their countries on a very distinct group. If you don't see any similarities between that and late 1930's Germany, then I can't help you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #69 October 19, 2010 Quote .... You ask for something impossible, and when that is pointed out, you call it a cop out. That's some pretty funny stuff. QuoteGermany's economy is recovering from its worst year in over 50 years. This "worst year" has what to do with the Hitler era? QuoteIn most of Europe (and certainly including Germany) there is a very strong sentiment among large portions of the population to blame most if not all problems in their countries on a very distinct group. Which European countries are *most*? And why *(certainly including Germany)*? Details?? Which distinct or individual groups are we blaming for *problems (in their countries)? Your post is nothing more than pure blanket nescience. BTW: Until today, we did not blame any problems on Muslims, like others love to do. (That's a lo-fi comment, I know; made just in order to keep on with conversation level.) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skipbelt 0 #70 October 20, 2010 maybe the muslims don't want to integrate , but then that's because the intolerants are forcing them to not want to !imagine how much these religion of peacers would integrate...http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/19/reports-gunmen-storm-chechen-government-buildings/?test=latestnews Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4000m 0 #71 October 20, 2010 Quote Germany's economy is recovering from its worst year in over 50 years. Of course, Germany was affected by the global economic downturn, but that's very logical for an economy focused on export. However, unemployment rate has dropped to 7,2%, the lowest rate in years and the economic growth for 2010 is expected to be >2%. Downturn in 2009 was -2,7%, but thats nothing compared to some years in the mid 80s, especially if you consider that the west of Germany is still the economic powerhouse of the nation and heavily subsidising the 5 new federal states (former East Germany). The reunification alone cost 1,5 Trillion Euro (=2,13 Trillion CAD). Quote In most of Europe (and certainly including Germany) there is a very strong sentiment among large portions of the population to blame most if not all problems in their countries on a very distinct group. Politicians? Quote If you don't see any similarities between that and late 1930's Germany, then I can't help you No, honestly the situation is completely different. What are the similarities you mentioned?Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/4000meter Youtube Favorites: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjnVsp4Epra-PRDETgrF3M04B3X86X1eh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #72 October 20, 2010 QuoteHowever, unemployment rate has dropped to 7,2%, the lowest rate in years and the economic growth for 2010 is expected to be >2%. Downturn in 2009 was -2,7%, but thats nothing compared to some years in the mid 80s, especially if you consider that the west of Germany is still the economic powerhouse of the nation and heavily subsidising the 5 new federal states (former East Germany). The reunification alone cost 1,5 Trillion Euro (=2,13 Trillion CAD). Yet one third of german's wants to send the 7 million foreign workers home to protect german jobs. 17.2% agreed that "even today, jews have too much influence". 35.6% agreed that Germany is in serious risk of being overrun by foreigners. 58.4% agree that the practice of Islam should be restrcited, eventhough your constitution guarantees freedom of religion. And when asked if Germany should have a fuhrer who leads with a forceful hand for the good of everyone, 13.2% supporte dthe statement outright and 15.9% agreed with some aspects of the idea. 14.9% of Germans agreed with the statement: "There is something special about jews, something peculiar, and they just don't really fit in with us. The percentages are on the rise, compared to 2003. Stick your head in the sand all you want. I do see the similarities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4000m 0 #73 October 20, 2010 Ok, I do agree that those figures are extremly embarassing But I also think that the results are not typically for Germany only, but the same survey would bring similar results in other countries as well. Uneducated and stupid people exist around the globe. To defend my fellow countrymen at least a little bit: The situation in some areas of some German cities is quite complicated. The German imigration policy was way to lax in the past. People without any qualification and without the intention to adjust at least a little bit were tolerated way to long. I am NOT talking about fugitives here, but about people who came to this country by free will. This is a the major difference, for example in comparison with the Canadian imigration rules. Some of those people are now exploting the social system, which causes a lot of anger by the people who actually pay the taxes. Honestly, I don't care if the tower next to my house belongs to a church or a mosque, but many Germans feel threatened by the fact that they could soon be a minority in "their" own country. There is a huge difference between justifieable concerns and xenophobia. Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/4000meter Youtube Favorites: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjnVsp4Epra-PRDETgrF3M04B3X86X1eh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 35 #74 October 20, 2010 My personal view is that countries can set their own rules and laws and taxes, etc. Immigrants should have to follow the laws of the countries they enter, not the one they left. This is a concern to me because if Muslim immigrants over-run a predominantly non-Muslim country, who's to say they won't start imposing their will over the rest of the population? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #75 October 20, 2010 Quote Ok, I do agree that those figures are extremly embarassing But I also think that the results are not typically for Germany only, but the same survey would bring similar results in other countries as well. Uneducated and stupid people exist around the globe. To defend my fellow countrymen at least a little bit: The situation in some areas of some German cities is quite complicated. The German imigration policy was way to lax in the past. People without any qualification and without the intention to adjust at least a little bit were tolerated way to long. I am NOT talking about fugitives here, but about people who came to this country by free will. This is a the major difference, for example in comparison with the Canadian imigration rules. Some of those people are now exploting the social system, which causes a lot of anger by the people who actually pay the taxes. Honestly, I don't care if the tower next to my house belongs to a church or a mosque, but many Germans feel threatened by the fact that they could soon be a minority in "their" own country. There is a huge difference between justifieable concerns and xenophobia. I can't wait to see the comments that generates. Oh wait, you're European, so you won't get the same grief.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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skipbelt 0 #70 October 20, 2010 maybe the muslims don't want to integrate , but then that's because the intolerants are forcing them to not want to !imagine how much these religion of peacers would integrate...http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/19/reports-gunmen-storm-chechen-government-buildings/?test=latestnews Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4000m 0 #71 October 20, 2010 Quote Germany's economy is recovering from its worst year in over 50 years. Of course, Germany was affected by the global economic downturn, but that's very logical for an economy focused on export. However, unemployment rate has dropped to 7,2%, the lowest rate in years and the economic growth for 2010 is expected to be >2%. Downturn in 2009 was -2,7%, but thats nothing compared to some years in the mid 80s, especially if you consider that the west of Germany is still the economic powerhouse of the nation and heavily subsidising the 5 new federal states (former East Germany). The reunification alone cost 1,5 Trillion Euro (=2,13 Trillion CAD). Quote In most of Europe (and certainly including Germany) there is a very strong sentiment among large portions of the population to blame most if not all problems in their countries on a very distinct group. Politicians? Quote If you don't see any similarities between that and late 1930's Germany, then I can't help you No, honestly the situation is completely different. What are the similarities you mentioned?Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/4000meter Youtube Favorites: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjnVsp4Epra-PRDETgrF3M04B3X86X1eh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #72 October 20, 2010 QuoteHowever, unemployment rate has dropped to 7,2%, the lowest rate in years and the economic growth for 2010 is expected to be >2%. Downturn in 2009 was -2,7%, but thats nothing compared to some years in the mid 80s, especially if you consider that the west of Germany is still the economic powerhouse of the nation and heavily subsidising the 5 new federal states (former East Germany). The reunification alone cost 1,5 Trillion Euro (=2,13 Trillion CAD). Yet one third of german's wants to send the 7 million foreign workers home to protect german jobs. 17.2% agreed that "even today, jews have too much influence". 35.6% agreed that Germany is in serious risk of being overrun by foreigners. 58.4% agree that the practice of Islam should be restrcited, eventhough your constitution guarantees freedom of religion. And when asked if Germany should have a fuhrer who leads with a forceful hand for the good of everyone, 13.2% supporte dthe statement outright and 15.9% agreed with some aspects of the idea. 14.9% of Germans agreed with the statement: "There is something special about jews, something peculiar, and they just don't really fit in with us. The percentages are on the rise, compared to 2003. Stick your head in the sand all you want. I do see the similarities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4000m 0 #73 October 20, 2010 Ok, I do agree that those figures are extremly embarassing But I also think that the results are not typically for Germany only, but the same survey would bring similar results in other countries as well. Uneducated and stupid people exist around the globe. To defend my fellow countrymen at least a little bit: The situation in some areas of some German cities is quite complicated. The German imigration policy was way to lax in the past. People without any qualification and without the intention to adjust at least a little bit were tolerated way to long. I am NOT talking about fugitives here, but about people who came to this country by free will. This is a the major difference, for example in comparison with the Canadian imigration rules. Some of those people are now exploting the social system, which causes a lot of anger by the people who actually pay the taxes. Honestly, I don't care if the tower next to my house belongs to a church or a mosque, but many Germans feel threatened by the fact that they could soon be a minority in "their" own country. There is a huge difference between justifieable concerns and xenophobia. Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/4000meter Youtube Favorites: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjnVsp4Epra-PRDETgrF3M04B3X86X1eh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #74 October 20, 2010 My personal view is that countries can set their own rules and laws and taxes, etc. Immigrants should have to follow the laws of the countries they enter, not the one they left. This is a concern to me because if Muslim immigrants over-run a predominantly non-Muslim country, who's to say they won't start imposing their will over the rest of the population? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #75 October 20, 2010 Quote Ok, I do agree that those figures are extremly embarassing But I also think that the results are not typically for Germany only, but the same survey would bring similar results in other countries as well. Uneducated and stupid people exist around the globe. To defend my fellow countrymen at least a little bit: The situation in some areas of some German cities is quite complicated. The German imigration policy was way to lax in the past. People without any qualification and without the intention to adjust at least a little bit were tolerated way to long. I am NOT talking about fugitives here, but about people who came to this country by free will. This is a the major difference, for example in comparison with the Canadian imigration rules. Some of those people are now exploting the social system, which causes a lot of anger by the people who actually pay the taxes. Honestly, I don't care if the tower next to my house belongs to a church or a mosque, but many Germans feel threatened by the fact that they could soon be a minority in "their" own country. There is a huge difference between justifieable concerns and xenophobia. I can't wait to see the comments that generates. Oh wait, you're European, so you won't get the same grief.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
