Kanzlerin Merkel: Multiculturalism A Failure in Germany

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Germany's attempt to create a multicultural society has "utterly failed," Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday.

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[airdvr 210]

She has big ones. Can you imagine the left's reaction if a president spoke the truth in this way.

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[Andy9o8 2]

I only clicked in long enough to make sure the OP had to do with Muslims.
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I only clicked in long enough to make sure the OP had to do with Muslims.
Mission accomplished.

Yep...not allowed to have this discusion?

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[quade 4]

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She has big ones.

Considering Germany's past in dealing with multi-culturalism, I think she might want to crack open a history book.

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[billvon 3,090]

>Germany's attempt to create a multicultural society has "utterly failed"

That's too bad. Glad we succeeded where Germany failed.

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>Germany's attempt to create a multicultural society has "utterly failed"

That's too bad. Glad we succeeded where Germany failed.

Have we?

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[jakee 1,571]

So the preferable alternatives are isolationism or social engineering?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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So the preferable alternatives are isolationism or social engineering?

And the fear mongering from the left begins. That article is not talking either of those alternatives. Did you even read it?

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[shropshire 0]

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So the preferable alternatives are isolationism or social engineering?

Neither. I think her point was that immigrants should make more of an effort to learn the language of their host country so they can better help themselves.

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She said too little had been required of immigrants in the past and repeated her usual line that they should learn German in order to get by in school and have opportunities on the labour market.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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She has big ones.

Considering Germany's past in dealing with multi-culturalism, I think she might want to crack open a history book.

Nice light reference to Godwin, as we often see in these types of threads.

So along those lines, I'm sure you will equally condemn Turks (and the Turkish immigrants who deny that this ever took place) for their poor multicultural record, right?

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[billvon 3,090]

>Have we?

Good question. Perhaps you could stop by a local pub and contemplate it over a good Belgian beer, a margarita, or a Guinness. Have a frankfurter, fried dumplings or some nachos while you think about it.

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>Have we?

Good question. Perhaps you could stop by a local pub and contemplate it over a good Belgian beer, a margarita, or a Guinness. Have a frankfurter, fried dumplings or some nachos while you think about it.

I didn't realize we were talking cuisine...

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So the preferable alternatives are isolationism or social engineering?

Neither. I think her point was that immigrants should make more of an effort to learn the language of their host country so they can better help themselves.

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She said too little had been required of immigrants in the past and repeated her usual line that they should learn German in order to get by in school and have opportunities on the labour market.

Just like they learnt Polish

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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She has big ones.

Considering Germany's past in dealing with multi-culturalism, I think she might want to crack open a history book.

Nice light reference to Godwin, as we often see in these types of threads.

So, you don't think it's appropriate to compare one leader of Germany and her views on ethnic/religious tolerance with another?

Sorry, but you don't get to "win" by invoking "Godwin's Law" here.

Sometimes a direct comparison is appropriate.

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She has big ones.

Considering Germany's past in dealing with multi-culturalism, I think she might want to crack open a history book.

Nice light reference to Godwin, as we often see in these types of threads.

So, you don't think it's appropriate to compare one leader of Germany and her views on ethnic/religious tolerance with another?

Sorry, but you don't get to "win" by invoking "Godwin's Law" here.

Sometimes a direct comparison is appropriate.

A direct comparison between which German leaders ?

You seem to have a direct problem with Germany, right?

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[jakee 1,571]

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So the preferable alternatives are isolationism or social engineering?

And the fear mongering from the left begins. That article is not talking either of those alternatives. Did you even read it?

Fear mongering?

The contention is that multicuturalism in Germany has failed (whatever that actually means). You basically then have 3 options: Live with it; Stop taking immigrants from other cultures: Social Engineering to require or heavily promote integration. The article doesn't need to say that for it to be true

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Neither.

Interesting then, that the 7th word in your quote was "required"

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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She has big ones.

Considering Germany's past in dealing with multi-culturalism, I think she might want to crack open a history book.

Nice light reference to Godwin, as we often see in these types of threads.

So, you don't think it's appropriate to compare one leader of Germany and her views on ethnic/religious tolerance with another?

Sorry, but you don't get to "win" by invoking "Godwin's Law" here.

Sometimes a direct comparison is appropriate.

A direct comparison between which German leaders ?

You seem to have a direct problem with Germany, right?

It is not unreasonable for people who know and understand history to examine whether the German multicultural intolerance of the 1930s and 1940s was not eliminated, but simply lying dormant for decades, waiting for enough time to pass so that it could re-emerge. And thus it is not unreasonable to examine whether Merkel's remarks reflect such a re-emergence. Trying to deflect that examination by suggesting that a person "has a problem with Germany" is as misguided and amateurish as, for example, American racists yelling "race card!" every time someone points out apparent racism.

So yes, Paul [quade] was spot-on when he said that simply yelling "Godwin's law!" neither wins nor ends the discussion.

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It is not unreasonable for people who know and understand history to examine whether the German multicultural intolerance of the 1930s and 1940s was not eliminated, but simply lying dormant for decades, waiting for enough time to pass so that it could re-emerge. And thus it is not unreasonable to examine whether Merkel's remarks reflect such a re-emergence. Trying to deflect that examination by suggesting that a person "has a problem with Germany" is as misguided and amateurish as, for example, American racists yelling "race card!" every time someone points out apparent racism.

So yes, Paul [quade] was spot-on when he said that simply yelling "Godwin's law!" neither wins nor ends the discussion.

Who really "knows and understands" (our) history? I mean here, on this site? - as nearly nobody knows anything about todays Germany?

(Not you, Mikey, I do not talk to you)

Who really *knows* what "... is lying dormant ..." ???

(It's a sass to use such an allegation. And do you know why? As you do not know!)

Andy 908man, most of your country fellowmen do not even find Germany on the map. So let's not to talk about any political "trend" over here which most (US) posters do not understand.

So yes, Paul (the Quade) was right. Regarding "Godwins Law", I mean.

For the rest: No, he's wrong. Absolutely. Amateurish post. Jeez. A mod, oh man

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She has big ones.

Considering Germany's past in dealing with multi-culturalism, I think she might want to crack open a history book.

Nice light reference to Godwin, as we often see in these types of threads.

So, you don't think it's appropriate to compare one leader of Germany and her views on ethnic/religious tolerance with another?

Sure, we can take your historically founded suspicion into account for a comparison:

Hitler and Merkel -- both leaders of Germany, and they're quite different.

Germany 1932 and Germany 2010 are both instances of time in Germany's history. They're also quite different.

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So yes, Paul [quade] was spot-on when he said that simply yelling "Godwin's law!" neither wins nor ends the discussion.

Hey thanks.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Andy9o8 2]

Sorry your panties are in a knot. I stand by my post.

[Andy9o8 2]

The "other countries did it, too" excuse is highly lame.