France warns of Terrorist attack . . .

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. . . in the UK!

Wait a minute. Isn't France just as likely to be attacked?

The question I have, is two fold:
1) Are they just tryong to decrease tourism in the UK, and
2) If so, why?

Are they that desperate to keep their own populations from spending money abroad, or just in the UK.

Could this be purely a political move?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[popsjumper 2]

Well, I don't want to go to UK now so where else can I go?
I know! France!
Oh wait...Afghanistan would be a better choice.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Well, there was a Brit killed in Pakistan.

And they arrested a bunch of dudes with a bunch of guns in Avingon, Bordeaux and Marsailles too.

There seems to be a number of plots for "Mumbay-style" raids, where a bunch of guys with guns storm hotels, airports, tourist sites and such to kill as many civilians as they can.

Makes having the public disarmed and as vulnerable as a flock of sheep seem a little foolish doesn't it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1318168/Terrorist-attack-Britain-likely-according-French-Foreign-Ministry-warning.html

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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I'm pretty sure it's not the French trying to torpedo Brit tourism...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[turtlespeed 226]

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I'm pretty sure it's not the French trying to torpedo Brit tourism...

Well it seems by calling them out by name they are.

france is in Europe, but your article doesn't emphasize the warning to not go to france.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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if they're anything like us, they can just absorb the attack !

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.6f90940f6d9bb44d73f1c586d3a44fbb.1021&show_article=1


i write this while listening to
4:94 -haydin-

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1) No. Many western European governments have issued similar warnings including the UK and German governments. France has also raised its own alert level to red which the second highest level they have, scarlet coming first. The Eiffel Tower has been evacuated twice recently because of bomb threats. So again, no.

2) See 1

[billvon 3,116]

>Are they that desperate to keep their own populations from spending
>money abroad, or just in the UK.

No.

>Could this be purely a political move?

No.

If France knew about another pending 9/11, and they didn't tell us, and we lost another 3000 US citizens - would you be glad that US tourism had not been impacted by France's warning? Or would you be a bit upset that they did not notify us?

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if they're anything like us, they can just absorb the attack !
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Who's "they"??

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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>Are they that desperate to keep their own populations from spending
>money abroad, or just in the UK.

No.

>Could this be purely a political move?

No.

If France knew about another pending 9/11, and they didn't tell us, and we lost another 3000 US citizens - would you be glad that US tourism had not been impacted by France's warning? Or would you be a bit upset that they did not notify us?

You didn't read the article did you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,116]

>You didn't read the article did you?

You didn't post an article. I did read the article Joe posted.

[turtlespeed 226]

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. . . in the UK!

Wait a minute. Isn't France just as likely to be attacked?

The question I have, is two fold:
1) Are they just tryong to decrease tourism in the UK, and
2) If so, why?

Are they that desperate to keep their own populations from spending money abroad, or just in the UK.

Could this be purely a political move?

Damn, Bill was right - I never attached the article.

Sorry about that.

Here it is.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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The 2004 Madrid bombings happened three days before Spain's general elections. It was purported related to
Spains involvement in middle east military actions.

The idea was to make a point that Spain should get out.

France has dealt with security issues since the 70s and
Carlos the Jackal. There were so many bombings that
driving in embassy residence areas was a risk.
Most of it was arab vs Israeli conflict.
Now the Israelis are not the target, it is the French population.

So, here we go again.

[turtlespeed 226]

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The 2004 Madrid bombings happened three days before Spain's general elections. It was purported related to
Spains involvement in middle east military actions.

The idea was to make a point that Spain should get out.

France has dealt with security issues since the 70s and
Carlos the Jackal. There were so many bombings that
driving in embassy residence areas was a risk.
Most of it was arab vs Israeli conflict.
Now the Israelis are not the target, it is the French population.

So, here we go again.

That is kind of my point. WHY are they saying that it is the UK that is having more of a problem than they are themselves?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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That is kind of my point. WHY are they saying that it is the UK that is having more of a problem than they are themselves?

Well, the French seem to have arrested a bunch of dudes with a bunch of guns. Maybe they believe they have stopped the current plot that was going to have taken place in France.

The stories I am hearing seem to make the conclusion that there are multiple plots out there.

Maybe France has some reasons to believe there is a group in Britain with an attack ready to take place soon.

I'd be willing to bet fairly heavily that France, Britain, the US and a lot of other countries are sharing this information among themselves. It just varies among countries how much they are willing to go public with.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[popsjumper 2]

Reminds me of the Gahan Wilson cartoon where, looking through the scope, you see one deer pointing at the other one.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Well, there was a Brit killed in Pakistan.

And they arrested a bunch of dudes with a bunch of guns in Avingon, Bordeaux and Marsailles too.

There seems to be a number of plots for "Mumbay-style" raids, where a bunch of guys with guns storm hotels, airports, tourist sites and such to kill as many civilians as they can.

Makes having the public disarmed and as vulnerable as a flock of sheep seem a little foolish doesn't it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1318168/Terrorist-attack-Britain-likely-according-French-Foreign-Ministry-warning.html

True, a panicing untrained armed civillian mob is such a better idea

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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True, a panicing untrained armed civillian mob is such a better idea

Well, if the bad guys suspected that there were a number of armed civilians in the crowd, would they be as willing to attack?

Or would they pick a place (such as an airport, hospital or college campus) where they would be reasonably sure the crowd would be unarmed?

And while armed citizens may or may not panic, and may or may not be well trained, it would certainly offer a better defense than "lock the door and hope they don't shoot through it."

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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Well, if the bad guys suspected that there were a number of armed civilians in the crowd, would they be as willing to attack?

Suicide attackers aren't generally concerned with the possibility of death.

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Or would they pick a place (such as an airport, hospital or college campus) where they would be reasonably sure the crowd would be unarmed?

On the other hand, I agree that they are more likely to pick a place where there are large groups of people so as to inflict as much damage as possible. Whether or not they'd factor in the liklihood of an armed populace is unclear.

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And while armed citizens may or may not panic, and may or may not be well trained, it would certainly offer a better defense than "lock the door and hope they don't shoot through it."

As long as those civilians are okay with the fact that when the cops show up, they won't be able to tell the difference between attacker and armed civilian. The armed civilians may very well be killed anyway, but by someone other than the attacker. Welcome to guerilla warfare.

- Dan G

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they are the ones warning of an attack . if "they" are anything like us...

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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Well, if the bad guys suspected that there were a number of armed civilians in the crowd, would they be as willing to attack?

Suicide attackers aren't generally concerned with the possibility of death.

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Or would they pick a place (such as an airport, hospital or college campus) where they would be reasonably sure the crowd would be unarmed?

On the other hand, I agree that they are more likely to pick a place where there are large groups of people so as to inflict as much damage as possible. Whether or not they'd factor in the liklihood of an armed populace is unclear.

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And while armed citizens may or may not panic, and may or may not be well trained, it would certainly offer a better defense than "lock the door and hope they don't shoot through it."

As long as those civilians are okay with the fact that when the cops show up, they won't be able to tell the difference between attacker and armed civilian. The armed civilians may very well be killed anyway, but by someone other than the attacker. Welcome to guerilla warfare.

No, the suicide attackers aren't concerned with death, but they want their attack to succeed. Note that the Mumbay attackers didn't go after police stations or military bases, where there would be armed opposition.

And any combat situation has a high likelyhood of "friendly fire." One where the attackers and the victims and initial defenders are not in a distinguishable uniform even more so. Add in the fact that the armed citizens aren't part of an organized group, and probably don't know each other at all and it's even worse.

Whether it's armed citizens shooting each other (thinking the other guy is one of the attackers) or cops/military shooting the armed citizens, it's quite likely that innocents will fall to friendly fire.

I'm not saying that it would be anything "nice." It would be a very messy situation, with lots of casualties. I'm not naive enough to believe that having armed citizens would be a magical cure to an attack like Mumbay.

But I'd still rather see a group of "victims" that is able to defend themselves than a bunch of sheep waiting to be slaughtered.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Andy9o8 2]

France is safe, now that they've banned Mooslim face veils. Voila!

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the religion of peacers do like their anonymity !