skipbelt 0 #51 October 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe right wing has long used fear as a potent political weapon. We even see it here on SC: "Mexican gangs will kill you!" "Americans shot by Mexicans in Texas lake." "Death boards will kill your grandma!" "Obama is an evil Muslim terrorist who was born in Kenya!" The problem with fear is that after you keep people scared for years, eventually they start to take it for granted - so you have to keep "upping the ante" so to speak. Thus we have the ever-more absurd claims, the over-the-top vitriol, the Obama-as-Hitler posters. It takes a lot to keep people fearful. Odd how you don't mention little tidbits like these, Bill... "For the CHILDREN!!!" "Blood in the streets!" "People will die without Obamacare" Going to take away your SS Old ladies will be kicked out on to the streets These were all repbulican fear statements Right? You have not been following the news have you. It seems many of the Tea Bagger candidates like Angle and O'Donnel and the nutjobs from AK.. all have those talking points . Let not forget my favorite one they all support.... forcing women who are raped by a stranger or their oh so loving fathers or uncles.. to have those children. Sorry but Only a Caveman should be able to love a position like that. how do you know she doesn't want to keep the baby? i think she should be forced to have an abortion. and continue to have abortion forced on her anyother time she gets pregnant. how's my inner caveman doing now? as i write this i am listening to the morning after --duran duran- oddly appropriate ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #52 October 6, 2010 QuoteThe only govt. programs that make a significant difference to the deficit are Medicare, Social Security and Defense. I'd like to see a real analysis of the TP's small government position, with details of exactly how they are going to cut these. I've actually forgotten how many times I've posted this link by now. Defense isn't a "program" it's a category of spending. Even Medicare and Social Security aren't monolithic. I'm not trying to be pedantic in bringing this up, I'm just saying that suggesting we "cut defense" isn't a whole lot more specific than just suggesting we "cut spending" or "cut welfare" (which, when right-wing folks say it, can generally be taken to mean the "Income Security" category of spending.) The Tea-Party is guilty of this same over generalization when they say they want a "strong military" by which they usually mean they don't want to cut anything out of the defense budget. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #53 October 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteLet not forget my favorite one they all support.... forcing women who are raped by a stranger or their oh so loving fathers or uncles.. to have those children. Sorry but Only a Caveman should be able to love a position like that. how do you know she doesn't want to keep the baby? i think she should be forced to have an abortion. and continue to have abortion forced on her anyother time she gets pregnant. how's my inner caveman doing now? ?? I can see prohibiting someone from having an abortion being construed as forcing them to have a child in such a case but I can't see how giving her the option constitutes forcing her to have an abortion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #54 October 6, 2010 Yeah, they sound like they're saying they stand for Hope, Change you can believe in, and saying Yes we can! Too bad those are slogans from two years ago. They don't have anything as catchy, but they're right up there in the vague and generalized category.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 October 6, 2010 QuoteYeah, they sound like they're saying they stand for Hope, Change you can believe in, and saying Yes we can! Too bad those are slogans from two years ago. They don't have anything as catchy, but they're right up there in the vague and generalized category. Now the slogans are closer to : Change we'll shove down your throats! Hope, actually alot like playing craps with our economy! and Yes, we, umm, well, we should have, but we had to go on vacation.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,151 #56 October 6, 2010 >Change we'll shove down your throats! >Hope, actually alot like playing craps with our economy! Agreed. But given a choice between those and the devil they know (i.e. the democrats) they're likely to stick with the devil they know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #57 October 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The right wing has long used fear as a potent political weapon. We even see it here on SC: "Mexican gangs will kill you!" "Americans shot by Mexicans in Texas lake." "Death boards will kill your grandma!" "Obama is an evil Muslim terrorist who was born in Kenya!" The problem with fear is that after you keep people scared for years, eventually they start to take it for granted - so you have to keep "upping the ante" so to speak. Thus we have the ever-more absurd claims, the over-the-top vitriol, the Obama-as-Hitler posters. It takes a lot to keep people fearful. Odd how you don't mention little tidbits like these, Bill... "For the CHILDREN!!!" "Blood in the streets!" "People will die without Obamacare" Going to take away your SS Old ladies will be kicked out on to the streets These were all repbulican fear statements Right? You have not been following the news have you. It seems many of the Tea Bagger candidates like Angle and O'Donnel and the nutjobs from AK.. all have those talking points . Let not forget my favorite one they all support.... forcing women who are raped by a stranger or their oh so loving fathers or uncles.. to have those children. Sorry but Only a Caveman should be able to love a position like that. how do you know she doesn't want to keep the baby? i think she should be forced to have an abortion. and continue to have abortion forced on her anyother time she gets pregnant. how's my inner caveman doing now? as i write this i am listening to the morning after --duran duran- oddly appropriate ! How about just keeping your religion out of any womans uterus and let her make the decision for herself. It would be nice if they would prosecute the rapists as well.. but that is probably asking a bit too much from the American justice system that vicimizes women twice when trying to get justice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #58 October 6, 2010 thank you for backing off the caveman accusation ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #59 October 6, 2010 Quotethank you for backing off the caveman accusation ! Hey it seems that quite a few males seem to figure if they can get it in there no matter how..... the woman should have THEIR child. That is very pre-historic of them wouldnt you say??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #60 October 6, 2010 Quotethank you for backing off the caveman accusation ! Yeah - cuz - we all know that cavemen don't listen to Duran Duran.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,151 #61 October 6, 2010 >That is very pre-historic of them wouldnt you say? Well, it's certainly as prehistoric as a woman who says "you can't tell me what to do with MY child." Parthenogenesis and certain types of IVF aside, most children have two genetic parents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #62 October 6, 2010 Quote>That is very pre-historic of them wouldnt you say? Well, it's certainly as prehistoric as a woman who says "you can't tell me what to do with MY child." Parthenogenesis and certain types of IVF aside, most children have two genetic parents. So, my question to this would be, what gives her the right, if indeed the decision was made to conceive a child, for her to terminate without his consent?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,151 #63 October 6, 2010 >what gives her the right, if indeed the decision was made to conceive >a child, for her to terminate without his consent? The right to determine what happens with her own body, I imagine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #64 October 6, 2010 Quote>what gives her the right, if indeed the decision was made to conceive >a child, for her to terminate without his consent? The right to determine what happens with her own body, I imagine. But that life inside her, is partly his too, is it not?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #65 October 6, 2010 QuoteQuote>That is very pre-historic of them wouldnt you say? Well, it's certainly as prehistoric as a woman who says "you can't tell me what to do with MY child." Parthenogenesis and certain types of IVF aside, most children have two genetic parents. So, my question to this would be, what gives her the right, if indeed the decision was made to conceive a child, for her to terminate without his consent? I once had a skydiver client caught in that scenario. He came to me with suicidal ideation. She broke up with him and chose to abort their child. His claim was that the child was conceived in love and he was willing to take full parental responsibility. Her position was that he was an a**hole and did not deserve to to be a parent. Especially, not with her child. He lost.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,151 #66 October 6, 2010 >But that life inside her, is partly his too, is it not? He has some responsibility for it, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,192 #67 October 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe right wing has long used fear as a potent political weapon. We even see it here on SC: "Mexican gangs will kill you!" "Americans shot by Mexicans in Texas lake." "Death boards will kill your grandma!" "Obama is an evil Muslim terrorist who was born in Kenya!" The problem with fear is that after you keep people scared for years, eventually they start to take it for granted - so you have to keep "upping the ante" so to speak. Thus we have the ever-more absurd claims, the over-the-top vitriol, the Obama-as-Hitler posters. It takes a lot to keep people fearful. Odd how you don't mention little tidbits like these, Bill... "For the CHILDREN!!!" "Blood in the streets!" "People will die without Obamacare" Maybe there's a good reason for that. It seems you are the first to make the claim:... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #68 October 6, 2010 what do you imagine about her own body having male body parts, like a baby boy ? while i writing this i am listening to peter gunn --emerson , lake , and palmer- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,151 #69 October 6, 2010 >what do you imagine about her own body having male body parts, like a >baby boy ? ?? We all start with the same body parts; things just change size and move around. What does that have to do with anything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #70 October 7, 2010 QuoteWhat does that have to do with anything? I see you're beginning to understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #71 October 7, 2010 you moved your body parts around ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,151 #72 October 7, 2010 >you moved your body parts around ? Yep! So did you. (unless your testicles are still in your belly, that is.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #73 October 7, 2010 and you weren't male then ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,192 #74 October 7, 2010 Quoteand you weren't male then ? You are out of your depth in this forum.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #75 October 7, 2010 Quote Quote and you weren't male then ? You are out of your depth in this forum. considering the pretty poor depth in all the threads, I'd consider that a very very mean and cruel personal attack. How many weeks will you volunteer to ban yourself? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
