A New Low for Eco-Propaganda

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Mike - you are missingthe big picture here!

people will BLOW UP if we don't comply!

Red button!

The whole thing is a conspiracy!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Mike - you are missingthe big picture here!

people will BLOW UP if we don't comply!

Red button!

The whole thing is a conspiracy!

So what do you think history will do with the people who make our planet a more difficult place for human beings to live on??

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RIIIIIIIGHT.... the economy of Texas has nothing to do with energy.... move along.. nothing to see here.. these are not the oil wealth that has any effect.

Never said that - that's your strawman.

None of my family is in the energy field, and, in case you've forgotten:

City: Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo

I'm not in Texas.

Have fun with your imploding stereotypes, Jeanne.

Sorry.. but I just have a very low tolerance for smoke being blown up my ass...... others milage CERTAINLY varies.

Maybe it will stop now that your strawman is out of the picture.

Yeah... I am sure that growing up where you did.. and where your friends and family are.. has absolutely no bearing

In the real world (as opposed to Jeanne-world), not all Texans are in the 'ahl bidness'.

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Is it endemic down there with Texicans... do yall REALLY think you can fool all of the people all of the time?

I attempt to fool nobody - you seem to be doing quite well at deluding yourself, though.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DUUUUDE.. what is good for the ahl bidness.. seems to go pretty much hand in hand with how the economy of Texas goes.


Its all about them petro dollars and how many hands they all go thru. overr and over and over. When you do come back here to the US... perhaps a little time in an ECON 101 might help out.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DUUUUDE.. what is good for the ahl bidness.. seems to go pretty much hand in hand with how the economy of Texas goes.

I never said it didn't, only that neither I nor my family are in the business, or in the energy business at all - something you STILL can't seem to grasp. Perhaps all that self-inflicted smoke.

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Its all about them petro dollars and how many hands they all go thru. overr and over and over. When you do come back here to the US... perhaps a little time in an ECON 101 might help out.

And maybe a little LESS time in "CONSPIRACY 101" might help YOU out.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DUUUUDE.. what is good for the ahl bidness.. seems to go pretty much hand in hand with how the economy of Texas goes.

I never said it didn't, only that neither I nor my family are in the business, or in the energy business at all - something you STILL can't seem to grasp. Perhaps all that self-inflicted smoke.

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Its all about them petro dollars and how many hands they all go thru. overr and over and over. When you do come back here to the US... perhaps a little time in an ECON 101 might help out.

And maybe a little LESS time in "CONSPIRACY 101" might help YOU out.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

Growing up where you did... has no bearing on how you see the global warming issue... nope... no bearing at all.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DUUUUDE.. what is good for the ahl bidness.. seems to go pretty much hand in hand with how the economy of Texas goes.

I never said it didn't, only that neither I nor my family are in the business, or in the energy business at all - something you STILL can't seem to grasp. Perhaps all that self-inflicted smoke.

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Its all about them petro dollars and how many hands they all go thru. overr and over and over. When you do come back here to the US... perhaps a little time in an ECON 101 might help out.

And maybe a little LESS time in "CONSPIRACY 101" might help YOU out.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

Growing up where you did... has no bearing on how you see the global warming issue... nope... no bearing at all.

No, it doesn't - for ONCE you got it right.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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>Growing up where you did... has no bearing on how you see the global
>warming issue... nope... no bearing at all.

>No, it doesn't

So you think that people in Hawaii have as much of an issue with melting permafrost as the people in northern Canada do? Hmm. That might explain some of the confusion on the subject.

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>Growing up where you did... has no bearing on how you see the global
>warming issue... nope... no bearing at all.

>No, it doesn't

So you think that people in Hawaii have as much of an issue with melting permafrost as the people in northern Canada do? Hmm. That might explain some of the confusion on the subject.

Nice strawman, Bill - does it come with the floppy hat, too?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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>Nice strawman, Bill

Then perhaps I misunderstood. Do you think that where someone grows up can have some bearing on how they see the global warming issue?

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Don't argue with BillyV. He's really, really good at putting words in one's mouth. The sad part is that some think it's a valid technique for discussion/debate.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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>Nice strawman, Bill

Then perhaps I misunderstood. Do you think that where someone grows up can have some bearing on how they see the global warming issue?

If it's a GLOBAL issue, why should it, Bill? Aren't you and kallend the ones that keep saying that weather doesn't equal climate? (Unless, of course, it's a WARM event - then it's proof of global warming)

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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>If it's a GLOBAL issue, why should it, Bill?

I'll take that as a "no" to a question you previously claimed was a strawman.

And as I said before, that may explain some of the denier confusion. Normal people generally DO care about things that directly affect them, and someone who loses their livelihood to climate change will indeed feel more strongly about it than someone who does not.

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So?

There once were none of them, then they formed during the ice age and now the cycle comes around.

Er, when do you assume the last time there were none of them?

Your lack of concern and the department of conservations major concern are correlated.

You know nothing and assume and they have comprehensive data from the past 120 years and their announced forecasts are conservative to keep the likes of you happy. they have a series of forecasts for different scenarios. the current data is actuall worse than the worst case scanario. these studies have been conducted for decades, well before any of this political crap has obscured the reason for them.

In reality the glaciers are melting faster than their conservative, and worst case estimations.

They may be incorrect but they certainly have more of a clue than you do.

They spend lots of time, energy and money studying it, you jump to your own (biased) conclusions.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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So?

There once were none of them, then they formed during the ice age and now the cycle comes around.

Er, when do you assume the last time there were none of them?

Your lack of concern and the department of conservations major concern are correlated.

You know nothing and assume and they have comprehensive data from the past 120 years and their announced forecasts are conservative to keep the likes of you happy. they have a series of forecasts for different scenarios. the current data is actuall worse than the worst case scanario. these studies have been conducted for decades, well before any of this political crap has obscured the reason for them.

In reality the glaciers are melting faster than their conservative, and worst case estimations.

They may be incorrect but they certainly have more of a clue than you do.

They spend lots of time, energy and money studying it, you jump to your own (biased) conclusions.

I ain't never seed no glaciers... let lone meltin ones... sooooo there ain't no global warmin goin on.

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>If it's a GLOBAL issue, why should it, Bill?

I'll take that as a "no" to a question you previously claimed was a strawman.

And as I said before, that may explain some of the denier confusion. Normal people generally DO care about things that directly affect them, and someone who loses their livelihood to climate change will indeed feel more strongly about it than someone who does not.

It certainly seem to explain the warmist obsession - someone whose livelihood depends on evidence of global warming will indeed feel more strongly about it than someone who does not.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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In reality the glaciers are melting faster than their conservative, and worst case estimations.

Really? So, the Greenland glacier is losing MORE than 5-8 THOUSANDTHS of a percent per year? It'll be gone in LESS than 12-19 thousand years?

Do tell.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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very funny advert!!

reminded me of battle royal 2.. classic

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Really? So, the Greenland glacier is losing MORE than 5-8 THOUSANDTHS of a percent per year? It'll be gone in LESS than 12-19 thousand years?

Do tell.

I was talking about the glaciers in my district.

I have information on those.

if you read more carefully you will see that is what I was talking about but you were getting excited about writng anoter post wreren;t you mike.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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when i started flying, i don't want to say when, visibility was reported with 80 miles as a maximum. and it wasn;\'t uncommon to see that much visibility outside of heavy industrial areas , mostly because of pollution it was reduced to a maximum of 10, the about 10 to 15 years ago it was reduced to a maximum of 6 statute miles and was reported as p6sm in metars and tafs. this was as a result of icao merging with JAA and their associated visibilities in europe. back in the US visibilities have risen back to 80 miles on a regular basis in alot of areas, there is a good correlation between this and the lowering of noxious emissions for 40+ years. so in general i don't get very excited about claims of air pollution. plants need co2 and they breathe it , don't they ?

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It's a bit scary that some of you on the forums really think that its the communists who are to blame...

Maybe you should stop buying all there products...

Its a global problem, although the 3rd world countries are still developing nations so have there own problems right now... like feeding themselves.

Do little things to try and cut your carbon footprint down, drive less, iinsulate your house, use solor power... it be nice to have a day in texas without the massive smog cloud!!

Why some of you are so anti making the smallest of effots is beyond me, regardless of the propaganda comming from both sides of the fence, i think we know that poloution is bad, so cutting back on it is good??

its really pretty simple, but clearly not simple enough for some

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i bristle at the term carbon footprint, now i can get onboard with reducing our pollution footprint. !

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I was talking about the glaciers in my district.


I have information on those.

By all means, please let the glacier guides know that:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3945761a7693.html

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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when i started flying, i don't want to say when, visibility was reported with 80 miles as a maximum. and it wasn;\'t uncommon to see that much visibility outside of heavy industrial areas , mostly because of pollution it was reduced to a maximum of 10, the about 10 to 15 years ago it was reduced to a maximum of 6 statute miles and was reported as p6sm in metars and tafs. this was as a result of icao merging with JAA and their associated visibilities in europe. back in the US visibilities have risen back to 80 miles on a regular basis in alot of areas, there is a good correlation between this and the lowering of noxious emissions for 40+ years. so in general i don't get very excited about claims of air pollution. plants need co2 and they breathe it , don't they ?

So basically if YOU can't see it.. its not happening... yup.. the powers of visual observation are the solution to all the pollution.

Future generations are not going to be kind to those of us alive today

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I reject the premise of your question outright. That is not what is being talked about again

Which premise? You said that the government is driving up the cost of doing business, and causing jobs to go overseas. So I surmised it was taxes, but you said it wasn't taxes, it was regulation. So I asked which regulations (I provided some examples, but they were just examples), and now you're saying you reject the premise entirely.

But the premise of my question is asking how, specifically, the government is driving up the cost of doing business. Yes, I might counter a reason that you give, but that's what debate is about. You don't just accept whatever I say, and I don't just accept whatever you say.

Wendy P.

The others things you list do have an effect however, this is an environmental thread. That is what I have been talking about. Expanding the discussion does no good

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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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