A New Low for Eco-Propaganda

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fags.

Ah.

LMAO

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Fucks sake, you call that humor? Benny Hill is one thing, but this is not humor. This is more whackjobs saying they think people's lives mean less than their views/beliefs.

Easy guys, I didn't like it either. I thought the OP's rant was a bit over the top and thought I'd take a poke at it. The video was made by the creator of Blackadder and some other British comedies. They screwed up and overshot their mark on this one and have since issued an apology.
http://www.1010global.org/uk/2010/10/sorry

Now, back to that free speech thread

I think it all needs to be put in context. Some countries have a LOT to lose if Global warming is indeed happening. I think many of the Brits are coming to realize that as things warm up... they are going to be screwed.

Britain is one of those that will suffer greatly as sea levels rise and the power of North Atlantic storms increase.

Other countries like Canada and Russia stand to gain a hell of a lot by a warming climate.

Hey look - We agree.

Thing is, even if (And I say if lightly), then it is not all bad for everyone. My issue is a valid one. The data is conflicting whether or not this is just a part of a larger trend that was already happening.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Fucks sake, you call that humor? Benny Hill is one thing, but this is not humor. This is more whackjobs saying they think people's lives mean less than their views/beliefs.

Easy guys, I didn't like it either. I thought the OP's rant was a bit over the top and thought I'd take a poke at it. The video was made by the creator of Blackadder and some other British comedies. They screwed up and overshot their mark on this one and have since issued an apology.
http://www.1010global.org/uk/2010/10/sorry

Now, back to that free speech thread

I think it all needs to be put in context. Some countries have a LOT to lose if Global warming is indeed happening. I think many of the Brits are coming to realize that as things warm up... they are going to be screwed.

Britain is one of those that will suffer greatly as sea levels rise and the power of North Atlantic storms increase.

Other countries like Canada and Russia stand to gain a hell of a lot by a warming climate.

Hey look - We agree.

Thing is, even if (And I say if lightly), then it is not all bad for everyone. My issue is a valid one. The data is conflicting whether or not this is just a part of a larger trend that was already happening.

Personally I have an issue with polluting the shit out of the place I have to live. I would like my kid and his kids and theirs to be able to live in a world that is livable. Turning our planet into a huge experiment on how you can change our atmosphere and our oceans is not what I call a sound mental activity.

Anyone who thinks that dumping all the crap we do into our air and water has no effect is an imbecile and needs to be treated as such and protected from doing further harm to all of us.

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Fucks sake, you call that humor? Benny Hill is one thing, but this is not humor. This is more whackjobs saying they think people's lives mean less than their views/beliefs.

Easy guys, I didn't like it either. I thought the OP's rant was a bit over the top and thought I'd take a poke at it. The video was made by the creator of Blackadder and some other British comedies. They screwed up and overshot their mark on this one and have since issued an apology.
http://www.1010global.org/uk/2010/10/sorry

Now, back to that free speech thread

I think it all needs to be put in context. Some countries have a LOT to lose if Global warming is indeed happening. I think many of the Brits are coming to realize that as things warm up... they are going to be screwed.

Britain is one of those that will suffer greatly as sea levels rise and the power of North Atlantic storms increase.

Other countries like Canada and Russia stand to gain a hell of a lot by a warming climate.

Hey look - We agree.

Thing is, even if (And I say if lightly), then it is not all bad for everyone. My issue is a valid one. The data is conflicting whether or not this is just a part of a larger trend that was already happening.

Personally I have an issue with polluting the shit out of the place I have to live. I would like my kid and his kids and theirs to be able to live in a world that is livable. Turning our planet into a huge experiment on how you can change our atmosphere and our oceans is not what I call a sound mental activity.

Anyone who thinks that dumping all the crap we do into our air and water has no effect is an imbecile and needs to be treated as such and protected from doing further harm to all of us.

It's not "Anyone" that is doing it.
You drive a car - right?
You still skydive?
You fly on commercial planes?

Although it may seem like the US is biggest contributor, by far China is. Get them to do something about it as well. Make them have the same environmental restrictions that the US has. Can you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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So as long as I drive a car and skydive, I might as well make it a Hummer and burn rubber? Bullshit.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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So as long as I drive a car and skydive, I might as well make it a Hummer and burn rubber? Bullshit.

Wendy P.

Where in my post did you see me type that?

OOOOh look! A conclusion - Lets jump to it!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,588]

Well, when you brought up that Amazon drives a car etc. it's a little hard not to infer that she shouldn't be griping about people polluting as long as she's doing it.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Well, when you brought up that Amazon drives a car etc. it's a little hard not to infer that she shouldn't be griping about people polluting as long as she's doing it.

Wendy P.

Is she not?

I never inferred that she is grossly polluting - but I have also seen her truck - so - A Hummer is about right.

You are guilty as well as the rest of us of being part of the problem.

After all - if you don't want to get blown up, you should cut 10% of your carbon output by the end of 2010. . . . Have you done that yet?

Tick Tick Tick Tick

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,588]

Barring committing suicide in a natural cemetery, no one can completely eliminate their carbon footprint. That's probably not the best option. We're all part of the problem -- it's whether we also want to be part of a mitigation that's in question.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Barring committing suicide in a natural cemetery, no one can completely eliminate their carbon footprint. That's probably not the best option. We're all part of the problem -- it's whether we also want to be part of a mitigation that's in question.

Wendy P.

Sure you can.

You just have to kill a bunch of animals for their furr and eat raw meat, or eat just veggies. It's possible - unless you count exhaling a carbon footprint.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

Nope not skydiving.. I am grounded till I get my shoulder rebuilt.

I have my truck parked most of the time other than trips to Lowes or Home Depot or to take stuff to the dump. Its a diesel... it gets about 20 MPG.
I work from home 3 days a week and only go into the office 25 miles away if I need to be there for an in person meeting.Otherwise I go to the data center as needed.

When I do drive I take my VW Bugly or my VW Jetta. Both of them are TDI diesel and get 50 MPG+

Its been 6 months and 1 year 6 months since I flew anywhere.

My electric bill is about $60 a month.. hell my F#@#%% water bill is more per month thanks to poor planning on the part of the water district and their fiscal irresponsibility. Usage is actually about $10 month.

I have parked my motorboat in the driveway... and if I feel the need to go down to the Sound in a small boat I have my trailerable sailboat... that uses a verry renewable resource
( the motor to manuever it is a 2 HP 4 stroke that burns about 1 gallon every 2 hours)

How about you????

AS far as China.... do you think MacArthur was right?

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Well, when you brought up that Amazon drives a car etc. it's a little hard not to infer that she shouldn't be griping about people polluting as long as she's doing it.

Wendy P.

Ever asked her about her boat???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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AS far as China.... do you think MacArthur was right?

In so far as what?

On the other - That is great, sounds like you have done your 10% - my question was did Wendy?

Did she reduce 10% thi syear or does she get blown up?

Skydiving, I don't - been a year and a half since planes - I drive when I have to for work. Other than that I work from home.

ETA: I don't have a boat.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Well, when you brought up that Amazon drives a car etc. it's a little hard not to infer that she shouldn't be griping about people polluting as long as she's doing it.

Wendy P.

Ever asked her about her boat???

Marc..... would you know sarcasm if it slapped you up side yo head?




How are you going to feel about your grandkids living in the Great American Desert??

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Fucks sake, you call that humor? Benny Hill is one thing, but this is not humor. This is more whackjobs saying they think people's lives mean less than their views/beliefs.

Easy guys, I didn't like it either. I thought the OP's rant was a bit over the top and thought I'd take a poke at it. The video was made by the creator of Blackadder and some other British comedies. They screwed up and overshot their mark on this one and have since issued an apology.
http://www.1010global.org/uk/2010/10/sorry

Now, back to that free speech thread

I think it all needs to be put in context. Some countries have a LOT to lose if Global warming is indeed happening. I think many of the Brits are coming to realize that as things warm up... they are going to be screwed.

Britain is one of those that will suffer greatly as sea levels rise and the power of North Atlantic storms increase.

Other countries like Canada and Russia stand to gain a hell of a lot by a warming climate.

Hey look - We agree.

Thing is, even if (And I say if lightly), then it is not all bad for everyone. My issue is a valid one. The data is conflicting whether or not this is just a part of a larger trend that was already happening.

Personally I have an issue with polluting the shit out of the place I have to live. I would like my kid and his kids and theirs to be able to live in a world that is livable. Turning our planet into a huge experiment on how you can change our atmosphere and our oceans is not what I call a sound mental activity.

Anyone who thinks that dumping all the crap we do into our air and water has no effect is an imbecile and needs to be treated as such and protected from doing further harm to all of us.

I am far more impressed by the imbeciles that think we have the power to do the kind of harm on a global scale that the green wackos preach.

An no, I do not think hap hazard global pollution is a good thing either

But the AGW nuts are all following the flute of people only out for themselves.
Money and power is all this is about


(I thought posting this as close to your style as I could would have more meaning to you somehow)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Well, when you brought up that Amazon drives a car etc. it's a little hard not to infer that she shouldn't be griping about people polluting as long as she's doing it.

Wendy P.

Ever asked her about her boat???

Marc..... would you know sarcasm if it slapped you up side yo head?




How are you going to feel about your grandkids living in the Great American Desert??

It seems it would take more force for you than I



aint happening........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,588]

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I am far more impressed by the imbeciles that think we have the power to do the kind of harm on a global scale that the green wackos preach.

Obviously the earth is going to continue; we're just discussing whether we will continue to be comfortable relatively inexpensively (which is true for the vast majority of Americans).

Fuel consumption is an issue; the cost will continue to rise as it becomes more scarce. I believe that's called capitalism. Waste production is an issue; landfill acreage is increasing, the S. Pacific garbage island is growing, and the toxicity of some waste is increasing. Global warming? Well, there's a lot of good science that indicates that we can, in fact, contribute to it.

By trying to mitigate the other two problems, we'll probably improve the third. But just as spending all your money before the next paycheck isn't smart, continuing to waste willy-nilly until we have to deal with the fuel and waste issues probably isn't idea.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[wmw999 2,588]

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my question was did Wendy?

Did I ask you what you had done?

Didn't think so.

That said, my light bill, in the summer, for a 2600 sq. ft. house is less than $130/mo. That's not real bad for Houston.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I am far more impressed by the imbeciles that think we have the power to do the kind of harm on a global scale that the green wackos preach.

Obviously the earth is going to continue; we're just discussing whether we will continue to be comfortable relatively inexpensively (which is true for the vast majority of Americans).

Fuel consumption is an issue; the cost will continue to rise as it becomes more scarce. I believe that's called capitalism. Waste production is an issue; landfill acreage is increasing, the S. Pacific garbage island is growing, and the toxicity of some waste is increasing. Global warming? Well, there's a lot of good science that indicates that we can, in fact, contribute to it.

By trying to mitigate the other two problems, we'll probably improve the third. But just as spending all your money before the next paycheck isn't smart, continuing to waste willy-nilly until we have to deal with the fuel and waste issues probably isn't idea.

Wendy P.

Wendy
I am talking the same thing

But this is not about anything you post here
The cost of fuel is artificialy high because of Gov regualtion and limitation. This is the reason for this


The gargage is another issue all together and it needs to be dealt with but that in not what the AWG propents are after

As for the good science. Sorry, dont buy it. Too many variables and too many polititions involved

For those pushing it, it is about money, for many of the supporters, it is them pushing others to live as they think they should. So much for freedoms and choice huh.
I agree we should not waste but, some of the "answers" ,are worse than the issue.


There is a reason the AWG issue has lost some seam. I think it is because it aint happening.

And many good scientists/researchers agree

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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There is a reason the AWG issue has lost some seam. I think it is because it aint happening.

And many good scientists/researchers agree

And when you and the others who don't think we are having any effect find out you are wrong.... dead wrong... and our climate has changed irreparably.. then what???

"We should have seen"..... is not going to be a very good idea for our species.

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my question was did Wendy?

Did I ask you what you had done?

Didn't think so.

That said, my light bill, in the summer, for a 2600 sq. ft. house is less than $130/mo. That's not real bad for Houston.

Wendy P.

LMAO

No you didn't. I did ask you though.
I don't want you to be blown up!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I am far more impressed by the imbeciles that think we have the power to do the kind of harm on a global scale that the green wackos preach.

An no, I do not think hap hazard global pollution is a good thing either

But the AGW nuts are all following the flute of people only out for themselves.
Money and power is all this is about

While I agree with you that some are trying to benifit financially out of this, I attended a seminar about the glaciers in our regon and hopw it is expected to be over the next 50 years. The conservative projections are that the glaciers in this regon will be out of the valleys and restricted tyo the neves within 50 years...

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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I am far more impressed by the imbeciles that think we have the power to do the kind of harm on a global scale that the green wackos preach.

An no, I do not think hap hazard global pollution is a good thing either

But the AGW nuts are all following the flute of people only out for themselves.
Money and power is all this is about

While I agree with you that some are trying to benifit financially out of this, I attended a seminar about the glaciers in our regon and hopw it is expected to be over the next 50 years. The conservative projections are that the glaciers in this regon will be out of the valleys and restricted tyo the neves within 50 years...

So?

There once were none of them, then they formed during the ice age and now the cycle comes around.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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As for the good science. Sorry, dont buy it. Too many variables and too many polititions involved

There are a lot of variables. Of course, there are in cancer research too. Should we quit working on that?

Politicians? Shit, there are politicians involved in everything. And as far as taxes on fuel, are you really saying that it's only the taxes that are making the price high, that the cost should be reduced so that we can burn it faster??? Because you know that's what would happen.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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As for the good science. Sorry, dont buy it. Too many variables and too many polititions involved

There are a lot of variables. Of course, there are in cancer research too. Should we quit working on that?

Politicians? Shit, there are politicians involved in everything. And as far as taxes on fuel, are you really saying that it's only the taxes that are making the price high, that the cost should be reduced so that we can burn it faster??? Because you know that's what would happen.

Wendy P.

I am not saying anything about taxes

I saying the gov says where,when and how much we can drill for and that is leaving many areas out of bounds.


But the greenies and the like do not want other sources tapped. Price would go down and we cant have that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln