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For those who think the US should never apologize.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/01/AR2010100107299.html

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I highly doubt this was the only thing that the USA needs to apologize for. I don't condone this type of study at all or on animals for that matter. Now with that said, I have to add we would not have the medications and treatments we do now if unofficial studies like this were not done.

This was a time when many medical breakthroughs were surfacing around the world. I bet if you research unethical medical studies of around the world you would find they performed more shocking studies than this one.

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I highly doubt this was the only thing that the USA needs to apologize for. I don't condone this type of study at all or on animals for that matter. Now with that said, I have to add we would not have the medications and treatments we do now if unofficial studies like this were not done.

This was a time when many medical breakthroughs were surfacing around the world. I bet if you research unethical medical studies of around the world you would find they performed more shocking studies than this one.

Amen to that!

I wonder oif the Japanese will ever own up to the laundry list of things far worse thta they did across the lands they conquered.
Lets also not forget the men like "Dr" Mengele.

The 20th century saw many medical advances.... but the back story of how they were done... is a travesty

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I wonder oif the Japanese will ever own up to the laundry list of things far worse thta they did across the lands they conquered.
Lets also not forget the men like "Dr" Mengele.

I imagine you're probably right.

So anyhow, should the US apologize for this?

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I wonder oif the Japanese will ever own up to the laundry list of things far worse thta they did across the lands they conquered.
Lets also not forget the men like "Dr" Mengele.

I imagine you're probably right.

So anyhow, should the US apologize for this?

Already did!!

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Although these events occurred more than 64 years ago, we are outraged that such reprehensible research could have occurred under the guise of public health," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said in a joint statement apologizing for the experiments. "We deeply regret that it happened, and we apologize to all the individuals who were affected by such abhorrent research practices."


President Obama had been briefed about the revelations and called Guatemalan President Alvaro Colom to "personally express that apology," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said."Obviously, this is shocking. It's tragic. It's reprehensible," Gibbs said.

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Amen to that!

I wonder oif the Japanese will ever own up to the laundry list of things far worse thta they did across the lands they conquered.

The pertinent question is not "will they" but "should they". And the answer to that is yes.

Come on, I'd like to think that the governance of nations is conducted at a slightly higher level of maturity than a kindergarten sandpit - doing the right thing should not be conditional on someone else doing it first.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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For those who think the US should never apologize.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/01/AR2010100107299.html

Perhaps we should apologize for littering in the Boston Harbor as well?

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I highly doubt this was the only thing that the USA needs to apologize for. I don't condone this type of study at all or on animals for that matter. Now with that said, I have to add we would not have the medications and treatments we do now if unofficial studies like this were not done.

This was a time when many medical breakthroughs were surfacing around the world. I bet if you research unethical medical studies of around the world you would find they performed more shocking studies than this one.

But if they only conducted the study on animals, and the Guatamalans still got infected . . . who's fault would that be?

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Also interesting that our government already called Guatemala's to apologize, but the article also says that the Guatemalan government was also involved. Will they apologize to their own citizens? At least according to this article, it looks like, in this case, we already did step up first.

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I highly doubt this was the only thing that the USA needs to apologize for. I don't condone this type of study at all or on animals for that matter. Now with that said, I have to add we would not have the medications and treatments we do now if unofficial studies like this were not done.

This was a time when many medical breakthroughs were surfacing around the world. I bet if you research unethical medical studies of around the world you would find they performed more shocking studies than this one.

But if they only conducted the study on animals, and the Guatamalans still got infected . . . who's fault would that be?

Yours of course...

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Amen to that!

I wonder oif the Japanese will ever own up to the laundry list of things far worse thta they did across the lands they conquered.

The pertinent question is not "will they" but "should they". And the answer to that is yes.

Come on, I'd like to think that the governance of nations is conducted at a slightly higher level of maturity than a kindergarten sandpit - doing the right thing should not be conditional on someone else doing it first.

With that line of thinking you are saying the Gov should always apologizes for wrong doings. The list is way too long and would take a lifetime of apologies to be made.

Every Country has situations the previous generations have done that looking back on 10,20,30 yrs later regret. This will never change. No matter how wrong one generations decision making was, at that point they believed it to be correct.

No one needs to apologize first ,second, third, etc. This is not our apology(our generations apology) to make.

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Amen to that!

I wonder oif the Japanese will ever own up to the laundry list of things far worse thta they did across the lands they conquered.

The pertinent question is not "will they" but "should they". And the answer to that is yes.

Come on, I'd like to think that the governance of nations is conducted at a slightly higher level of maturity than a kindergarten sandpit - doing the right thing should not be conditional on someone else doing it first.

It just seems that the lunacy was widespread in the first half of the 20th century. The US has apologized... then again the US was WAY down on the orders of magnitude with this kind of depravity compared to the other nations in search of medical solutions using people "not like them". The problem was simple... some groups were seen as less than human. Maybe someday human beings like that will allow other human beings the same rights to live no matter their race, religion or national origin.

And as an addendum...I would think it’s a bad idea for an Englishman to get too high and mighty about obliterating large segments of populations..

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And as an addendum...I would think it’s a bad idea for an Englishman to get too high and mighty about obliterating large segments of populations.

I wasn't. You brought it up, remember?

And as an American, you shouldn't be getting high and mighty genocide either. Assuming your idea about citizens being individually responsible for the behaviour of their country years before they were born is actually correct.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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And as an addendum...I would think it’s a bad idea for an Englishman to get too high and mighty about obliterating large segments of populations.

I wasn't. You brought it up, remember?

And as an American, you shouldn't be getting high and mighty genocide either. Assuming your idea about citizens being individually responsible for the behaviour of their country years before they were born is actually correct.

I don't think she IS getting high and mighty genocide.

I don't think she is getting any genocide at all.

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I never heard of an apology from the US Government for its criminal activity in their 1950's. They infected children with radioactive oatmeal in the orphanages to view its short and long term effects.

Quaker Oats fully cooperated with this program and I have the same respect for them as I do for our Government.

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Is that why she's always so cranky?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Is that why she's always so cranky?

Don't bet on that

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Is that why she's always so cranky?

Does she LOOK muslim?

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Have you ever not lived off the public tit?

Your ignorance is lamentable.

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For those who think the US should never apologize.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/01/AR2010100107299.html

Similar to other infectious social experiments conducted by the liberal progressives since FDR. Eventually, the people begin to realize the corruption. They come together at parties to discuss the situation over a spot of tea. And, then they bring about the necessary changes.

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Have you ever not lived off the public tit?

Kallend works for a private University. He is not paid by taxpayer dollars.

On the other hand, all military personnel are paid with taxpayer dollars. Are they "living off the public tit?"

What did your comment have to do with the subject of this thread? It's a simple question, does the US have, or ever have, the right to treat human beings who happen to be citizens of another country as lab animals? I say no, and I say an apology is in order. What say you?

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Perhaps we should apologize for littering in the Boston Harbor as well?

Curious moral compass you have there. So, you equate treating human beings as lab mice with a political protest against "taxation without representation"? Funny how people who don't trust the government to get anything right are willing to give them the authority to experiment on people without the consent of those people. As long as they aren't American people, I suppose.

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It's a simple question, does the US have, or ever have, the right to treat human beings who happen to be citizens of another country as lab animals? I say no, and I say an apology is in order. What say you?

Missed this post, did we?

Yes, it was wrong. Yes, the US did things like this. Yes, so did many other countries. No, that doesn't make it ok. But yes, the US has issued an apology. Have you seen Russia apologizing for their acts of genocide, torture, and despicable experiments?

Of course, Putin is not the same government or the same man as was in power in those days, but neither is Obama the same as the men in charge of the US when those horrible things happened. So do you expect Putin to say anything about Katyn?

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It's a simple question, does the US have, or ever have, the right to treat human beings who happen to be citizens of another country as lab animals? I say no, and I say an apology is in order. What say you?

Missed this post, did we?

Yes, it was wrong. Yes, the US did things like this. Yes, so did many other countries. No, that doesn't make it ok. But yes, the US has issued an apology. Have you seen Russia apologizing for their acts of genocide, torture, and despicable experiments?

Of course, Putin is not the same government or the same man as was in power in those days, but neither is Obama the same as the men in charge of the US when those horrible things happened. So do you expect Putin to say anything about Katyn?

GOD.. don't you just hate it when that bitch posts shit like that?????