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rehmwa 2
QuoteI think the vast majority of people who call themselves that (esp. in the US, where "atheist" is a dirty word, like "Communist") do so because, despite the fact that they are essentially atheists, they wish to avoid social stigma associated with the word "atheist". Socially, it's a path of lesser resistance.
agreed -
but in my case, the atheists I've come across have been "fanatical" about it - and rude and self superior about it - just like the excessively devout religious.
so I'm avoiding the social stigmata of being an 'atheist' rather than the social stigmata of not being religious.......(yes, I wrote stigmata instead of stigma just for the fun of it)
I assume that most atheists, much like most religious types, just quietly have their beliefs and don't go around naming themselves and others and pushing their own position as the true position. These people I enjoy quite a bit.
(actually, agnostic just describes my position best - I don't know - but I don't really care either - atheists seem to really care about it - Jakee and I have gone around a lot on this, we understand the other's positions well, we just don't agree on how to present them....)
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rehmwa 2
QuoteYou don't know that there isn't an invisible unicorn outside your window, a family of gnomes living at the bottom of the garden, a goblin under the floorboards or a fairy sitting on your shoulder.
great, now I'm nervous and searching for home security systems. thanks a lot
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rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think there are a decent number of agnostics who doubt the veracity of all the specific religion stories, but who don't doubt that there is some sort of spiritual force that we don't have insight into.
If they believe in some manner of non-corporial, non-physical "spiritual force", then they're not agnostics.
I'm not concerned with the semantics of what that are - but they are not agnostics.
Yep.
yep - that's just a PC version of religion
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wmw999 2,545
I see that as the difference between the "God doesn't matter enough for me even to think about his existence" atheists and the "Dammit there is no God" atheists.Quotebut in my case, the atheists I've come across have been "fanatical" about it - and rude and self superior about it
YMMV
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
rehmwa 2
QuoteI see that as the difference between the "God doesn't matter enough for me even to think about his existence" atheists and the "Dammit there is no God" atheists..Quotebut in my case, the atheists I've come across have been "fanatical" about it - and rude and self superior about it
in that case, the guys can call me atheist (purely too, no 'karma' beliefs, or crap about 'spirituality' here either) if I can be the first kind
ironic though in that I enjoy this type of thread
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skipbelt 0
QuoteQuoteYou don't know that there isn't an invisible unicorn outside your window, a family of gnomes living at the bottom of the garden, a goblin under the floorboards or a fairy sitting on your shoulder.
great, now I'm nervous and searching for home security systems. thanks a lot
watch out for the artesians and the gremlins !
maadmax 0
QuoteI don't think that's the conclusion of the survey. What individuals conclude is up to them.
But what someone posted up-thread (that atheists and agnostics tended to get there after questioning and studying what they were brought up with) does make sense as a possible reason for this correlation.
Agreed, and I am sure that happens alot. Since for the most part religion is a hierarchical social institution based on unsupportable beliefs. In my experience, spirituality is a personal relationship with God and has nothing to gain from religion. Debunking the falsehoods of religion does not lend support the atheist agenda.
skipbelt 0
educated guess , you atheists/agnostics are obuma supporters. get onboard !
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champu 1
Quotebut in my case, the atheists I've come across have been "fanatical" about it - and rude and self superior about it - just like the excessively devout religious.
Aside from the occasional sarcastic t-shirt or helmet sticker I'm not very vocal about it.
skipbelt 0
a big man will admit when he's wrong !
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted[italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot.
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.
i'm holding my breath !
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted[italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot.
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.
i'm holding my breath !
billvon 3,078
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>obuma slipping into the grip of atheism
>http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75843
(slightly later post)
>educated guess , you atheists/agnostics are obuma supporters. get onboard !
>http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/28/101294/obama-talks-up-his-faith-in-jesus.html
Your Obama-bashes are a little less effective when they flip flop so often.
>http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75843
(slightly later post)
>educated guess , you atheists/agnostics are obuma supporters. get onboard !
>http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/28/101294/obama-talks-up-his-faith-in-jesus.html
Your Obama-bashes are a little less effective when they flip flop so often.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteI see that as the difference between the "God doesn't matter enough for me even to think about his existence" atheists and the "Dammit there is no God" atheists.Quotebut in my case, the atheists I've come across have been "fanatical" about it - and rude and self superior about it
Yeah, that's it. Atheism has distinct synods.
skipbelt 0
Quote>obuma slipping into the grip of atheism
>http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75843
(slightly later post)
>educated guess , you atheists/agnostics are obuma supporters. get onboard !
>http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/28/101294/obama-talks-up-his-faith-in-jesus.html
Your Obama-bashes are a little less effective when they flip flop so often.
thank you for joining my obuma criticism and pointing out what a flip flopper he is !
turtlespeed 226
QuoteQuoteI see that as the difference between the "God doesn't matter enough for me even to think about his existence" atheists and the "Dammit there is no God" atheists.Quotebut in my case, the atheists I've come across have been "fanatical" about it - and rude and self superior about it
Yeah, that's it. Atheism has distinct synods.
Those same people would say "God Help Us" in a life threatening emergency . . JUST IN CASE.
They also tend to use the term "Goddammit" a lot too.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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quade 4
We also have a tendency to say, "fuck me" and "fuck you" without referring to the sexual act. Sometimes a word is simply an exclamation point.
quade -
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turtlespeed 226
QuoteWe also have a tendency to say, "fuck me" and "fuck you" without referring to the sexual act.
As well as reference to defecation without the actual inference to doing the act specifically.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
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quade 4
QuoteQuoteWe also have a tendency to say, "fuck me" and "fuck you" without referring to the sexual act.
As well as reference to defecation without the actual inference to doing the act specifically.
Glad to have you on board.
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turtlespeed 226
QuoteQuoteQuoteWe also have a tendency to say, "fuck me" and "fuck you" without referring to the sexual act.
As well as reference to defecation without the actual inference to doing the act specifically.
Glad to have you on board.
I know better than that.
But nice joke . . .
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
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jakee 1,564
QuoteQuoteQuoteI see that as the difference between the "God doesn't matter enough for me even to think about his existence" atheists and the "Dammit there is no God" atheists.Quotebut in my case, the atheists I've come across have been "fanatical" about it - and rude and self superior about it
Yeah, that's it. Atheism has distinct synods.
Those same people would say "God Help Us" in a life threatening emergency . . JUST IN CASE.
No, they'll probably be doing something constructive instead.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,564
QuoteI see that as the difference between the "God doesn't matter enough for me even to think about his existence" atheists
That is a very strange way of putting it.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
quade 4
QuoteQuoteI see that as the difference between the "God doesn't matter enough for me even to think about his existence" atheists
That is a very strange way of putting it.
On a day-to-day basis, how much thought do you put into the existence of unicorns?
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jakee 1,564
QuoteQuoteQuoteI see that as the difference between the "God doesn't matter enough for me even to think about his existence" atheists
That is a very strange way of putting it.
On a day-to-day basis, how much thought do you put into the existence of unicorns?
No, it's just worded the way that you would talk about something that does exist but that you don't care about.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
But what someone posted up-thread (that atheists and agnostics tended to get there after questioning and studying what they were brought up with) does make sense as a possible reason for this correlation.
Wendy P.
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