Pledge with America

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instead of following the party-based playbooks in their voting and then LYING as they approach November

One thing you can always count on from Washington, people lying like their jobs depend on it.

Peace, love and hoppiness

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Had the current congress done nothing including the HC sham bill, we would be much better off already

You mean letting the banks, GM and Chrysler fail? YESThat's the true free market approach but I think we'd be MUCH worse off if we had done that. As for HC, it was the right idea but it was too compromised to be as effective as it could be. It's also pretty much embraced in "the pledge", it's just that the Republicans want to claim it as their own.

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Just as FDR did, Obama is extending the current mess.

True, times like this recession and the depression are times when the government is allowed to spend like a drunken sailor. The problem was that we had already done that and there was nothing left.

Your last statement I agree with except for the nothing left part. Would not matter is the gov coffers had been full
Not the right thing to do anythime

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I agree with both of you, except for the "current administration killing the economy". The economy was almost dead ......

I expected this from a couple players, not you.

I didn't think that there was any debate that our economy was in the shitter when #44 was elected. It's now stabilized (somewhat) but barely growing. That's not "killing" it. People just disagree on how they want to grow it.

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Your last statement I agree with except for the nothing left part. Would not matter is the gov coffers had been full
Not the right thing to do anythime

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I didn't think that there was any debate that our economy was in the shitter when #44 was elected. It's now stabilized (somewhat) but barely growing. That's not "killing" it. People just disagree on how they want to grow it.

and others would argue that we just stepped on the accelerator even harder with current policy - regardless of the previous guys screw ups - i.e., this admin and congress is pretty much the previous one on steroids

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I didn't think that there was any debate that our economy was in the shitter when #44 was elected. It's now stabilized (somewhat) but barely growing. That's not "killing" it. People just disagree on how they want to grow it.

and others would argue that we just stepped on the accelerator even harder with current policy - regardless of the previous guys screw ups - i.e., this admin and congress is pretty much the previous one on steroids

Nitrous!

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and others would argue that we just stepped on the accelerator even harder with current policy - regardless of the previous guys screw ups - i.e., this admin and congress is pretty much the previous one on steroids

That spending would have happened regardless of who was President. The deficit came out pretty much right on to what the OMB predicted before #44's inauguration. Ron Paul would have been saddled with it. Of course he probably would have tried to save some money by leaving our two wars as quickly as possible and he probably would not have made any deals with the pharmaceutical companies to pass legislation but I could be wrong.