Economy still sucks, unemployment is still high, yet the rich just keep getting richer.

[billvon 3,118]

>Veterans served this country. It is the contract they signed to do so
>that they would receive care.

Agreed. And that's an example of one of your special interests; you want it to suck money out of the coffers and drive us deeper into debt. You'd rather cut someone _else's_ special interest.

Problem is that we have a whole country full of people like you. They all want their special interest funded and want everyone else's defunded. Which is how we got where we are today.

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You should check your facts before making assertions:

This list does not include the European Union (EU), which includes three (Germany, UK, France) of the above states in a single economic entity. As a single economy, the EU is the largest trading partner of the US with €204 billion worth of EU goods going to the US and €160 billion of US goods going to the EU as of 2009[update].[3].

I do know my facts. Your largest trading partner is Canada. Shit click on your wikipedia link and it shows that the USA trades more with Canada than any other country. You are only trying to obfuscate for the sake of making yourself out to be some supreme LIEberal intellect. Oh the arrogance of a LIEberal strikes again.

You know I hope Canada and the USA remain good partners. But with protectionist morons like the Democrats in power this becomes harder and harder. How many raw resources do you get from your beloved EU? Do you think your country can survive without these resources? The USA is addicted to consuming resources. Keep building your protectionist walls and before you know it we will stop sending you these resources. Of course then you will send in your military and conquer us (yes it would be easy to do since the elitist LIEberals up here in Canuckistan feel that everyone should be disarmed). But I digress ... despite what you think, Canada is your largest trading partner and the Canada/US economies are closely linked and dependent on each other. If you choose to sever these long economic ties, you are free to do so. China will still buy from us, we are not 100% dependent on you (though you are the more logical trading partner).

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But thx for butting into our politics

Hmmm ... so only Americans are allowed to participate in these discussions? This goes contrary to everything the Head Honcho has ever said concerning his website. If I am not mistaken the Head Honcho is South African and this website is actually hosted on servers located in Canada?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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>Veterans served this country. It is the contract they signed to do so
>that they would receive care.

Agreed. And that's an example of one of your special interests; you want it to suck money out of the coffers and drive us deeper into debt. You'd rather cut someone _else's_ special interest.

Problem is that we have a whole country full of people like you. They all want their special interest funded and want everyone else's defunded. Which is how we got where we are today.

It os not a special interest.

Show me where there is a contract that entitles people to food stamps in return for a service.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Problem is that we have a whole country full of people like you. They all want their special interest funded and want everyone else's defunded. Which is how we got where we are today.

So what is the solution? Keep spending? or start trimming the fat?

There is a story in our media today that cuts are coming to our bloated Federal civil servants and naturally they are going ape shit over the matter. How does one break the cycle of "I am entitled to my entitlements" when generation after generation are brought up thinking that they are entitled to cushy "for life" government jobs.

None of this crap is sustainable ... you can keep putting on weight every year and not expect to find yourself in trouble down the road.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 3,118]

>It os not a special interest.

Of course it is. It's money you want directed to a specific program for your own reasons. (Ironically you recently described that as "unpatriotic.")

That's not to say there's anything wrong with using money for that particular special interest; I agree with your desire to fund veteran's hospitals well.

>Show me where there is a contract that entitles people to food stamps
>in return for a service.

There is none.

Now show me where in the US Constitution veteran's hospitals are specifically authorized.

[turtlespeed 226]

Look at a serviceman contract. The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.

Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Look at a serviceman contract. The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.

Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

Yes. It's a commitment quite different from say, agricultural subsidies to tobacco or corn.

[billvon 3,118]

>The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.
>Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

Ah. In that case, welfare, as a service delineated in the Constitution, is not a special interest either; it is a Constitutional obligation.

Now that we have that out of the way . . .

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>The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.
>Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

Ah. In that case, welfare, as a service delineated in the Constitution, is not a special interest either; it is a Constitutional obligation.

Now that we have that out of the way . . .

Where in the constitution does it say that financial assistance will be given to people that don't work.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Look at a serviceman contract. The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.

Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

Yes. It's a commitment quite different from say, agricultural subsidies to tobacco or corn.

Gee.. there is a welfare program that is generational you dont hear the usual suspects bleeting about

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Look at a serviceman contract. The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.

Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

Yes. It's a commitment quite different from say, agricultural subsidies to tobacco or corn.

Gee.. there is a welfare program that is generational you dont hear the usual suspects bleeting about

Those subsidies are paid to NOT grow stuff - or the economy would be worse than it is.

That is still not a special interest group unless you consider the economy a special group.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Look at a serviceman contract. The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.

Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

Yes. It's a commitment quite different from say, agricultural subsidies to tobacco or corn.

Gee.. there is a welfare program that is generational you dont hear the usual suspects bleeting about

Those subsidies are paid to NOT grow stuff - or the economy would be worse than it is.

That is still not a special interest group unless you consider the economy a special group.

It doesn't get any more special interest than dealing with the corn lobby. If you don't see them as a special interest, then there aren't any.

You know, we could grow something other than corn.

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Look at a serviceman contract. The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.

Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

Yes. It's a commitment quite different from say, agricultural subsidies to tobacco or corn.

Gee.. there is a welfare program that is generational you dont hear the usual suspects bleeting about

Those subsidies are paid to NOT grow stuff - or the economy would be worse than it is.

That is still not a special interest group unless you consider the economy a special group.

It doesn't get any more special interest than dealing with the corn lobby. If you don't see them as a special interest, then there aren't any.

You know, we could grow something other than corn.

I agree 100% - I think we should - like rice. Compete against China.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,118]

>Where in the constitution does it say that financial assistance will be
>given to people that don't work.

Same place it says that hospitals will be built to care for veterans.

[billvon 3,118]

>Those subsidies are paid to NOT grow stuff - or the economy would be
>worse than it is. That is still not a special interest group

So farmers are not a special interest group?

It sounds like your definition of "special interest group" is "any group I dislike." In fact, ANY group that legislation is lobbied for - from veterans to welfare recipients to farmers to solar power advocates to unions to military contractors - is a special interest group.

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Look at a serviceman contract. The costitution allows the Fed to enter into contracts.

Hence it is not a special interest. It is a contractual obligation.

Yes. It's a commitment quite different from say, agricultural subsidies to tobacco or corn.

Gee.. there is a welfare program that is generational you dont hear the usual suspects bleeting about

Those subsidies are paid to NOT grow stuff - or the economy would be worse than it is.

That is still not a special interest group unless you consider the economy a special group.

Agriculture is a special interest group with a large lobbying group hired. That said, I grew up on the farm. My dad said when he was farning he wished the gov would just let it alone and he could make more money. Same applies today. But the system is slanted toward helping those that do not even need it anymore

Farm payouts do need to end. They never should have started

But I do not think it is as much about money as it is control by gov special interest groups. You have to meet the requirements they give you before they will dole out the money.

This how they control seed genetics, fertilizers, weed killers, insectacides et al.

Control and power through the use of money

Same for all gov handout or gov controled programs where the peoples money is taken and then given back with restrictions..

Dept of Education anyone?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,118]

>Farm payouts do need to end. They never should have started

Agreed there.

>This how they control seed genetics, fertilizers, weed killers, insectacides et al.

Well, Monsanto is doing a much better job of controlling seed genetics than the government ever could.

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>Farm payouts do need to end. They never should have started

Agreed there.

>This how they control seed genetics, fertilizers, weed killers, insectacides et al.

Well, Monsanto is doing a much better job of controlling seed genetics than the government ever could.

And they have their lobby as well

Didnt say it was absolute either

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Show me where there is a contract that entitles people to food stamps in return for a service.

verbal contract - "vote for me once and I'll give you food forever"

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

My dad used to make this joke stating (back in the 60's) that all a farmer had to do back then to double his income was



put up another mailbox

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I agree 100% - I think we should - like rice. Compete against China.

Your knowledge of agriculture is truly astounding.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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>Where in the constitution does it say that financial assistance will be
>given to people that don't work.

Same place it says that hospitals will be built to care for veterans.

Show me where there is a contract in place then.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,118]

>Show me where there is a contract in place then.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/rules/Legislation/pdfs/PL_88-525a.pdf

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That is an act, not one single american or illegal immigrant signed that as a contract in return for services.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Can somebody explain to me why it's in the interest of the average American to even consider extending the tax cuts to the wealthy?

Well, the taxes of people who pay taxes (the non-wealthy)
were given to Wall Street millionaires because they it appeared
that they would lose money, or not make millions.
So, we can all be thankful for the stimulus money, otherwise they might suffer from unemployment and not be wealthy.

Of course, when they received their bonuses from the stimulus money, now they have a tax issue.
So it is important to give them tax breaks or they would not
be able to keep it.

55 of the 400 richest are from the investment sector.

What idiot is in charge of giving these people stimulus money and tax breaks ?