Economy still sucks, unemployment is still high, yet the rich just keep getting richer.

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just be caus ethey are safe doesn't make them perfect. What we are talking about here is doing more to become as close to perfect as we can.

There is always a way to become more efficient, perhaps that way has to be invented.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,118]

>Nope fail again

?? What fails?

Is success measured in absolutes or not? If it's not, then you can choose your own definition, and a welfare recipient could well be more successful than a CEO. If it is absolute, then you can claim "hey, it's money" (or stuff, or employment, or whatever) and claim that that CEO is better off than the welfare guy

>But I guess (by your statements here) success is measured in dollars
>made when compared to who makes more

Nope. We were discussing this: "To me, pay is a measure of work level."

[billvon 3,118]

>>Always, always be prepared . . .

>So you don't work at being prepared?

?? Did you read the previous post?

[billvon 3,118]

>No - they didn't work hard enough to over come limitations that others
>didn't have to.

So someone paralyzed from the waist down due to a congenital defect just didn't work hard enough to win the cross country skiing event?

It's absurd to claim that hard work can overcome any given physical incapacity. It takes hard work AND the physical ability.

[turtlespeed 226]

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>No - they didn't work hard enough to over come limitations that others
>didn't have to.

So someone paralyzed from the waist down due to a congenital defect just didn't work hard enough to win the cross country skiing event?

It's absurd to claim that hard work can overcome any given physical incapacity. It takes hard work AND the physical ability.

Nope - they didn't work hard enough learning how to over come the disability.

Like I said - it may be as simple as inventing a new way. If failure was achieved, then not enough preperation and effort and HARD WORK was put into the processes involved in overcoming the obstacles.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

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>>Always, always be prepared . . .

>So you don't work at being prepared?

?? Did you read the previous post?

I did

Did you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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>what motto works better for living one's life?
>Be Prepared.
>Shit Happens.

Personally I use both. Skydiving is a good example. Always, always be prepared - but also realize that shit happens, even to the best prepared, safest skydivers out there.

Do you dedicate 50% of your effort to each motto, or is it more likely that you put one first?

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And if you wish an answer-you're going to have to admit that you haven't been able or willing to communicate your definition.

Because I haven't offered one. I've left it up to people to use the term however they see fit.

If you won't define it, no one can answer your question. It's pretty simple stuff.

I could redefine the term as you're lazy and stupid, but that's hardly constructive.

Be a man and give a definition to work with. Plenty of people here see a definition that is strictly at odds with your union shop mentality.

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Be a man and give a definition to work with. Plenty of people here see a definition that is strictly at odds with your union shop mentality.

Wow . . . is THAT your fucking problem? You can't read a simple sentence without putting it in an anti-union context?

Most people use a dictionary when they can't figure out what a word means.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hard

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3. difficult to do or accomplish; fatiguing; troublesome: a hard task.
4. difficult or troublesome with respect to an action, situation, person, etc.: hard to please; a hard time.
5. difficult to deal with, manage, control, overcome, or understand: a hard problem.
6. involving a great deal of effort, energy, or persistence: hard labor; hard study.
7. performing or carrying on work with great effort, energy, or persistence: a hard worker.

If that still doesn't work for you . . . you're not able to be helped.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[champu 1]

Okay... the sports analogy has gotten really stupid (if that wasn't obvious.) Life is not a manditory biathalon, "if ya ain't first, yer last" is complete nonsense, and no portion of the population worth arguing about is as disadvantaged at every possible career path as a paraplegic skier.

[turtlespeed 226]

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Okay... the sports analogy has gotten really stupid (if that wasn't obvious.) Life is not a manditory biathalon, "if ya ain't first, yer last" is complete nonsense, and no portion of the population worth arguing about is as disadvantaged at every possible career path as a paraplegic skier.

The basic premise ithere is that hard work, even teh segmented definitions provided by the green fellows, will overcome all adversity eventually.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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You want to be pissy....

Your one warning.


(oops! Sorry, Bill. Didn't mean to step on your toes. )

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[billvon 3,118]

>Do you dedicate 50% of your effort to each motto . . .

I dedicate a lot of effort to being prepared BECAUSE shit happens.

[billvon 3,118]

>Nope - they didn't work hard enough learning how to over come the disability.

While life as depicted in a motivational poster is often that simple, it's not really reality.

To get back to the topic at hand, you need a combination of a great many factors to be able to get a high paying job. One is luck. One is hard work. One is opportunity. You do the best you can to bend the odds in your favor - but in the end you cannot control everything about your life, and it's foolish to claim that hard work can obviate anything else that befalls you. Shit happens, sometimes good, sometimes bad. We do the best we can with what 'shit' is handed to us.

[billvon 3,118]

>I did

Cool, so you have your answer.

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Wow . . . is THAT your fucking problem? You can't read a simple sentence without putting it in an anti-union context?

And MY post disappears?

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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Wow . . . is THAT your fucking problem? You can't read a simple sentence without putting it in an anti-union context?

And MY post disappears?

What post? Are you suggesting you've been censored here?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[futuredivot 0]

Nope-there's always the chance that internet ate it. More likely I crossed someone's definition of a line (you're off the hook, saved by that inability to have a definition). Still gripes me when the offending issue isn't obvious and there is no explanation given. Such is life, isn't a democracy.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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Nope-there's always the chance that internet ate it. More likely I crossed someone's definition of a line (you're off the hook, saved by that inability to have a definition). Still gripes me when the offending issue isn't obvious and there is no explanation given. Such is life, isn't a democracy.

Hey, all bickering aside. If you EVER feel as if you are being censored, let us know. We may not always (ever?) agree, but you have the right to voice your opinion.

BTW, I just looked in our "recycle bin" and there's nothing from you in it that I can see.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[champu 1]

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Shit happens, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

I don't know that I've ever heard of "shit happening" with a positive connotation.

As an aside, not necessarily directed at you, sometimes the hardest thing to do when you've been busting your ass at a job and not getting ahead is to change careers to something with a higher reward:effort ratio, something you're better at. Of course then you also have the problem that recognizing what you're good at is not something that everyone is good at.

[turtlespeed 226]

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Shit happens, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

I don't know that I've ever heard of "shit happening" with a positive connotation.

As an aside, not necessarily directed at you, sometimes the hardest thing to do when you've been busting your ass at a job and not getting ahead is to change careers to something with a higher reward:effort ratio, something you're better at. Of course then you also have the problem that recognizing what you're good at is not something that everyone is good at.

All of that is possible if you work hard enough at it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kelpdiver 2]

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Be a man and give a definition to work with. Plenty of people here see a definition that is strictly at odds with your union shop mentality.

Wow . . . is THAT your fucking problem? You can't read a simple sentence without putting it in an anti-union context?

Most people use a dictionary when they can't figure out what a word means.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hard

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3. difficult to do or accomplish; fatiguing; troublesome: a hard task.
4. difficult or troublesome with respect to an action, situation, person, etc.: hard to please; a hard time.
5. difficult to deal with, manage, control, overcome, or understand: a hard problem.
6. involving a great deal of effort, energy, or persistence: hard labor; hard study.
7. performing or carrying on work with great effort, energy, or persistence: a hard worker.

If that still doesn't work for you . . . you're not able to be helped.

So what happened to definitions 1 and 2? and which one did you wish to use?

It's a rhetorical question. We all know that you're unwilling to put your claim up to rigorous scrutiny, which can only be done with a clear statement. Going further is about as pointless as debating is the ocean blue, and refusing to define the color.

No matter - I'll be off to the BLUE waters of the Sea of Cortez by morning, and paying for it with my HARD work.

(BTW, this conversation is a perfect place for an anti union remark. There, or in a government body, effort doesn't matter. Seniority is the only valid measure. Everyone is deemed to gain experience/ability equally)

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So what happened to definitions 1 and 2? and which one did you wish to use?

I didn't want to confuse anybody by thinking about it in the context of an erection.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[futuredivot 0]

We do agree
We agree that its fun to bicker
The post I replied to seems to be gone too.


And....you're still wrong

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[rushmc 23]

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Nope-there's always the chance that internet ate it. More likely I crossed someone's definition of a line (you're off the hook, saved by that inability to have a definition). Still gripes me when the offending issue isn't obvious and there is no explanation given. Such is life, isn't a democracy.

Hey, all bickering aside. If you EVER feel as if you are being censored, let us know. We may not always (ever?) agree, but you have the right to voice your opinion.

BTW, I just looked in our "recycle bin" and there's nothing from you in it that I can see.

Nice to see you post this
I lost one the other day too. I did not think you guys would pull it however so I just figured I screwed up somehow

It just seems it happens to the posts that take the most time

In any event
Thanks for doing what you do
I would not want to do it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln