Help Bring Horse Slaughtering to a Vote

[CarrieByTheSea 0]

Please help bring this issue to a vote.

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"Tell your U.S. representative that you support H.R. 503 and would like him or her to sign Rep. Moran’s letter of support. The letter must be signed by tomorrow, September 21, so there is no time to lose—we urge you to call your rep.’s office today"

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"Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be." ~ Temple Grandin

[skyrider 0]

Sorry...but it is NOT slaughter...it is control....they may be beautiful...but so are Rabbits!

[CarrieByTheSea 0]

"Slaughter" and "control" are not mutually exclusive.

Would you support control without slaughter? Would you favor humane control, inhumane control, or does it make no difference in your opinion?

"Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be." ~ Temple Grandin

[turtlespeed 226]

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"Slaughter" and "control" are not mutually exclusive.

Would you support control without slaughter? Would you favor humane control, inhumane control, or does it make no difference in your opinion?

What would you consider to be "non Slaughter"?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

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"Slaughter" and "control" are not mutually exclusive.

Would you support control without slaughter? Would you favor humane control, inhumane control, or does it make no difference in your opinion?

What would you consider to be "non Slaughter"?

I support spaying and neutering pets and undesirable creatures

[CarrieByTheSea 0]

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What would you consider to be "non Slaughter"?

The non-killing--particularly the non-brutal killing--of large numbers of animals for food or otherwise.

What do you consider to be "control"?

"Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be." ~ Temple Grandin

[CarrieByTheSea 0]

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I support spaying and neutering pets and undesirable creatures

But, that's control without slaughter! How can that be?

"Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be." ~ Temple Grandin

[Andy9o8 2]

I think your mission and your goal are laudable.

Not to take away from it, but I do want to point out that many people don't realize that many (not all) of the animals whose meat they regularly consume are treated and slaughtered under conditions and with methods that are probably less humane than they would like. No, inhumane slaughter methods should not happen to horses, dogs, dolphins or whales, which are not part of the "typical Western" diet. And those are the examples that get lots of public attention. But neither should it happen to cows, pigs, or sheep, either.

What you're doing on behalf of horses is great. It would be nice if the slaughterhouses that supply our supermarkets and restaurants were under greater scrutiny, too.

[JohnRich 4]

What do you propose as an alternative response to excess horses that would otherwise die of starvation and disease from overpopulation?

[CarrieByTheSea 0]

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But neither should it happen to cows, pigs, or sheep, either.

What you're doing on behalf of horses is great. It would be nice if the slaughterhouses that supply our supermarkets and restaurants were under greater scrutiny, too.

Agreed. While I have never had horse-meat, I have not eaten the other animals you mentioned in many years (and many years before that only sparingly) for that very reason.

It is my position if you can get someone on board the desired path with horses, it becomes easier for them to understand the need for reform in other areas as well.

"Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be." ~ Temple Grandin

[billvon 3,080]

>What do you propose as an alternative response to excess horses that
>would otherwise die of starvation and disease from overpopulation?

Well, disease, starvation, old age and predation work. It's been working OK for a few hundreds of millions of years.

[masterrig 1]

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What do you propose as an alternative response to excess horses that would otherwise die of starvation and disease from overpopulation?

As a horse owner, I 'feel' for the horses being slaughtered. With the economy the way it is, many, many, horse owners are selling to the 'killers' or just cutting them loose to fend for themselves. Some of these horses are registered and damn fine animals. There is a huge market for horse meat in Europe and Asia. I live near a highway that leads to Presidio, Texas and on to Mexico. On that highway, I see truckload after truckload of horses going to the slaughterhouses in Mexico. They are shipped there because the last horse slaughterhouse was shut-down in Texas. Sadly, too many of the horses on those trailers are stolen. There are no check-points looking for stolen horses on this or the other side of the border. By the time a horse is reported stolen, it's too late. The mustangs are protected but they wind-up on the killing floor too.
We do have an over-abundance of horses in this country and possibly, the slaughterhouse is the answer for keeping their numbers in check. I would like to see inspection stations on this side of the border, so as to save stolen horses. Making it mandatory for each driver to go through the inspection stations.


Chuck

[cloudseeker2001 0]

I'm sorry, there is nothing wrong with eating horse meat and I think this stupid. We should be eating horses. Horse meat is very good actually.

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[SkyDekker 1,465]

It sure is, smoked horse meat is very good. Now I'm going to have to take a trip to the Dutch store and get some this weekend....

[rushmc 23]

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But neither should it happen to cows, pigs, or sheep, either.

What you're doing on behalf of horses is great. It would be nice if the slaughterhouses that supply our supermarkets and restaurants were under greater scrutiny, too.

Agreed. While I have never had horse-meat, I have not eaten the other animals you mentioned in many years (and many years before that only sparingly) for that very reason.

It is my position if you can get someone on board the desired path with horses, it becomes easier for them to understand the need for reform in other areas as well.

While there may be some issues in the handleing of animals going to slaughter, your general overtone is not about "reform". It is about you pushing your agenda on the rest of us.

Keep your reform and I will keep eating meat

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,550]

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While there may be some issues in the handleing of animals going to slaughter

There are a lot of issues in the handling of animals being raised for food. Whether one thinks it's an issue is debatable, but whether it's humane to do some of what's done really isn't. If they were cute animals we could identify with, we'd never tolerate the treatment.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[regulator 0]

What benefits do humans attain by slaughtering horses? Please don't tell me that the old cartoon 'glue factory' thing still exists...or was true to begin with.

[rushmc 23]

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While there may be some issues in the handleing of animals going to slaughter

There are a lot of issues in the handling of animals being raised for food. Whether one thinks it's an issue is debatable, but whether it's humane to do some of what's done really isn't. If they were cute animals we could identify with, we'd never tolerate the treatment.

Wendy P.

Yes, and those who would decide what is humain would treat animals better than people.

WE treat them better than they (the animals) themselves and nature treat them already (in nearly all cases)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,550]

Nature lets them starve to death and be eaten, yes. But confining chickens to a house, close enough to each other not to be able to move, is not better than nature treats them.

Breeding turkeys for such big breasts that they cannot move comfortably is not better than nature treats them.

Confining pigs to inside their entire lives, in confined quarters, is not better than nature treats them.

Sorry, but living like people isn't ideal for most animals. It's not ideal for most people. One's body feels better overall with regular movement and exercise; so does an animal's. Since they're not particularly entertained by postwhoring or sitcoms, you can't even say that they're OK relaxing.

Yes, in fact, I do pay more for meat. I eat it willingly; free range meat, hunted meat, free range eggs -- all delicious. My choice might be different if I had a large family to feed on a small salary.

But just as some companies engage in practices that maximize profit at the expense of their employees (sweatshops as an example), some factory farms maximize profit at the expense of the animals they raise. Animals aren't people, but dogs and cats are -- if we can't imagine treating a dog or a cat that way, it's a safe bet that it's probably not right to treat a chicken or a pig that way.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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Nature lets them starve to death and be eaten, yes. But confining chickens to a house, close enough to each other not to be able to move, is not better than nature treats them.

Breeding turkeys for such big breasts that they cannot move comfortably is not better than nature treats them.

Confining pigs to inside their entire lives, in confined quarters, is not better than nature treats them.

Sorry, but living like people isn't ideal for most animals. It's not ideal for most people. One's body feels better overall with regular movement and exercise; so does an animal's. Since they're not particularly entertained by postwhoring or sitcoms, you can't even say that they're OK relaxing.

Yes, in fact, I do pay more for meat. I eat it willingly; free range meat, hunted meat, free range eggs -- all delicious. My choice might be different if I had a large family to feed on a small salary.

But just as some companies engage in practices that maximize profit at the expense of their employees (sweatshops as an example), some factory farms maximize profit at the expense of the animals they raise. Animals aren't people, but dogs and cats are -- if we can't imagine treating a dog or a cat that way, it's a safe bet that it's probably not right to treat a chicken or a pig that way.

Wendy P.

I am not saying there are not issues as I indicated in my post.

However, the goal of the OP is very clear

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DSE 5]

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I support spaying and neutering pets and undesirable creatures

But, that's control without slaughter! How can that be?

Perhaps more painful to the animal than slaughter under controlled, humane conditions?
I can tell you being neutered is very painful.

[SkyPiggie 0]

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>What do you propose as an alternative response to excess horses that
>would otherwise die of starvation and disease from overpopulation?

Well, disease, starvation, old age and predation work. It's been working OK for a few hundreds of millions of years.

Correct, but the original poster doesn't seem to acknowledge that. I wonder if she's okay with the natural cycles of feast and famine, which on the downturns, create widespread devastation amongst wildlife. Skypiggie is wondering if she finds that preferable to humans managing the herd at a size where they all get to stay healthy. Especially since predators like mountain lions and wolves are no longer present in large numbers to do the job naturally. For that matter, horses aren't native to North America anyway - they were brought here by the Spaniards in the 1500's.

[Southern_Man 0]

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Yes, in fact, I do pay more for meat. I eat it willingly; free range meat, hunted meat, free range eggs -- all delicious. My choice might be different if I had a large family to feed on a small salary.

But just as some companies engage in practices that maximize profit at the expense of their employees (sweatshops as an example), some factory farms maximize profit at the expense of the animals they raise. Animals aren't people, but dogs and cats are -- if we can't imagine treating a dog or a cat that way, it's a safe bet that it's probably not right to treat a chicken or a pig that way.

Wendy P.

I may just more more selfish than Wendy but I am more concerned with the impact that factory farmed meat has on my health. I mean, sure ideally all meat for consumption should be raised under humane conditions for the animals involved. I am convinced that feeding cows on corn (they are not made to digest corn and have to be given tons of antibiotics so they do not get sick and die) produces meat that is not as healthy for me. Same with raising chickens in feedlots and never letting them stand up or go outside.

It is a problem as the labeled (free range-etc) meat you get in Whole Foods and the like doesn't always mean what you would think it means. Most free range chickens never step foot outside the chicken house either.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[billvon 3,080]

>WE treat them better than they (the animals) themselves and nature
>treat them already (in nearly all cases)

If you really, honestly think that - you've never seen a factory farm or a big feedlot. In nature, chickens don't pull each other's beaks off, or confine them to a box the same size they are.

[rushmc 23]

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>WE treat them better than they (the animals) themselves and nature
>treat them already (in nearly all cases)

If you really, honestly think that - you've never seen a factory farm or a big feedlot. In nature, chickens don't pull each other's beaks off, or confine them to a box the same size they are.

I said I know there is issue but, I have worked in many of those places so yes, I have seen and worked on them

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln