Yom Kippur

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'You have never been mine. Go away, for your deeds are evil.' (Matthew 7:15-23)

You are simply out of your depth.

These verses are a call to repentance.

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Not in my interpretation.

Or mine, I think your quote is very apt.

There you go twisting things up again.

That is not my interpretation either.

I already disclosed what vereses I was talking about when I said that, but you conveniently left them out.

But yes, there are many, not few, but many that will not make it because they never had a personal relationship with Christ.

You do understand that those are the words of Christ, right?

The fact is that there are many "Christians" that only give lip service and/or rely on meaningless religious rituals to save them...they have no faith in God and do not understand his promises and certainly don't repent.

There are many people like some televagelists and pastors of Churches that exploit scripture and take advantage of people for their own personal gain.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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What atonement? What is this Yom Kippur all about?

Read you own link, its quite clearly stated.

No, it isn't.

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>Where else does true atonement come from but the Holy one of Israel?

Well, for quite a while you could buy it from the Pope.

>Who else has died for us but Jesus Christ . . .

Well, Saint Stephen, James the Great, Philip the Apostle, Matthew the Evangelist, James the Just, Matthias, Saint Andrew, Saint Mark, Saint Peter, Apostle Paul, Saint Jude, Saint Bartholomew, Thomas the Apostle, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Zealot, and Antipas of Pergamum would be a partial list.

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>Where else does true atonement come from but the Holy one of Israel?

Well, for quite a while you could buy it from the Pope.

Yes, and those indulgences are still accepted...Like money my family gives to the Catholic Church that's supposed to get my grandmother out of Limbo, a place not mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

It ticks me off so much...

Matthew 21:12-13
Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. "It is written," he said to them, " 'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'"

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>Who else has died for us but Jesus Christ . . .

Well, Saint Stephen, James the Great, Philip the Apostle, Matthew the Evangelist, James the Just, Matthias, Saint Andrew, Saint Mark, Saint Peter, Apostle Paul, Saint Jude, Saint Bartholomew, Thomas the Apostle, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Zealot, and Antipas of Pergamum would be a partial list.

C'mon dude, we're talking about atonement here.

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I take it that this thread is NOT about smoked Herring

lox ?

Nope Lox is Salmon nor Herring - 'F' for fish recognition matey

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Yom KippurChristmas is observed by many secular JewsChristians who may not observe other holidays. Many secular JewsChristians attend synagogue onat Yom KippurChristmas—for many secular JewsChristians the High Holidays are the only recurring times of the year in which they attend synagogueChurch,—causing synagogueChurch attendance to soar, and almost two-thirds fast

So whats the difference? Christianity is no different in this respect. As for your earlier post it does not show the origins of Judaism simply one part of a very long story. A lot has happened in the last to thousand years, do you still think that God has turned away from the Jews? If so how does that sit with the fact that the temple is once again under Jewish control? Why is it the Muslims and Jews believe that other faiths can make it to heaven yet Christians think their the only ones that will? (I know what your going to say but the guy who said it was a Jew!)

I don't think the Jews celebrate the birth of Christ.

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You do understand that those are the words of Christ, right?

I understand that thats what the Bible says are the words of Christ. I also understand that the book has been translated countless times, edited by the Romans and tweeked for two thousand years. No one knows who actually wrote most of the books of the New Testament. So did he say that? Maybe, maybe not... Time will tell I guess.

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What atonement? What is this Yom Kippur all about?

Read you own link, its quite clearly stated.

No, it isn't.

OK, seeing as you seem to be having a written comprehension problem...

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According to Jewish tradition, God inscribes each person's fate for the coming year into a book, the Book of Life, on Rosh Hashanah, and waits until Yom Kippur to "seal" the verdict. During the Days of Awe, a Jew tries to amend his or her behavior and seek forgiveness for wrongs done against God (bein adam leMakom) and against other human beings (bein adam lechavero). The evening and day of Yom Kippur are set aside for public and private petitions and confessions of guilt (Vidui). At the end of Yom Kippur, one considers oneself absolved by God.

So to answer your question having atoned for your sins absolution is given by God. See not so difficult after all was it.

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Yom KippurChristmas is observed by many secular JewsChristians who may not observe other holidays. Many secular JewsChristians attend synagogue onat Yom KippurChristmas—for many secular JewsChristians the High Holidays are the only recurring times of the year in which they attend synagogueChurch,—causing synagogueChurch attendance to soar, and almost two-thirds fast

So whats the difference? Christianity is no different in this respect. As for your earlier post it does not show the origins of Judaism simply one part of a very long story. A lot has happened in the last to thousand years, do you still think that God has turned away from the Jews? If so how does that sit with the fact that the temple is once again under Jewish control? Why is it the Muslims and Jews believe that other faiths can make it to heaven yet Christians think their the only ones that will? (I know what your going to say but the guy who said it was a Jew!)

I don't think the Jews celebrate the birth of Christ.

AH - yes . . . left out the word The as in The Christ.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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While Christianity developed its concept of atonement out of the same roots in the Hebrew Bible (Christian Old Testament), the different theology of Christianity led it to develop that concept in ways distinctly different from Judaism. In Christianity atonement refers to the forgiving or pardoning of sin through the death of Jesus Christ by crucifixion. To some, this death is viewed as human sacrifice,[by whom?] and since the Hebrew Bible states that human sacrifice is an abomination in the sight of God (Lev. 18:21, 20:2-5, Deu. 12:31, Jer. 32:34-35), is a problematic view of atonement. According to Jewish law, the blood of the atoning sacrifice was to be offered on the altar of the temple (Ex. 30:10, Lev. 16) and Jesus was crucified outside the temple. Moreover, the prophet Ezekiel speaks out against the idea of vicarious atonement, where one person can suffer punishment for another person's sin: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him" (Eze. 18:20). Thus although the Mosaic law prescribes animal sacrifices for ritual worship, this is by no means viewed as supporting the idea of vicarious atonement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atonement_in_Judaism#Compared_with_Christian_idea_of_atonement

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?? The temple was destroyed aproximately 2000 years ago and the animal sacrafices for the atonement of sin have ceased...Could it be because the only sacrafice acceptable to God occured on Mt Calvary/Golgatha once and for all approximately 2000 years ago...As I said, it is clear that God takes no pleasure in the blood of bulls, and lambs and goats.

So God found animal sacrifices an abomonation and unacceptable but was only happy once he'd had a human sacrifice. Hmmmm.....

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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?? The temple was destroyed aproximately 2000 years ago and the animal sacrafices for the atonement of sin have ceased...Could it be because the only sacrafice acceptable to God occured on Mt Calvary/Golgatha once and for all approximately 2000 years ago...As I said, it is clear that God takes no pleasure in the blood of bulls, and lambs and goats.

So God found animal sacrifices an abomonation and unacceptable but was only happy once he'd had a human sacrifice.

It was the self sacrifice that he coveted.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Oh, suicide was it? Thought he banned that as well as human sacrifice in the good book.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Oh, suicide was it? Thought he banned that as well as human sacrifice in the good book.

You don't actually know the story do you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Lame come back.

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Could it be because the only sacrafice acceptable to God occured on Mt Calvary/Golgatha once and for all approximately 2000 years ago

Acording to the Bible Jesus was sacrificed on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind. That makes him a human sacafice.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Lame come back.

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Could it be because the only sacrafice acceptable to God occured on Mt Calvary/Golgatha once and for all approximately 2000 years ago

Acording to the Bible Jesus was sacrificed on the cross to atone for the sins of mankind. That makes him a human sacafice.

It was a self sacrifice, yes, but he he did not commit suicide.

He just didn't denounce himself like they wanted him to.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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So why did Jesus have to die?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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At the end of Yom Kippur, one considers oneself absolved by God

Very important...that popped out at me at first glance...interesting that you missed it.

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What you want him to send you a letter notifying you? After all you consider yourself saved by the sacrifice of Jesus.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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All the verses you've listed have to do with sacraficing their children to all these other gods, specifically Molech...this isn't even close to what we're talking about here.

Lev. 18:21
You shall not give any of your children to offer them
to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.

Deu. 12:31
You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the LORD hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.

Jer. 32:34-35
They set up their abominations in the house that is called by my name, to defile it. They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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?? The temple was destroyed aproximately 2000 years ago and the animal sacrafices for the atonement of sin have ceased...Could it be because the only sacrafice acceptable to God occured on Mt Calvary/Golgatha once and for all approximately 2000 years ago...As I said, it is clear that God takes no pleasure in the blood of bulls, and lambs and goats.

So God found animal sacrifices an abomonation and unacceptable but was only happy once he'd had a human sacrifice. Hmmmm.....

What are you talking about, the Old Testament is is clear about what was going on:

Isiah 53:

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied ;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.


Psalm 22:
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, and am not silent.

3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the praise of Israel. [a]

4 In you our fathers put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.

5 They cried to you and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not disappointed.

6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by men and despised by the people.

7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads:

8 "He trusts in the LORD;
let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him."

9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you
even at my mother's breast.

10 From birth I was cast upon you;
from my mother's womb you have been my God.

11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.

13 Roaring lions tearing their prey
open their mouths wide against me.

14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted away within me.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.

16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have pierced [c] my hands and my feet.

17 I can count all my bones;
people stare and gloat over me.

18 They divide my garments among them
and cast lots for my clothing.

19 But you, O LORD, be not far off;
O my Strength, come quickly to help me.

20 Deliver my life from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.

21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save [d] me from the horns of the wild oxen.

22 I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the congregation I will praise you.

23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!

24 For he has not despised or disdained
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you [e] will I fulfill my vows.

26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
they who seek the LORD will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,

28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
and he rules over the nations.

29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.

30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.

31 They will proclaim his righteousness
to a people yet unborn—
for he has done it.

So it is clear what's going on here...If you don't believe, you don't believe...you are in the comfort of many.

Please, just study the text and pray for understanding.

Peace Skyrad, and God Bless.

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So why did Jesus have to die?

You should really read the story. All those answers are there, and they are very clear.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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OK, so now: 45 posts on, if you had just one sentence to sum up what this thread was when you started it, and what it has become and why, what would that be?

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OK, so now: 45 posts on, if you had just one sentence to sum up what this thread was when you started it, and what it has become and why, what would that be?

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Happy Yom Kappur, the usual suspects enter, Bollocks

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Muslim sends a respectful message of goodwill to the Jewish community on a holy day which is hijacked by Christian bigotry towards said Jewish community.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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