Four million Americans fall into poverty in one year

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you think canada is socialist ?
no capitalism there ?
remember the cccp ?

I don't think that, I have ahard time understanding how you could interpret that..... wait, the guy who never posts objective supportring data....yea, I get it.

I was illustrating how the guy I was responding to was calling Cuba, China and N Korea Socialist whne they are Communist. Get it yet? If those countries are Socialist, so must be Canada.

all those countries you assert are communist ARE socialist , and you said " never " !

They may have socialist elements, as we ahve socialist elements, as I just said, but they are primarily communist. If that's hard to grasp, I can't make it any more clear. We have socialist security, that doesn't mean we're a socialist nation.

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Under Socialism the status of teh poor isn't tied to the rich, they are empowered w/o sucking off the rich,

ROFL...oh yeah! There are so many empowered poor in Cuba, China, and North Korea. Wow!

Seriously Lucky...now that you've had a chance to see that statement are you sure you don't want to re-think what you said?

I see, claiming that N Korea, Cuba and China are Socialist is the problem; they are Communist. They may have Socialist elements to them, as do we, but they are definitiely Communist. I guess you have to misrepresent them in order to make your point. Is Canada Communist too, or is this just your delluded puzzle where you get to fill in the blanks?

Communist, socialist...I don't care. Their poor are so empowered.

Communist, no. Socialist, yes. The countries in W.E. have as federal law that all working citizens must get between 30 days and 9 weeks vaction, depending upon which country. They all have medical access guaranteed them in different ways. They are empowered.

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I see, claiming that N Korea, Cuba and China are Socialist is the problem; they are Communist. They may have Socialist elements to them, as do we, but they are definitiely Communist. I guess you have to misrepresent them in order to make your point. Is Canada Communist too, or is this just your delluded puzzle where you get to fill in the blanks?

So tell us. In your enlightened views, what is the difference between socialism and communism?

Communism = the means of production are controlled by the government.

Socialism = the means of production are controlled by the people.

Capitalism = the means of production are controlled by the market and the elite control the market, so it is controled by the elite.

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they are empowered w/o sucking off the rich, as with Capitalism; you say you prefer Capitalism and you're not rich?

LOL I've typed and erased 5 different replys..I give up

I'm sorry your typing skills are so bad.

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And enormous list of data that you don't even have a clue as to how to respond.

Data??

You have gotten nutty conclusions bases on twisted views of data

All those here who can think for themselves understand that

To me, you are just funny

you are the ryhs of government and taxation policy

You need to actually take my interpretation of that data and refute it with counter-data or something, anything cogent. But no, we love you the way you are; so predictable.

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Capitalism = the means of production are controlled by the market and the elite control the market, so it is controled by the elite.

So how would the 'elite' control which cell phone service I choose? Or which house I buy? I find your statement funny because it inferers that the 'elite' control my decision as a consumer.

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Well now there's the interesting point. When wealthy industrialists, or greedy capitalists, or whatever perjorative term you prefer, but when the rich are making money, lots of folks are employed. When the rich aren't making money, fewer folks have jobs.

Per the graph it appears the real wealth is made when by the rich when the poor earn income:

http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/courses/so11/stratification/income&wealth.htm


The distribution of wealth is much more unequal than the distribution of income, especially when focussing on the bottom 60% of all households. The bottom 60% of households possess only 4% of the nation's wealth while it earns 26.8% of all income.

So I guess the rich need to have the poor working so they can continue their greedy quest to own it all.

Also, under Capitalism, you're right, which is why Capitalism is so slimy. Under Socialism the status of teh poor isn't tied to the rich, they are empowered w/o sucking off the rich, as with Capitalism; you say you prefer Capitalism and you're not rich?

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This is exactly why I laugh whenever you talk about economics.

And here I predicted more drooling.

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You complain about unequal distribution of wealth, but you can't point to a single socialist country that has equal distobition if wealth.

I'm not looking for some even distribution, just one that's not so skewed, one where there is a reasonable baseline of benefits, HC, etc.

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In most socialist countries there is a larger gap between rich an poor than in capitalist countries.

I'd like to see teh data, but even if true, I don't believe it is, but poor people are guaranteed HC, vacation with their employer, etc. I don't see a greater disparity in wealth between upper and lower counting HC, vacation and other benefits.

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Go ahead, show me a socialist countr where the poor are "empowered." You can't. There is always a ruling class and then everyone else.

Empowered doesn't mean they have to rule, it just means they have some power/control/benefit of their nation such as vacation, HC, etc. I believe all W.E. countries guarantee all of these, whereas we don't.

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Socialism is the lie that somehow the people in charge will not do things to give themselves more advantages.

No, the people in power will distribute some of that to the lower classes, the people will have control of teh means of production thru unionization, election, etc.

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Capitalism is the promise that you have a chance to better yourself.

Capitalism is idea that those with capital will control the market and exploit it for their own good and benefit.

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Socialism is more government power and intrusion into private life.

That's Communism; I don;t expect you kn ow the difference or if you do, you don't care enough to be correct.

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The very concept of socialism precludes there being a "private life." Your socialist views require absolute trust in people running the government.

That's Communism. If the gov gets out of control under Socialism, the peopel revolt, if that revolt is met with force and no resolve is realized, that's Communism.

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You seem to despise people with wealth and power. Which is ironic because one set is the same as the other.

No, I despise governments that allow the rich to run unchecked, this is not a scenario of teh rich running amuck, they will if you let them, this is a case where some gov officials let and encouage the rich to run unchecked.

I could analogize that with cops; most cops aren't inherently dirty, but when some, many see teh courts let them get away with murder, they then abuse their power. Get it?

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Capitalism = the means of production are controlled by the market and the elite control the market, so it is controled by the elite.

So how would the 'elite' control which cell phone service I choose? Or which house I buy? I find your statement funny because it inferers that the 'elite' control my decision as a consumer.

The means of production isn't the same as the means of specific products of consumption. You're looking at a major theme as a microcosm; it doesn't work like that.

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Capitalism = the means of production are controlled by the market and the elite control the market, so it is controled by the elite.

You said in the above post that the elite control the market.

I am the market because I buy. So tell me how the elite controls what I buy.

Thanks

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Communism = the means of production are controlled by the government.

Socialism = the means of production are controlled by the people.

Capitalism = the means of production are controlled by the market and the elite control the market, so it is controled by the elite.

How exactly do the people of Venezuela control the means of production?

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And enormous list of data that you don't even have a clue as to how to respond.

Data??

You have gotten nutty conclusions bases on twisted views of data

All those here who can think for themselves understand that

To me, you are just funny

you are the ryhs of government and taxation policy

You need to actually take my interpretation of that data and refute it with counter-data or something, anything cogent. But no, we love you the way you are; so predictable.

There is nothing to refute

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I have not seen any tents in my comunity lately. in the low income section of the town I work in, most have cell phones and thousand dollar rims. go to dominican republic and mexico if you want to see poverty.

Or have a look right here?

http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-09-17/americans-poor-tent-city.html

that doesn't look like 40 million people, hardly looks like 20. bad to see and does need to be fixed but Obama doesn't seem to want to fix it, only make it worse.

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Capitalism = the means of production are controlled by the market and the elite control the market, so it is controled by the elite.

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You said in the above post that the elite control the market.

I am the market because I buy. So tell me how the elite controls what I buy.

Thanks

Lucky, won't you answer my question?

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Communism = the means of production are controlled by the government.

Socialism = the means of production are controlled by the people.

Capitalism = the means of production are controlled by the market and the elite control the market, so it is controled by the elite.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us how you separate the "elite" from the "government.". People with money are tied to people in power and vice versa.

And as much as you piss and moan about people using hypotheticals, all your arguments are completely hypothetical. Communist countries tank their economy in nothing flat and rely on complete control of everything (we generally call that oppression).

Can you name one socialist country, now or in the past? Didn't think so. The closest thing is communism, and that just doesn't work. So what have you got, other than a pipe dream?

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