Republiturds in a pickle

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What will be funny is the flip in the liberal way of thinking when "certain strategys" are used to pass bills that are being fillibustered by the minority group.

Don't worry. The Republicans still hold the record for threatened filibusters. The Dems will never even come close. Just like Earmarks
DOH!

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Sorry, just lost steam, and I'm not going to go do the research. That's why I said that it's my feeling. It's a topic that deserves in-depth study, not the 15 minutes I'd be able to devote, and I've heard fairly convincing arguments on both sides. The problem with picking eras is that there are so many variables, it's hard to say that any single one caused an upswing or downturn. But generally I'm more for doing with less if you have less money; when I was a college student and just after, I drove an old fixer-upper that I did my own work on, and had a roommate. That way I had enough for other stuff. I was 38 before I ever had a car note.

Here, I'll post it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MarginalIncomeTax.svg

Explain how our best years were under extremely high taxation and worst under extremely low taxation, like now. This is not a fad, a brief change, this is 100 years of history and teh fact that yes, as you say, there are other variables as with higer spending, lower spending, higher taxation, lower taxation this creates the best environment for determining the dependent variable. If we had sameness over this 100-year set of samples, it could be impossible to really find the D.V.

Look at contemporary times, realtively higehr taxes as with Clinton led to the best economic growth ever for us, lower taxes on either side of it were amongst our worst.

I understand you're a bit of Libertarian; fiscally conservative and socially liberal, which is why you don't want to discuss the tax issue. Most people are lifetime ideologues, I'm used to dealing with it. Remember, if you can't explain something and refuse to try, you might just be wrong.

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And it was an honest just-not-seeing-it that caused me to question betterment -- I really didn't see it. You'll notice I did call it a typo, which I hope makes it pretty clear that I didn't think it was ignorance. I make plenty of typos too, and I'm sure some of them render my point unintelligible.

Wendy P.

Oh brother, whatever. That sounds like you know what, but I'm not here to discuss spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc. Wendy, show me a major federal tax cut, just one for starters that has led to overall better economic times. Go 100 years if you wish, I find it more relevant to go post WWII as pre doesn't really reflect a fair comparison to the 65 years past WWII therefore is contemporarily irrelevant. So show me one and we can go from there. I've seen you lay good args, what's the problem here?

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It's typical for moronic American voters to rebel againstthe party in power. Sure the R's will gain seats, this tax isssue could be the pickle that doesn't give them the majority in either house.

Again, the youth will turnout and vote Obama in 2012, and they will also vote D for all congressional positions, so whatever happens here will be temporary.

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No, it's true for all humans to vote against the party in power when life sucks.

I know you're not big on history, or math apparently, but the newly elected pres has only added seats twice in the last I believe 100 years in his first midterm, GWB and FDR. So it is history which makes it a given, not otehr things.

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How do you think a inexperienced black man won for the first time?

Well at least we can put to rest the question of you being a racist or not. As for inexperienced, 10 years as a law const teacher, pres of the Harvard law review, US Senator, etc. Yea, that's nothing at all, esp compared to the garabge you vote for:

- Reagan: war coward, governor, bad actor

- GWB: war coward, deserter, moron that fucked up every business he encountered

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in 2012, if those kids are still unemployed, they're not going to vote at all. Typical turnout for the 18-29 group (ie, low) will return.

Right, to elect a WASP maggot who wants to revoke whatever college beenfits they might have and send them to war. Nice try.

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And that's when you start to have a recovery..

You won't see a recovery until the massive uncertainty being injected into our life by Obama and the Democratic Congress ceases. American businesses are sitting on $1.8T in cash (the largest ever in our country's history) because they don't know how much more Obama is going to want to take when they try to spend it.

We are all engines of karma

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The problem with picking eras is that there are so many variables, it's hard to say that any single one caused an upswing or downturn.

yes. Lucky doesn't get that the 40-60s had limitations on debt issuance that doesn't exist now (Gold Standard), as well as a Social Security that wasn't subsidizing the deficit the tune of 9 figures each year.

Einstein, the US abandond the Gold Standard in 1933 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

And with high taxes, debt wsn't an issue in teh 40's to the 60's, it only became an issue when taxes were lowered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MarginalIncomeTax.svg

So the 40's 60's are the years when taxes have been the highest in the US ever, so you've made my argument once again. High taxes, no debt problems, plenty of money for nuclear buildup, Korean War, Cold War, etc. You really have just reinforced my argument that high taxes fix things and still allow for massive spending. Now I would like high taxes and limited military spending so we could pay down the debt.

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i repeat my assertion , libs who favor raising taxes NEVER pre empt them !

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What will be funny is the flip in the liberal way of thinking when "certain strategys" are used to pass bills that are being fillibustered by the minority group.

Don't worry. The Republicans still hold the record for threatened filibusters. The Dems will never even come close. Just like Earmarks
DOH!

And that's from their fringe site too.

Reconcilliation by party:

We find that there have been 22 reconciliation votes, 14 of them by a Republican-controlled Congress, and that it makes more sense -- in light of the debate over making an end-run around the 60-vote threshold -- to focus on the reconciliation bills that passed without a supermajority. But even then, Republicans have reached for reconciliation bills more often than Democrats since 1981. We rule Reid's comment True.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/feb/25/harry-reid/reid-says-repblicans-have-used-reconciliation-more/

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i repeat my assertion , libs who favor raising taxes NEVER pre empt them !

Whatever you do, don't actually address an issue. I feel safe with that.

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you feel it slippin don't ya.........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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you feel it slippin don't ya.........

Naw, when the kids come out in 2012 we will have seats back that are lost in 2010 along with retention of the WH. Probably a seat or two in SCOTUS as well.

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The problem with picking eras is that there are so many variables, it's hard to say that any single one caused an upswing or downturn.

yes. Lucky doesn't get that the 40-60s had limitations on debt issuance that doesn't exist now (Gold Standard), as well as a Social Security that wasn't subsidizing the deficit the tune of 9 figures each year.

Einstein, the US abandond the Gold Standard in 1933 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

and once again Lucky screws the pooch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock

Keep the the optimism for 2012. You sound like a Cub fan say "wait till next year." Except that the baseball season is still in May.

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The problem with picking eras is that there are so many variables, it's hard to say that any single one caused an upswing or downturn.

yes. Lucky doesn't get that the 40-60s had limitations on debt issuance that doesn't exist now (Gold Standard), as well as a Social Security that wasn't subsidizing the deficit the tune of 9 figures each year.

Einstein, the US abandond the Gold Standard in 1933 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

and once again Lucky screws the pooch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock

Keep the the optimism for 2012. You sound like a Cub fan say "wait till next year." Except that the baseball season is still in May.

You're still wrong, and you are the pooch in this case.

http://economics.about.com/cs/money/a/gold_standard.htm

A Very Brief History of the Gold Standard
If you would like to learn about the history of money in detail, there is an excellent site called A Comparative Chronology of Money which details the important places and dates in monetary history. During most of the 1800s the United States was had a bimetallic system of money, however it was essentially on a gold standard as very little silver was traded. A true gold standard came to fruition in 1900 with the passage of the Gold Standard Act. The gold standard effectively came to an end in 1933 when President Franklin D. Roosevelt outlawed private gold ownership (except for the purposes of jewelery). The Bretton Woods System, enacted in 1946 created a system of fixed exchange rates that allowed governments to sell their gold to the United States treasury at the price of $35/ounce. "The Bretton Woods system ended on August 15, 1971, when President Richard Nixon ended trading of gold at the fixed price of $35/ounce. At that point for the first time in history, formal links between the major world currencies and real commodities were severed". The gold standard has not been used in any major economy since that time.

The real gold standard was ended in 1933, the Bretton Woods systemn was just a way for other countries to sell gold to the US gov for $35/ounce, not a real standard.

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The problem with picking eras is that there are so many variables, it's hard to say that any single one caused an upswing or downturn.

yes. Lucky doesn't get that the 40-60s had limitations on debt issuance that doesn't exist now (Gold Standard), as well as a Social Security that wasn't subsidizing the deficit the tune of 9 figures each year.

Einstein, the US abandond the Gold Standard in 1933 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

and once again Lucky screws the pooch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock

Keep the the optimism for 2012. You sound like a Cub fan say "wait till next year." Except that the baseball season is still in May.

Since you're gonna deny your ass off and never admit error, here is a better explanation:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-gold.htm

After the Great Depression struck, the world wasted little time severing its ties to gold. Britain left the gold standard in 1931, as did the U.S. in 1933. By 1937, not a single country remained on the gold standard. After World War II, the U.S. partially restored the gold standard for international trade. And to prevent citizens from bank panics, it made its currency inconvertible at home. In 1971, a diminishing gold supply and growing deficits caused the U.S. to suspend the gold standard even for international trade. Ever since, international trade has been based solely on the dollar and other paper currencies. Today, there are no mainstream economists who call for a return to the gold standard; it is widely regarded as a fringe idea of the radical right.


So there it is, a partial international gold standard was instituted, not a true gold standard as you claim. As for the article's, "fringe right" they're referring to you and yours I assume.

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we're probably more tied to an enriched uranium standard !

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Ideologues never change their positions.

Which is why nobody answers you anymore.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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What will be funny is the flip in the liberal way of thinking when "certain strategys" are used to pass bills that are being fillibustered by the minority group.

Don't worry. The Republicans still hold the record for threatened filibusters. The Dems will never even come close. Just like Earmarks
DOH!

"Despite pledges from President Obama and congressional leaders to curtail earmark spending, the practice has continued at previous levels. "

From the 2010 Pig Book:
Dems: 5070 record(s) for a total of $5,048,602,943
Reps: 2207 record(s) for a total of $2,639,932,600

You were saying?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Ideologues never change their positions.

Which is why nobody answers you anymore.

I've voted for both parties and an indep, you, well, pure ideolouge RW style. Great point, Mikeepoo.

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What will be funny is the flip in the liberal way of thinking when "certain strategys" are used to pass bills that are being fillibustered by the minority group.

Don't worry. The Republicans still hold the record for threatened filibusters. The Dems will never even come close. Just like Earmarks
DOH!

"Despite pledges from President Obama and congressional leaders to curtail earmark spending, the practice has continued at previous levels. "

From the 2010 Pig Book:
Dems: 5070 record(s) for a total of $5,048,602,943
Reps: 2207 record(s) for a total of $2,639,932,600

You were saying?

It would be too much to ask for a citation I'm sure, it would take honesty to post that.

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It's typical for moronic American voters to rebel against the party in power. Sure the R's will gain seats, this tax issue could be the pickle that doesn't give them the majority in either house.

Moronic Americans. This is the attitude that is going to loose the house and senate to the GOP next month. The liberals of America talking down to the average person.

Here is my favorite poll. If the election was held again today, Bush would win

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=11604

Do you miss him yet? His numbers seem to be improving under the Obama Regime...

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

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It's typical for moronic American voters to rebel against the party in power. Sure the R's will gain seats, this tax issue could be the pickle that doesn't give them the majority in either house.

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Moronic Americans. This is the attitude that is going to loose the house and senate to the GOP next month. The liberals of America talking down to the average person.

Just because I own that opinion doesn't mean the DNC does. We will lose seats, it's almost an automatic.

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Here is my favorite poll. If the election was held again today, Bush would win

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=11604

You gotta be joking me, this isn't even as reliable as a RW rag, this is a guy with a site and his biased BS and you find it noteworthy????

…I am a thirty something radiologist and entrepreneur, living in the Central Ohio. I am married with two children. I consider myself a conservative, though I am moderate (or Libertarian) on many inssues. I think I am more a pragmatist that an idealogue, but certainly I can sometimes be idealistic.

What a joke.

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Do you miss him yet? His numbers seem to be improving under the Obama Regime...

Why do I waste my time discussing grown up issues with a person who references fringe BS and considers them mainstream?

As time has gone fwd GWB has fallen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

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It's typical for moronic American voters to rebel against the party in power. Sure the R's will gain seats, this tax issue could be the pickle that doesn't give them the majority in either house.

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Moronic Americans. This is the attitude that is going to loose the house and senate to the GOP next month. The liberals of America talking down to the average person.

Just because I own that opinion doesn't mean the DNC does. We will lose seats, it's almost an automatic.

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Here is my favorite poll. If the election was held again today, Bush would win

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=11604

You gotta be joking me, this isn't even as reliable as a RW rag, this is a guy with a site and his biased BS and you find it noteworthy????

…I am a thirty something radiologist and entrepreneur, living in the Central Ohio. I am married with two children. I consider myself a conservative, though I am moderate (or Libertarian) on many inssues. I think I am more a pragmatist that an idealogue, but certainly I can sometimes be idealistic.

What a joke.

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Do you miss him yet? His numbers seem to be improving under the Obama Regime...

Why do I waste my time discussing grown up issues with a person who references fringe BS and considers them mainstream?

As time has gone fwd GWB has fallen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Dude
You are so far left the main stream looks extreme right to you

sheeesh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Exactly, this allows you an escape from having to SHOW US ONE FUCKING MAJOR FED TAX CUT THAT HAS HELPED.[\reply]

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Helped what? Helped me? Helped my employees? Helped my retirement? Helped the poor? Helped the deficit?

"Helped what?" I've asked you that before and you didn't answer it. And your failure to comprehend that help for one implicates harm for another demonstrates the rampant confusion that you have between subjective feeling and objective reality.

I've phrased teh question a million times. Here we go again. No, not helped the rich, fascist pigs, but helped the poor, the MC, the middle-upper class. Lowered the debt or at least stopped the increase. In general, overall economic betterment is the best way to state it. So let me hear your abstract BS like, 'It ehlped therich, they hired people, bal, bullshit, bla.

After a maj fed tax cut, show me where, in most/all areas of the economy, indicators as well, were benefitted by the cut. I hope that clears it up, I'm sure it won't so you will continue to run.

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So, yet again, I've asked you what you mean by "HELPED" and you have refused to answer. Perhaps because it is easier for you to call them Republiturds than to actually think and support your positions.

I didn't address your post from yessterday @ 2 pm, a few hours ago and you're doing the victory dance? What a joke. I addressed this question I line up, if you need more clarification I can go even further. Basic economic indicators are here but not limitied to:

- Deficit

- Debt

- income

- GDP

- Unemp rate

- Market performance (sustained)

- Ability to go to college

- Overall helthcare availability

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Just admit that higher taxes help destroy the upper and middle classes because they remove incentive for improving one's position and keep the poor poor.

Higher taxes increase growth, keep the debt down and demand reinvestment over profit taking, that is determinable by objective data, yours is a flowery pile of shit that is just opinion-based.

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And what you want is equal misery for all. How dare someone actually do exceptionally well in this country?

No, I want that when you and your lawfirm grosses 2M in a given year that you either reinvest a lot of it, expanding, hiring people, etc or give it to the gov so they can. You want to profit take and suck teh blood out of it then throw it away.

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It's typical for moronic American voters to rebel against the party in power. Sure the R's will gain seats, this tax issue could be the pickle that doesn't give them the majority in either house.

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Moronic Americans. This is the attitude that is going to loose the house and senate to the GOP next month. The liberals of America talking down to the average person.

Just because I own that opinion doesn't mean the DNC does. We will lose seats, it's almost an automatic.

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Here is my favorite poll. If the election was held again today, Bush would win

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=11604

You gotta be joking me, this isn't even as reliable as a RW rag, this is a guy with a site and his biased BS and you find it noteworthy????

…I am a thirty something radiologist and entrepreneur, living in the Central Ohio. I am married with two children. I consider myself a conservative, though I am moderate (or Libertarian) on many inssues. I think I am more a pragmatist that an idealogue, but certainly I can sometimes be idealistic.

What a joke.

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Do you miss him yet? His numbers seem to be improving under the Obama Regime...

Why do I waste my time discussing grown up issues with a person who references fringe BS and considers them mainstream?

As time has gone fwd GWB has fallen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

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You are so far left the main stream looks extreme right to you

sheeesh

Thx for the 1-liner, the world is a better place for it.

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It's typical for moronic American voters to rebel against the party in power. Sure the R's will gain seats, this tax issue could be the pickle that doesn't give them the majority in either house.

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Moronic Americans. This is the attitude that is going to loose the house and senate to the GOP next month. The liberals of America talking down to the average person.

Just because I own that opinion doesn't mean the DNC does. We will lose seats, it's almost an automatic.

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Here is my favorite poll. If the election was held again today, Bush would win

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=11604

You gotta be joking me, this isn't even as reliable as a RW rag, this is a guy with a site and his biased BS and you find it noteworthy????

…I am a thirty something radiologist and entrepreneur, living in the Central Ohio. I am married with two children. I consider myself a conservative, though I am moderate (or Libertarian) on many inssues. I think I am more a pragmatist that an idealogue, but certainly I can sometimes be idealistic.

What a joke.

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Do you miss him yet? His numbers seem to be improving under the Obama Regime...

Why do I waste my time discussing grown up issues with a person who references fringe BS and considers them mainstream?

As time has gone fwd GWB has fallen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Dude
You are so far left the main stream looks extreme right to you

sheeesh

Thx for the 1-liner, the world is a better place for it.

Sorry
Truth hurt?

But your views are so extreme they are not worth replying to

Not working again today?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln