Iraq Veteran Stripped of Rights

[Kennedy 0]

I've asked several anti-gun posters, who claim they support the right of everyone except felons and loonies to own a gun, just how they define "loony." I specifically asked them if things like visiting a shrink, taking prescribed antidepressants, or vets with PTSD were "loonies" to them. None ever answered. At least we know where the VA stands on the issue.

http://www.kfsm.com/news/kfsm-news-rv-iraq-veteran-stripped-of-second-amendment-rights,0,1708919.story

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Iraq Veteran Stripped of Rights
5:48 PM CDT, September 3, 2010

Sgt. Wayne Irelan re-enlisted in the Army National Guard after September 11th.

He was severely injured in Iraq and awarded the Purple Heart. But now his second amendment rights have been taken away.

"I really feel betrayed," Sgt. Irelan told 5NEWS.

A year ago the Irelan's began receiving a small stipend from Veterans Affairs because Lana had to take over the family's finances.

"How many husbands do you know in America that pay the bills? There's not very many," Lana Irelan told 5NEWS.

The V.A. declared Wayne Irelan incompetent and now his right to own a gun is gone.

"It's wrong. Laws need to be changed. They need to look at individuals and not stereotype them as some sort of mad man," Sgt. Irelan said.

Irelan has post traumatic stress disorder from the Iraq war, but his wife says he has never been violent. Lana Irelan told 5NEWS his diagnosis is not a legitimate reason for his gun rights to be taken away.

"I was there when they gave him his purple heart for fighting for that right to bear arms, and they are stripping it away," Lana said, her eyes tearing up.

The couple didn't know Wayne's gun rights had been terminated until they went to get a gun out of pawn. Days later Wayne got a letter from the Arkansas State Police saying his concealed carry permit had been revoked. The ATF has told the Irelans that they could go to jail if a firearm is found in their home.

The Irelans say they will fight not only for Wayne's rights but for veterans and all Americans to ensure their constitutional rights.

Although not yet familiar with the Irelans' situation, Congressman John Boozman called this an injustice and promised to look into it.

"I'm very upset and will do all I can do to make sure that people with PTSD diagnosis will continue to enjoy their second amendment rights," Boozman told 5NEWS Friday afternoon.

The Irelan's have filed an appeal with the V.A. and vow to fight. Lana Irelan says she will do whatever it takes within the law to get Sgt. Irelan's gun rights restored--from contacting congressmen to telling their story via local and national media.

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[wayneflorida 0]

Is Veteran affairs required to report to the ATF veterans who seek assisitance? Of Course according to Janet of HS all former Military members are potenial terroists.

[jclalor 12]

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Is Veteran affairs required to report to the ATF veterans who seek assisitance? Of Course according to Janet of HS all former Military members are potenial terroists.

WTF?.........

[RonD1120 62]

I am wondering how this VA position is effecting Vietnam Vets with PTSD. Most all the ones I know are and have been well armed.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Is Veteran affairs required to report to the ATF veterans who seek assisitance? Of Course according to Janet [Napolitano] of HS [Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security], all former Military members are potenial terroists.

Cite, please.

[RonD1120 62]

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Is Veteran affairs required to report to the ATF veterans who seek assisitance? Of Course according to Janet [Napolitano] of HS [Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security], all former Military members are potenial terroists.

Cite, please.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3732

See point #3.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jclalor 12]

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Is Veteran affairs required to report to the ATF veterans who seek assisitance? Of Course according to Janet [Napolitano] of HS [Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security], all former Military members are potenial terroists.

Cite, please.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3732

See point #3.

3) Returning military veterans may resort to domestic terrorism. Right wingers may “recruit” combat veterans “to boost their violent capabilities.”

Point 3 says nothing about "all" former military being potential terrorist.

[Lucky... 0]

It's preemptory. It sucks, but iff he kills 50 people at a mall, that sucks too. Everyone is just running scared with liability so the safe thing to do is to yank his guns and if he get em on his own, that's on him. It's all about the piles of paperwork.

[RonD1120 62]

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Is Veteran affairs required to report to the ATF veterans who seek assisitance? Of Course according to Janet [Napolitano] of HS [Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security], all former Military members are potenial terroists.

Cite, please.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3732

See point #3.

3) Returning military veterans may resort to domestic terrorism. Right wingers may “recruit” combat veterans “to boost their violent capabilities.”

Point 3 says nothing about "all" former military being potential terrorist.

Semantic hair splitting, or am I missing your point?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[turtlespeed 226]

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It's preemptory. It sucks, but iff he kills 50 people at a mall, that sucks too. Everyone is just running scared with liability so the safe thing to do is to yank his guns and if he get em on his own, that's on him. It's all about the piles of paperwork.

Coming from you , this doesn't surprise me.

Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

It would suck if someone got killed because of them, better to be safe than have a bill of rights.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Andy9o8 2]

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Is Veteran affairs required to report to the ATF veterans who seek assisitance? Of Course according to Janet [Napolitano] of HS [Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security], all former Military members are potenial terroists.

Cite, please.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3732

See point #3.

3) Returning military veterans may resort to domestic terrorism. Right wingers may “recruit” combat veterans “to boost their violent capabilities.”

Point 3 says nothing about "all" former military being potential terrorist.

Semantic hair splitting, or am I missing your point?

The quote was deliberately altered in the article to make it sound "worse." The report did not say "Returning military veterans may resort to domestic terrorism." "
The actual quote from the report is:

"Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it says. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities."

No, it's not semantic hair-splitting; and yes, you're missing (well, evading and twisting) the point. The report says what it says. The spin-doctoring comes in when trying to paint Napolitano and/or DHS as considering all veterans as potential terrorists.

[billvon 3,116]

>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

[turtlespeed 226]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

Do you think Lucky will be happy with that? We all do need to appease his Luckyness.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jakee 1,595]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

No way dude. Once we get you in there we're throwing away the key. Game over for you and all your magic friends.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[turtlespeed 226]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

No way dude. Once we get you in there we're throwing away the key. Game over for you and all your magic friends.

Maybe you could put us in ovens then?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Lucky... 0]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

Do you think Lucky will be happy with that? We all do need to appease his Luckyness.

Get over your obsession with me.

[turtlespeed 226]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

Do you think Lucky will be happy with that? We all do need to appease his Luckyness.

Get over your obsession with me.

Don't flatter yourself.
Nothin personl, It's your ideals that I am convinced are unrealistic.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jakee 1,595]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

No way dude. Once we get you in there we're throwing away the key. Game over for you and all your magic friends.

Maybe you cold put us in ovens then?

Cold ovens? That would sorta defeat the point.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[turtlespeed 226]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

No way dude. Once we get you in there we're throwing away the key. Game over for you and all your magic friends.

Maybe you could put us in ovens then?

Cold ovens? That would sorta defeat the point.

Never said you were the smartest group of people did I?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[RonD1120 62]

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Semantic hair splitting, or am I missing your point?

The quote was deliberately altered in the article to make it sound "worse." The report did not say "Returning military veterans may resort to domestic terrorism." "
The actual quote from the report is:

"Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it says. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities."

No, it's not semantic hair-splitting; and yes, you're missing (well, evading and twisting) the point. The report says what it says. The spin-doctoring comes in when trying to paint Napolitano and/or DHS as considering all veterans as potential terrorists.

[kelpdiver 2]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guaranteed? The red regimes in the USSR, China, prove otherwise.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Maybe you could put us in ovens then?

http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zturtle1.html

[billvon 3,116]

>Guaranteed? The red regimes in the USSR, China, prove otherwise.

?? Since when are they killing people in the name of God?

[Lucky... 0]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

Do you think Lucky will be happy with that? We all do need to appease his Luckyness.

Get over your obsession with me.

Don't flatter yourself.
Nothin personl, It's your ideals that I am convinced are unrealistic.

Which are those, that tax cuts are disasterous? Hmmm, you have yet to provide 1 maj fed tax cut that has shown beneficial to the masses, the system. I have provided and will again major tax cuts that led to immediate disaster and shown tax increases that led to success.

[Lucky... 0]

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>Why don't they just take all the guns away from all islamic americans.

I like it! Although "all religious americans" would make more sense; about the only group pretty much guaranteed to not kill anyone in the name of God are the atheists.

Guns for atheists!

Correct you are sir!

Now what we have to do now is to jail anyone that is not an athiest, then after we arm only the athiests, we can let the religious out of the concentration camps.

No way dude. Once we get you in there we're throwing away the key. Game over for you and all your magic friends.

Maybe you could put us in ovens then?

Cold ovens? That would sorta defeat the point.

Never said you were the smartest group of people did I?

That's laughable, a neo-con trying to infer a liberal is a Nazi. Rememeber, we're the Commies, you gusy are the Nazis.