kelpdiver 2 #26 September 5, 2010 Quote Quote So no freedom to choose your religion in your ideal world, eh? Hardly anyone every chooses to be Catholic... Every one of them does in America. And in the rest of the world, the conquistidores are gone. I choose not to be a Catholic; so can they. Bottom line - there are 2B Christians, half are Catholic and the Pope represents them. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #27 September 5, 2010 Quote Quote Quote So no freedom to choose your religion in your ideal world, eh? Hardly anyone every chooses to be Catholic... Every one of them does in America. And in the rest of the world, the conquistidores are gone. I choose not to be a Catholic; so can they. Bottom line - there are 2B Christians, half are Catholic and the Pope represents them. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant. If you are baptised into the Catholic faith as an infant, you are Catholic wether you like or not...untill THEY say you are not...then damn you to hell!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 September 5, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If 'they' want him here, let the Rich Catholic church pay the FULL amount. +1 + billions of dollars Their useless indugences should be able to pay for it all...It sickens me that every year my family gives these crooks money for a mass that's supposed to get my dead grandmother closer to heaven... I mean c'mon...our belifs are hard enough to swallow without the Catholic World Theocracy adding their mumbo Jumbo to it all... Thank God Catholocism is a religion based on ignorance of their own beliefs...it means real Catholoics can still be true brothers! I've met a few Roman Catholics that were actually Christians. That is they read the Holy Bible all by themselves and pray in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. They attend RC Mass out of tradition, good folks. I've never met a Catholic who didn't consider themselves to be a Christian. You post sounds very judgemental, who are you to say if somone is a Christian or not?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #29 September 5, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteas a visiting head of state (which is what I believe he is treated as), should he not receive the same security provision as any other head of state? No. Although it's by a 1929 international treaty (recognizing Vatican City as a sovereign state), it's a modern-day joke that the Pope is accorded head of state status. He's essentially the mayor of a small town of about 110 acres, with about 800 residents, about 500 of whom are classified as citizens. Put another way, he's like the dean of a small college-sized church campus. please. The Pope is the most significant religious leader on the planet, represents the largest of the Christian sects, with over a billion members. To ignore its history in Europe over the past 2000 years is also silly. Economically, it's probably foolish to complain about this expense, as it should generate a considerable amount of tourist activity. The pope certainly is worth more than a visit from the American President, for example. I agree with your points. Although the vatican is small in size (I'll find out exactly how small when I visit it next friday) the Catholic 'nation' is larger than the population of the USA. The UK will most definaty make its money on the visit.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #30 September 5, 2010 Quote I think the best thing the Catholic Church could do is change the Mass to preaching and teaching an understanding of the Bible similar to that of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. How true, I haven't thought about Bishop Sheen in years. He was a very good teacher with an ecumenical perspective. Now days, the ecumenical movement is viewed critically by some evangelicals.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #31 September 5, 2010 Quote I've never met a Catholic who didn't consider themselves to be a Christian. You post sounds very judgemental, who are you to say if somone is a Christian or not? Only God can truly know the heart of any person. We can only listen to their profession of faith and observe their behavior. One clue for me is to whom they direct their prayer.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #32 September 5, 2010 You sound like a Jihadist. Your post sounds like that of a religious exremist full of hate. Like one of those murdering suicide bombers in Pakistan or Iraq who walk into a Shiite mosque and detonate themselves to rid the world of those fellow muslims they see as heratics and apostates. I live in a Catholic country and while there have been members of the system who have committed crimes against the community and the church there are also pleanty of good honest Catholics who live a wholesome Christian life. Doesn't Christ teach us to hate the crime not the criminal? Who are you to judge millions of Catholics? All around me in my comunity in Ireland I see Catholic Christians raising money for flood victims, the homeless, orphans, suffering animals etc they give also their time and compassion. They are driven in many cases by their faith. Do I believe that the Catholic church has got it right? No. But neither has any other Church or religion, and none ever will because they are made of humans and we are all fallible. Religious hatred is ugly in any form, yours included.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #33 September 5, 2010 QuoteQuoteI've never met a Catholic who didn't consider themselves to be a Christian. You post sounds very judgemental, who are you to say if somone is a Christian or not? Only God can truly know the heart of any person. We can only listen to their profession of faith and observe their behavior. One clue for me is to whom they direct their prayer. Ah, yes, the old "praying to saints, praying to statues" argument. Catholic Christians and non-Catholic Christians have engaged in spin-doctoring about each other's beliefs and practices since at least the Reformation. Yours is one of the more often-used talking points in that genre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #34 September 5, 2010 OK!Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #35 September 5, 2010 Quote Quote I think the best thing the Catholic Church could do is change the Mass to preaching and teaching an understanding of the Bible similar to that of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. How true, I haven't thought about Bishop Sheen in years. He was a very good teacher with an ecumenical perspective. Now days, the ecumenical movement is viewed critically by some evangelicals. That would be an ecumenical matter!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #36 September 5, 2010 QuoteThis system is the epitomy of evil... I know, cause I was there....I've seen it. Saigon. Shit, I'm still only in Saigon...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #37 September 5, 2010 Quote Quote Quote I think the best thing the Catholic Church could do is change the Mass to preaching and teaching an understanding of the Bible similar to that of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. How true, I haven't thought about Bishop Sheen in years. He was a very good teacher with an ecumenical perspective. Now days, the ecumenical movement is viewed critically by some evangelicals. That would be an ecumenical matter! "This video contains content from MyVideoRights, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds" Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 September 5, 2010 QuoteF.T.P If 'they' want him here, let the Rich Catholic church pay the FULL amount. We'll just take that out of the charitable contributions the Church makes in the UK then, shall we?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #39 September 5, 2010 Quote You sound like a Jihadist. Except my methods of destruction don't include violence...only the Word of God...but then again, I could be lying...maybe I'm part of a secret society who's insigna is located on the dollar bill who's choice of weapon is anti-matter that will be used to destroy the Vatican...Our top priority now is to destroy famous symbologist Robert Langdon who has figured us out. Quote Who are you to judge millions of Catholics? I'm not, and I don't...Most of my family is Catholic...I love Catholics...They are some of the best people I've ever met. My problem is with the authority.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #40 September 5, 2010 Quote Saigon. Shit, I'm still only in Saigon... This is the end...my only friend. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #41 September 5, 2010 Quote Quote If 'they' want him here, let the Rich Catholic church pay the FULL amount. Maybe there is another way to look at this; How much would the UK need to pay him not to come? Just take the alterboys away.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #42 September 6, 2010 Quote Quote F.T.P If 'they' want him here, let the Rich Catholic church pay the FULL amount. We'll just take that out of the charitable contributions the Church makes in the UK then, shall we?official> It may be an interesting point IF the net benefit was towards the U,K and not the R.C Bank... not sure, I don't have the facts.. BUT we are most definitely NOT an RC country and thus the Pope means little or nothing to the vast majority of our population. To expect us to stump up for his trip when he is more than capable of funding it from their stock of nazi gold, is nothing short of a crime in my book. P.S Tolerance is not my middle name (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 617 #43 September 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote F.T.P If 'they' want him here, let the Rich Catholic church pay the FULL amount. We'll just take that out of the charitable contributions the Church makes in the UK then, shall we?official> It may be an interesting point IF the net benefit was towards the U,K and not the R.C Bank... not sure, I don't have the facts.. BUT we are most definitely NOT an RC country and thus the Pope means little or nothing to the vast majority of our population. To expect us to stump up for his trip when he is more than capable of funding it from their stock of nazi gold, is nothing short of a crime in my book. P.S Tolerance is not my middle name Maybe Tony and Cherie could foot the billExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #44 September 7, 2010 This made me laugh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
