SkyDekker 1,465 #51 September 7, 2010 QuoteThat intel was better in retrospect, kind of like saying (after someone happened to throw 5 heads in a row) "I knew I should have bet on the coin." If we were to act on every equally credible combination of intel as they happened, we'd be all over the place, and the combinations would be endless. the question was: "He let them?" The answer is: he was told of the threat and did nothing, so yes, he let them. Then there are the excuses for the inaction, some are valid, some are clear mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #52 September 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteThat intel was better in retrospect, kind of like saying (after someone happened to throw 5 heads in a row) "I knew I should have bet on the coin." If we were to act on every equally credible combination of intel as they happened, we'd be all over the place, and the combinations would be endless. the question was: "He let them?" The answer is: he was told of the threat and did nothing, so yes, he let them. Then there are the excuses for the inaction, some are valid, some are clear mistakes. So you are telling me that he had personal knowledge of the terrorists boarding the planes that did the damage before hand?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #53 September 7, 2010 No, I'm telling you he likes to make out and hold hands with Saudi princes like they were his gay lover. But that you are right and that bowing is significantly worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #54 September 7, 2010 9/11 revisited , my major complaint about that day is it personified the feminising of the american male , the exception being the todd beemer flight . they had some prior knowledge that made their decision to man up more urgent . previous policy and conventional wisdom had hijackees being submissive , then sorting it out at the destination . that philosophy works fine when the pilots remain at the controls . as soon as the dead crew is unceremoniously dumped out of the cockpit , submissiveness should be out the window. if our men weren't so feminised all the hijack flights could have staved off the ultimate intentions of the practcers of the peaceful religion . white it's true that nobody knows what they'll do in a certain unique situation , i've risked my life for others enough to know i would have made huge problems for the 9/11 hijackers . i just don't know if i could have persuaded any other men to man up ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 September 7, 2010 QuoteNo, I'm telling you he likes to make out and hold hands with Saudi princes like they were his gay lover. But that you are right and that bowing is significantly worse. I see. Well, you are half right.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,603 #56 September 7, 2010 Quote personified the feminising of the american male Yeah, being like a woman is just about the worst thing there is, isn't it Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #57 September 7, 2010 Quote Quote personified the feminising of the american male Yeah, being like a woman is just about the worst thing there is, isn't it Wendy P. Depends on the woman.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #58 September 8, 2010 Quote Quote personified the feminising of the american male Yeah, being like a woman is just about the worst thing there is, isn't it Wendy P. wendy p. i am disappointed , is that all you got out of my rant ? is chivalry dead ? would you do me a large favor and try again ? unless that was a potstir , in that case well done ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #59 September 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote personified the feminising of the american male Yeah, being like a woman is just about the worst thing there is, isn't it Wendy P. wendy p. i am disappointed , is that all you got out of my rant ? is chivalry dead ? would you do me a large favor and try again ? unless that was a potstir , in that case well done ! No really; it's OK. Your logic is so simple, even a caveman could understand it. Attaboy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #60 September 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote personified the feminising of the american male Yeah, being like a woman is just about the worst thing there is, isn't it Wendy P. wendy p. i am disappointed , is that all you got out of my rant ? is chivalry dead ? would you do me a large favor and try again ? unless that was a potstir , in that case well done ! No really; it's OK. Your logic is so simple, even a caveman could understand it. Attaboy. i can't really tell the tone of your reply it could be taken as a compliment , or an insultso thank you !mainly wendy's reply is being solicited ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #61 September 8, 2010 http://rlv.zcache.com/blogging_so_easy_even_a_caveman_can_do_it_poster-p228625947512517874t5wm_400.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #62 September 8, 2010 now your tone is quite evident , so evident.......note to selfandy not friendly ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,603 #63 September 8, 2010 No one has to respond to all of any post -- it pretty much happens all the time that people only reply to what they feel like. That said, conventional wisdom is usually based on doing what is likely to work most of the time. So yeah, conventional wisdom said not to do anything, and it was wrong in this case. But I'll continue to say that the intel that came in prior to 9/11 was probably not sufficient to take any real action on. In retrospect there was enough, but, again, taken in the context of what was available at the time it would have been a clairvoyant task to pick out the important pieces from all of the unimportant ones. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #64 September 8, 2010 QuoteNo one has to respond to all of any post -- it pretty much happens all the time that people only reply to what they feel like.That said, conventional wisdom is usually based on doing what is likely to work most of the time. So yeah, conventional wisdom said not to do anything, and it was wrong in this case.But I'll continue to say that the intel that came in prior to 9/11 was probably not sufficient to take any real action on. In retrospect there was enough, but, again, taken in the context of what was available at the time it would have been a clairvoyant task to pick out the important pieces from all of the unimportant ones.Wendy P.you did me a large favor , thanks , i identify with your reply ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
