El Zanati (the man behind the man) gave money to HLF Foundation

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http://www.nefafoundation.org/hlfdocs.html

The HLF Foundation was shut down in 2008. It was the largest Muslim "charity" organization in the US. Five of its leaders were convicted of providing material support directly to Hamas.

As a result of the HLF trail. They also found direct links between the Council of American-Islamic Relations and Hamas . These dudes worked with terrorists while working with the FBI.

Now, if El Zanati knew what this organization was really about. It changes everything as far as religious freedom goes. He may even go to jail. Now they will also dig deeper into El Gamal as well. Where did all his money come from?

While everyone else is reporting on the religious angle. A local reporter here on Ch. 5, has been digging into El Zanati. Nothing on the web yet. It was just on the evening news.

Dom

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He gave money (allegedly) to the HLF, not to Hamas.

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[dgskydive 0]

HLF is (was) a terrorist organization so he will now be investigated.

It's not an allegation, it is fact. There is a paper trail AND he admitted it.

Keep defending him though. Just shows that you don't want to see the truth that is starting to come out.

Dom

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You are quite wrong, I do want to see the truth come out. The difference is that I'm taking an objective stance on this. If the man in question has knowingly supported terrorism then he is an inappropriate source of funding for Park 52. Did he know where his money was going? Until 2007 the HLF operated openly in the USA and was allowed to operate by the US Government.
However I start from the premis that one is innocent until proven guilty. You it seems start from guilty until proven innocent makinging your view bias and subjective to your predjudices.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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You are quite wrong, I do want to see the truth come out. The difference is that I'm taking an objective stance on this. If the man in question has knowingly supported terrorism then he is an inappropriate source of funding for Park 52. Did he know where his money was going? Until 2007 the HLF operated openly in the USA and was allowed to operate by the US Government.
However I start from the premis that one is innocent until proven guilty. You it seems start from guilty until proven innocent makinging your view bias and subjective to your predjudices.

Turn a blind eye if you wish . . .

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You're the one wearing dark glasses.

Interesting article

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/blogs/editors_corner/what-are-the-ground-zero-protests-really-about-heres-a-clue-its-not-a-mosque-p69768.html

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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You're the one wearing dark glasses.

Interesting article

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/blogs/editors_corner/what-are-the-ground-zero-protests-really-about-heres-a-clue-its-not-a-mosque-p69768.html

As opposed to your Rose Colored Glasses?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ8mlC3mWW4

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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EEWWW.. Gay cowboy music. Not my bag, dear heart.

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[rushmc 23]

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EEWWW.. Gay cowboy music. Not my bag, dear heart.

But the lyrics are so right on

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Interesting article

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/...a-mosque-p69768.html

It is a Mosque. They called it that from the beginning. Then they changed it to a community center after people got upset. If you paint a pig blue, it is still a pig.

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Until 2007 the HLF operated openly in the USA and was allowed to operate by the US Government.

Does it matter how long they operated in the US? Bottom line, they were DIRECTLY funding Hamas. Why would you try to sugar coat that? It has been proven and they have been sent to jail and the Terrorist Organization was shut down.


I never said he was guilty of anything. In fact. If you read my post. I said "if" he knew what this organization was about then he is in big trouble.

My opinion is that he and the El Gamal guy are shady and this whole thing stinks. I will keep saying it. You can keep denying it right up until they take one or both of them off in handcuffs and seize the building.

Dom

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Are all of you willing to go after all the Irish Americans who have been supporting and financing a long standing religeous war for decades?

[dgskydive 0]

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Are all of you willing to go after all the Irish Americans who have been supporting and financing a long standing religeous war for decades?

Yup. terrorism is terrorism.

Dom

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HLF is (was) a terrorist organization so he will now be investigated..

So's the IRA but it doesn't stop fuckers from donating to them.... and not get shipped off in Orange Overalls to Gitmo

Still no double standards around here..... much

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Are all of you willing to go after all the Irish Americans who have been supporting and financing a long standing religeous war for decades?

Yup. terrorism is terrorism.

Excellent, let me start looking for the posts made in this forum against the American support and funding of the religous war in Ireland....

not that many out there....none by you either.

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EEWWW.. Gay cowboy music.

Can you please be tolerant. Gay cowboys have rights as well. You should really not use that kind of language. Not very PC of you.

Dom

[normiss 897]

OMG.
I'm a terrorist by association!!!!!

[dgskydive 0]

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Excellent, let me start looking for the posts made in this forum against the overwhleming American support and funding of the religeous war in Ireland....

You probably wont find any since the IRA is not trying to blow up America landmark by landmark. But I will chip in and say how bad they are for killing innocent women and children on their way to work and school with random bombing. We should arrest anyone that is found guilty of funding any terrorist organization AND shut down any business front that is providing support to them.

Dom

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OMG.
I'm a terrorist by association!!!!!

You must be Muslim

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You probably wont find any since the IRA is not trying to blow up America landmark by landmark.

Nor is HLF (or Hamas).

[normiss 897]

The IRA started as a legitimate Army (in the US actually) to defend Northern Ireland from the British oppression.
It's a shame the terrorists in Northern Ireland re-used their name following the defeat of the IRA.
But of course that was largely a religious conflict at that point wasn't it???

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Nor is HLF (or Hamas).

They are terrorist organizations. Doesnt matter who they are trying to kill. If this dude gave knowingly, you have to question his motive with the Mosque. If you dont then you are just closing your eyes and hoping that nothing bad happens.

Dom

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Interesting article

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/...a-mosque-p69768.html

It is a Mosque. They called it that from the beginning. Then they changed it to a community center after people got upset. If you paint a pig blue, it is still a pig.

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Until 2007 the HLF operated openly in the USA and was allowed to operate by the US Government.

Does it matter how long they operated in the US? Bottom line, they were DIRECTLY funding Hamas. Why would you try to sugar coat that? It has been proven and they have been sent to jail and the Terrorist Organization was shut down.


I never said he was guilty of anything. In fact. If you read my post. I said "if" he knew what this organization was about then he is in big trouble.

My opinion is that he and the El Gamal guy are shady and this whole thing stinks. I will keep saying it. You can keep denying it right up until they take one or both of them off in handcuffs and seize the building.

It was made totally clear what the Park 51 site was to be used for, its detailed in the original planing documents. I'll wait and see what the legal process decided. Your choice of a pig to illustrate your point is obvioulsy supposed to be provoacative and insulting within your limited understanding of cultural sensibilities, however it illustrates clearly your biggoted hatred and intolerance against anything or anyone Muslim.

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EEWWW.. Gay cowboy music.

Can you please be tolerant. Gay cowboys have rights as well. You should really not use that kind of language. Not very PC of you.

They have the right to make aweful music, I have the right not to listen to or like it.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Excellent, let me start looking for the posts made in this forum against the overwhleming American support and funding of the religeous war in Ireland....

You probably wont find any since the IRA is not trying to blow up America landmark by landmark. But I will chip in and say how bad they are for killing innocent women and children on their way to work and school with random bombing. We should arrest anyone that is found guilty of funding any terrorist organization AND shut down any business front that is providing support to them.

Blowing up America maybe not, but they trained FARC to continue a drugs war which is wrecking havoc on the streets of America.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Your choice of a pig to illustrate your point is obvioulsy supposed to be provoacative and insulting within your limited understanding of cultural sensibilities, however it illustrate clearly your biggoted hatred and intolerance against anything or anyone Muslim.

Actually didnt even think about using the word pig.

You can call me a biggot, say that I hate and am intolerant. It just shows that you know NOTHING about me what so ever. All the people that oppose the Mosque are asking, is for it to be built somewhere else. Nobody said DONT build one. They just asked not to build it there.

Now people are digging and finding dirt. I didn't make El Zanati give money to HLF. I didn't make El Gamal beat up and sexually assault people. They did that all on their own.

Dom