Niki1 2 #26 September 1, 2010 Quote The Jesus story claims him as THE Son of THE God,Quote This sparked a thought. Jesus is Gods son He sent to our world. Might He have sent other sons to different worlds? Maybe even a daughter? If the catholic church is right and they are His spokesmen, then Jesus has a lot of brothers and sisters.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #27 September 1, 2010 QuoteThis sparked a thought. Jesus is Gods son He sent to our world. Might He have sent other sons to different worlds? Well, you can say he did then right a book about it...wala, a new religion...it would be a cross between Mormonism and Scientology.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #28 September 1, 2010 QuoteThis sparked a thought. Jesus is Gods son He sent to our world. Might He have sent other sons to different worlds? Maybe even a daughter? If the catholic church is right and they are His spokesmen, then Jesus has a lot of brothers and sisters. The operative words are "might", "maybe" and "if." I don't think you can possibly draw an actual conclusion from that; only a speculative one.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maadmax 0 #29 September 1, 2010 QuoteAs whenever anything from the Old Testament is mentioned we hear time and time again 'Oh, yea, well thats in the Old Testament' like it doesn't count. Yet the Ten comandments are in the Old Testament and they are still a cornerstone of Christian belief... Arn't they? So whys the deal? Is the Old Testament written off by the New Testament in which case why not detach it from the Bible and just call the New Testament the Bible. Or, is it still valid and therefore Christians are doing a pick and pick as they see fit? Ya can't have it both ways boys and girls... Can you? I, as a Christian, see the Old Testament writings and the Jewish people as the source of God's initial formalized contact with the human race. Not that He didn't present Himself in many ways to our ancestors who predated the Jewish people. I believe the purpose of the Old Testament writings was for establishing God's Truth in a form understandable to those living at that time and preparing for the arrival and work of the Messiah. Jesus, the Son of God, fulfilled many of the open ended rituals and teachings of the Old Testament. Making them no longer valid or necessary to practice in this period of time. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #30 September 1, 2010 Quote Quote But with the New Testament contridicting the Old Testament why then does Jesus state when asked 'I did not come to change the laws of Mosses'? Seeing as Christians now use the Jesus stories of the New Testament to abandon the Laws of Mosses? The Laws of Mosses eh? Is that things like "Though shalt not covet thy neighbour's moss"; "Honour the sabbath and keep it mossy". I'm surprised they were able to come up with ten laws specifically related to moss... ;-) When all you see around you is moss...... DUUUUDE its time foryou to get out of the UK for a wee bit and take a trip to Empuria Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #31 September 1, 2010 Quote DUUUUDE its time foryou to get out of the UK for a wee bit and take a trip to Empuria Weekend after next ..... whoooppppeeee (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #32 September 1, 2010 Quote Quote DUUUUDE its time foryou to get out of the UK for a wee bit and take a trip to Empuria Weekend after next ..... whoooppppeeee See there you go. That is one of the reasons I travel to warm dry places to have fun.... I live in America's version of crappy English weather Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #33 September 1, 2010 Quote I, as a Christian, see the Old Testament writings and the Jewish people as the source of God's initial formalized contact with the human race. Not that He didn't present Himself in many ways to our ancestors who predated the Jewish people. I believe the purpose of the Old Testament writings was for establishing God's Truth in a form understandable to those living at that time and preparing for the arrival and work of the Messiah. Jesus, the Son of God, fulfilled many of the open ended rituals and teachings of the Old Testament. Making them no longer valid or necessary to practice in this period of time. But What If God Disappeared?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #34 September 1, 2010 Dude he's already invisible When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #35 September 2, 2010 its really very easy... ever hear of 'Good Cop/Bad Cop'? OT = Bad Cop.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #36 September 2, 2010 Quote I always wondered why it is called "Greek Mythology" but so many call something else "Christian Science". You would not believe how livid some people* become when you use the phrase "Christian Mythology" in discussion. Its like they don't know what the word Mythos actually means... *usually the same ones who ask what bugs have to do with the discussion when you try to explain it to them. Etymology is such fun____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pchapman 279 #37 September 2, 2010 So I'm still not seeing what is to be made of the really evil (by today's morality) & vengeful God in the Old Testament. You know, things like the Lord saying to Jesus that the man gathering firewood on the sabbath is to be stoned to death. Does anything in the New Testament explain these behaviours? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #38 September 2, 2010 Not as far as I can tell. Its interesting that some of the most vocal evanglists around here have avoided this thread like the proverbial plague. (Thanks to those Christians and Jew who have actually taken time to answer the question)When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #39 September 2, 2010 Quote Its interesting that some of the most vocal evanglists around here have avoided this thread like the proverbial plague. The last time I took the effort to give you a long elaborate reply, your answer was this: "...thanks for the long and well put together response. I see what you are saying but I think an argument can be made either way." This is a debate forum and you still never made that argument, which means either you don't have one or you just didn't wanna do the research....which is the problem. Nobody wants to do their own research...So excuse me if I don't feel imedialtely obliged to reply to your mockish tone. I don't respond to that very well...but don't worry about that...That's my problem, I have to deal with it. You just deal with yours, if you want. (far be it from me to tell you what to do.) You seem to come across as one who is knowledgable about Islam so you should already know that one of the points of the Old Testament was to establish that religion for which you so zealously defend. Regarding Haggar and Ishmael: Gen 21:13 I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring." Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. Gen 21:18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." Gen 16:11-12 The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers." Now obviously there is alot going on here especially when you throw Sara and Isaac into the mix, and the whole to "throw rocks or not to throw rocks, that is the question" thingy....and I want to give an explanation of all that, because though you seem to mock, I believe you are a thiest and really want to know, unlike many people here... but I want to be thorough, dilligent, and thoughtful. To do that requires prayer, biblical references, historical and circumstantial contexts, etomology and the use of all the other tools availble for understanding. To Collate an hour long expostion can take anywhere from 30-80 hours for those that have studied the Bible for 30 years and do this work full time. I haven't and I don't...yet. Now, as I was attempting to gather those references in my study for your convenience, I have learned something new about God, The Old Testament, and myself...I now have a responsibility to go off on this rabbit trail to deal with those personal issues...So excuse me as I go off into the wilderness to do just that...Do I have your blessing O Mighty Skyrad, defender of the great nation of Islam?When I get back, (whenever that may be) I will continue building my exposition, and though only parts of it may make it's way back here, I will personally send you a full copy whenever I feel it's complete...untill then Max's response should suffice. Also, My studies will probably include some extra Biblical sources such as the Quran so I can better understand Islam and how it relates to Judiasm/Christianity....are you willing to put forth the necessary effort in your study of the Old Testament?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #40 September 2, 2010 Regarding keeping the Commandments: If you lived next door to Jessica Alba, would you covet your neighbor's ass? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maadmax 0 #41 September 3, 2010 But What If God Disappeared? Then doing the right thing for the right reason would certainly change. Every one would have their own right reasons and all of the fruits of the spirit would also be corrupted. By the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place. Your wish shall be granted. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #42 September 3, 2010 QuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place. The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #43 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place. The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it? another easy one. Because the core message of Jesus doesn't give anything for the zealots to hang on to, its far more peaceful and accepting than Christian dogma as a whole, and therefore much harder to 'recruit' the young and passionate to, where as "God's wrath will rain down on the unbeliever and the righteous and the martyred will be rewarded with (not only) eternal life but get great seats to divine vengeance" is a much better carrot as a recruiting tool. and the genius of it is that its open ended... nearly 2000 years have passed with the zealots drooling for the end days, and now they can make books and movies about it to make money off it so they can live in sin and luxury while awaiting sell it to future generations of fanatics.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maadmax 0 #44 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it? Wrong again. Matt 24:1-51, Luke 21:7-36, Mark 13:1-37 & Daniel 9: 22-27, Daniel 12:11&12 (Reference Jesus made regarding writings of Daniel in Matt 24:15) I am curious of your background. You seem to know bits and pieces but never the complete story. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #45 September 3, 2010 >Then doing the right thing for the right reason would certainly change. Well, neither the "right thing" or the "right reason" would change, unless the "right reason" was avoiding divine punishment (i.e. "Mom's not home, we can do whatever we want.") But I don't think that most people think like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #46 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it? Wrong again. Matt 24:1-51, Luke 21:7-36, Mark 13:1-37 & Daniel 9: 22-27, Daniel 12:11&12 (Reference Jesus made regarding writings of Daniel in Matt 24:15) Disagree. There is NO evidence to support the Olivet discourse is even talking about a future occurrence let alone the one talked about in Revelations. The two simply can not be reconciled. They describe wildly different events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivet_discourse Quote I am curious of your background. Stay thirsty my friend.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #47 September 4, 2010 QuoteThe Bible or just John having a bad acid trip? Well if you were living back in the "primitave ages when people didn't know shit" and you saw saw a vision of the future, what would you think helicopters were? What would submarines be? How about Jet fighters? Battleships? Atomic Bombs? Meteorites? Flame throwers? Automatic weapons? Molotov coctails? ...or maybe...maybe it was just literal!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #48 September 4, 2010 Quote Quote I am curious of your background. Stay thirsty my friend. So you're a drunkard?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #49 September 4, 2010 Quote Quote Stay thirsty my friend. So you're a drunkard? No, he's the most interesting man in the world. And the world's most boring skydiver. Dos Equis can do that to you.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #50 September 4, 2010 Quote No, he's the most interesting man in the world. And the world's most boring skydiver. Sounds like some serious Christain potential to me! I just hope he doesn't have to go through what i did...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Coreece 190 #27 September 1, 2010 QuoteThis sparked a thought. Jesus is Gods son He sent to our world. Might He have sent other sons to different worlds? Well, you can say he did then right a book about it...wala, a new religion...it would be a cross between Mormonism and Scientology.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 September 1, 2010 QuoteThis sparked a thought. Jesus is Gods son He sent to our world. Might He have sent other sons to different worlds? Maybe even a daughter? If the catholic church is right and they are His spokesmen, then Jesus has a lot of brothers and sisters. The operative words are "might", "maybe" and "if." I don't think you can possibly draw an actual conclusion from that; only a speculative one.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #29 September 1, 2010 QuoteAs whenever anything from the Old Testament is mentioned we hear time and time again 'Oh, yea, well thats in the Old Testament' like it doesn't count. Yet the Ten comandments are in the Old Testament and they are still a cornerstone of Christian belief... Arn't they? So whys the deal? Is the Old Testament written off by the New Testament in which case why not detach it from the Bible and just call the New Testament the Bible. Or, is it still valid and therefore Christians are doing a pick and pick as they see fit? Ya can't have it both ways boys and girls... Can you? I, as a Christian, see the Old Testament writings and the Jewish people as the source of God's initial formalized contact with the human race. Not that He didn't present Himself in many ways to our ancestors who predated the Jewish people. I believe the purpose of the Old Testament writings was for establishing God's Truth in a form understandable to those living at that time and preparing for the arrival and work of the Messiah. Jesus, the Son of God, fulfilled many of the open ended rituals and teachings of the Old Testament. Making them no longer valid or necessary to practice in this period of time. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 September 1, 2010 Quote Quote But with the New Testament contridicting the Old Testament why then does Jesus state when asked 'I did not come to change the laws of Mosses'? Seeing as Christians now use the Jesus stories of the New Testament to abandon the Laws of Mosses? The Laws of Mosses eh? Is that things like "Though shalt not covet thy neighbour's moss"; "Honour the sabbath and keep it mossy". I'm surprised they were able to come up with ten laws specifically related to moss... ;-) When all you see around you is moss...... DUUUUDE its time foryou to get out of the UK for a wee bit and take a trip to Empuria Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #31 September 1, 2010 Quote DUUUUDE its time foryou to get out of the UK for a wee bit and take a trip to Empuria Weekend after next ..... whoooppppeeee (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 September 1, 2010 Quote Quote DUUUUDE its time foryou to get out of the UK for a wee bit and take a trip to Empuria Weekend after next ..... whoooppppeeee See there you go. That is one of the reasons I travel to warm dry places to have fun.... I live in America's version of crappy English weather Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 September 1, 2010 Quote I, as a Christian, see the Old Testament writings and the Jewish people as the source of God's initial formalized contact with the human race. Not that He didn't present Himself in many ways to our ancestors who predated the Jewish people. I believe the purpose of the Old Testament writings was for establishing God's Truth in a form understandable to those living at that time and preparing for the arrival and work of the Messiah. Jesus, the Son of God, fulfilled many of the open ended rituals and teachings of the Old Testament. Making them no longer valid or necessary to practice in this period of time. But What If God Disappeared?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #34 September 1, 2010 Dude he's already invisible When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #35 September 2, 2010 its really very easy... ever hear of 'Good Cop/Bad Cop'? OT = Bad Cop.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #36 September 2, 2010 Quote I always wondered why it is called "Greek Mythology" but so many call something else "Christian Science". You would not believe how livid some people* become when you use the phrase "Christian Mythology" in discussion. Its like they don't know what the word Mythos actually means... *usually the same ones who ask what bugs have to do with the discussion when you try to explain it to them. Etymology is such fun____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #37 September 2, 2010 So I'm still not seeing what is to be made of the really evil (by today's morality) & vengeful God in the Old Testament. You know, things like the Lord saying to Jesus that the man gathering firewood on the sabbath is to be stoned to death. Does anything in the New Testament explain these behaviours? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #38 September 2, 2010 Not as far as I can tell. Its interesting that some of the most vocal evanglists around here have avoided this thread like the proverbial plague. (Thanks to those Christians and Jew who have actually taken time to answer the question)When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #39 September 2, 2010 Quote Its interesting that some of the most vocal evanglists around here have avoided this thread like the proverbial plague. The last time I took the effort to give you a long elaborate reply, your answer was this: "...thanks for the long and well put together response. I see what you are saying but I think an argument can be made either way." This is a debate forum and you still never made that argument, which means either you don't have one or you just didn't wanna do the research....which is the problem. Nobody wants to do their own research...So excuse me if I don't feel imedialtely obliged to reply to your mockish tone. I don't respond to that very well...but don't worry about that...That's my problem, I have to deal with it. You just deal with yours, if you want. (far be it from me to tell you what to do.) You seem to come across as one who is knowledgable about Islam so you should already know that one of the points of the Old Testament was to establish that religion for which you so zealously defend. Regarding Haggar and Ishmael: Gen 21:13 I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring." Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. Gen 21:18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." Gen 16:11-12 The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers." Now obviously there is alot going on here especially when you throw Sara and Isaac into the mix, and the whole to "throw rocks or not to throw rocks, that is the question" thingy....and I want to give an explanation of all that, because though you seem to mock, I believe you are a thiest and really want to know, unlike many people here... but I want to be thorough, dilligent, and thoughtful. To do that requires prayer, biblical references, historical and circumstantial contexts, etomology and the use of all the other tools availble for understanding. To Collate an hour long expostion can take anywhere from 30-80 hours for those that have studied the Bible for 30 years and do this work full time. I haven't and I don't...yet. Now, as I was attempting to gather those references in my study for your convenience, I have learned something new about God, The Old Testament, and myself...I now have a responsibility to go off on this rabbit trail to deal with those personal issues...So excuse me as I go off into the wilderness to do just that...Do I have your blessing O Mighty Skyrad, defender of the great nation of Islam?When I get back, (whenever that may be) I will continue building my exposition, and though only parts of it may make it's way back here, I will personally send you a full copy whenever I feel it's complete...untill then Max's response should suffice. Also, My studies will probably include some extra Biblical sources such as the Quran so I can better understand Islam and how it relates to Judiasm/Christianity....are you willing to put forth the necessary effort in your study of the Old Testament?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #40 September 2, 2010 Regarding keeping the Commandments: If you lived next door to Jessica Alba, would you covet your neighbor's ass? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #41 September 3, 2010 But What If God Disappeared? Then doing the right thing for the right reason would certainly change. Every one would have their own right reasons and all of the fruits of the spirit would also be corrupted. By the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place. Your wish shall be granted. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #42 September 3, 2010 QuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place. The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #43 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place. The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it? another easy one. Because the core message of Jesus doesn't give anything for the zealots to hang on to, its far more peaceful and accepting than Christian dogma as a whole, and therefore much harder to 'recruit' the young and passionate to, where as "God's wrath will rain down on the unbeliever and the righteous and the martyred will be rewarded with (not only) eternal life but get great seats to divine vengeance" is a much better carrot as a recruiting tool. and the genius of it is that its open ended... nearly 2000 years have passed with the zealots drooling for the end days, and now they can make books and movies about it to make money off it so they can live in sin and luxury while awaiting sell it to future generations of fanatics.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #44 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it? Wrong again. Matt 24:1-51, Luke 21:7-36, Mark 13:1-37 & Daniel 9: 22-27, Daniel 12:11&12 (Reference Jesus made regarding writings of Daniel in Matt 24:15) I am curious of your background. You seem to know bits and pieces but never the complete story. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #45 September 3, 2010 >Then doing the right thing for the right reason would certainly change. Well, neither the "right thing" or the "right reason" would change, unless the "right reason" was avoiding divine punishment (i.e. "Mom's not home, we can do whatever we want.") But I don't think that most people think like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #46 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it? Wrong again. Matt 24:1-51, Luke 21:7-36, Mark 13:1-37 & Daniel 9: 22-27, Daniel 12:11&12 (Reference Jesus made regarding writings of Daniel in Matt 24:15) Disagree. There is NO evidence to support the Olivet discourse is even talking about a future occurrence let alone the one talked about in Revelations. The two simply can not be reconciled. They describe wildly different events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivet_discourse Quote I am curious of your background. Stay thirsty my friend.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #47 September 4, 2010 QuoteThe Bible or just John having a bad acid trip? Well if you were living back in the "primitave ages when people didn't know shit" and you saw saw a vision of the future, what would you think helicopters were? What would submarines be? How about Jet fighters? Battleships? Atomic Bombs? Meteorites? Flame throwers? Automatic weapons? Molotov coctails? ...or maybe...maybe it was just literal!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #48 September 4, 2010 Quote Quote I am curious of your background. Stay thirsty my friend. So you're a drunkard?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #49 September 4, 2010 Quote Quote Stay thirsty my friend. So you're a drunkard? No, he's the most interesting man in the world. And the world's most boring skydiver. Dos Equis can do that to you.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #50 September 4, 2010 Quote No, he's the most interesting man in the world. And the world's most boring skydiver. Sounds like some serious Christain potential to me! I just hope he doesn't have to go through what i did...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 3,111 #45 September 3, 2010 >Then doing the right thing for the right reason would certainly change. Well, neither the "right thing" or the "right reason" would change, unless the "right reason" was avoiding divine punishment (i.e. "Mom's not home, we can do whatever we want.") But I don't think that most people think like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #46 September 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteBy the way the Bible does foretell of a 7 year period when this very scenario takes place The Bible or just John (if it was indeed the same John) having a bad acid trip? That's the thing I've never understood about Revelations. Jesus never said it. Why is that even part of it? Wrong again. Matt 24:1-51, Luke 21:7-36, Mark 13:1-37 & Daniel 9: 22-27, Daniel 12:11&12 (Reference Jesus made regarding writings of Daniel in Matt 24:15) Disagree. There is NO evidence to support the Olivet discourse is even talking about a future occurrence let alone the one talked about in Revelations. The two simply can not be reconciled. They describe wildly different events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivet_discourse Quote I am curious of your background. Stay thirsty my friend.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #47 September 4, 2010 QuoteThe Bible or just John having a bad acid trip? Well if you were living back in the "primitave ages when people didn't know shit" and you saw saw a vision of the future, what would you think helicopters were? What would submarines be? How about Jet fighters? Battleships? Atomic Bombs? Meteorites? Flame throwers? Automatic weapons? Molotov coctails? ...or maybe...maybe it was just literal!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #48 September 4, 2010 Quote Quote I am curious of your background. Stay thirsty my friend. So you're a drunkard?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #49 September 4, 2010 Quote Quote Stay thirsty my friend. So you're a drunkard? No, he's the most interesting man in the world. And the world's most boring skydiver. Dos Equis can do that to you.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #50 September 4, 2010 Quote No, he's the most interesting man in the world. And the world's most boring skydiver. Sounds like some serious Christain potential to me! I just hope he doesn't have to go through what i did...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
