Who Is The Man Behind The Ground Zero Mosque?

[mnealtx 0]

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Hmm, not sure.
I meet skydivers at bars and restaurants and coffee houses.
I would define none of them as drop zones.

You're supporting my point, here.

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But yet at a dropzone, much like a mosque OR a church, we have different rooms for different purposes.
Some we call bathrooms, some we call class rooms, some we call gear rooms. I would even bet there's a bit of prayer in any and possibly all of said rooms.

So, a dropzone is a church!! When are y'all applying for 501(c)(3) status?

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What was your point this time?

Indeed - what WAS your point?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[skipbelt 0]

moonwalking made popular by a white guy who used to be black is characterized by retreating but giving the appearrance of advancing , also an appropriate metaphor in debate , now get to getting !

[normiss 892]

The current mosque in place, the one with plans to expand has many rooms. Some are used for prayer.

Some muslims have met at locations OTHER than mosques.

The two facts are not connected.

[skipbelt 0]

there has been an argument by some that muslims meeting at a location to worship makes it a mosque , it is a weak argument at best. how about something more compelling ?

[mnealtx 0]

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The current mosque in place, the one with plans to expand has many rooms. Some are used for prayer.

And again...so?

You still haven't mentioned what kind of mosque only does the Friday sermon - anything on that, yet?

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Some muslims have met at locations OTHER than mosques.

Doesn't make THOSE places mosques, either, even if the call to prayer happens while they're there.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[normiss 892]

I never mentioned anything about and specific types of mosques, only the general, technical definition - you're the one with the Friday issues, find your own data.

Nor did I ever state meeting places for muslims were referred to as mosques.

I believe someone else was trying to imply that titty bars could be considered the same classification as a mosque.

It's getting quite challenging to keep up with all the threads actually.
Boorish as well.

[normiss 892]

Argument and definition would not be the same.
JFGI.

[skipbelt 0]

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Argument and definition would not be the same.
JFGI.

did you READ reply #404 , or ignore it ? my money's on ignore !

[normiss 892]

To wit:
Argument and definition would not be the same.

[skipbelt 0]

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To wit:
Argument and definition would not be the same.

i have a strong urge to agree with you . unless we are referring to semantics
in debate it's very important to define terms !

[normiss 892]

lol...I think we just might be agreeing.

My understanding of what a mosque is defined as is a place of worship of Islam. Rather broad actually.
Some are open spaces in public, some are quite elaborate religious and civic buildings, some are even small nooks or rooms in private homes.
Although I don't see a titty bar in any definitions I've found.

Argument on the other hand.....
some seem to not have even researched it and base their opinions solely on emotion, fear, distrust, hatred even.

[mnealtx 0]

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I never mentioned anything about and specific types of mosques, only the general, technical definition - you're the one with the Friday issues, find your own data.

Post 368 (your post, btw):

"A Muslim outreach group the Cordoba Initiative, has been using it for Friday prayers since late last year."

Post 377 (your post, again):

"The word "mosque" in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated for Islamic worship although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, masjids dedicated for daily five prayers and the larger masajid where the daily five prayers and the Friday congregation sermons are held"

Happy to help.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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if you define a mosque as any location then surely you would not prejudicially omit strip clubs . and don't call me surely !

[skipbelt 0]

hence , not a mosque , and you agree if i understand you correctly !

[normiss 892]

I provided you with the publicly available (technical) definition of the word mosque.
You can interpret and make the most of your daily prayer AND Friday congregation as you prefer.
I wouldn't want to offend your religion of choice.

[normiss 892]

Might I assume you are familiar with at least some of the physical aspects of muslim worship?
Bouncers at titty bars?

Me thinks the two would be mutually exclusive.

[skipbelt 0]

mutually exclusive ? as near as i can tell the muslim faith is riddled with contradictions !

[billvon 3,111]

>as near as i can tell the muslim faith is riddled with contradictions !

Yep, like most faiths. Self-consistency is not a big selling point of religions.

[skipbelt 0]

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Might I assume you are familiar with at least some of the physical aspects of muslim worship?
Bouncers at titty bars?
Me thinks the two would be mutually exclusive.

i am familiar as you say
my sticking point is infidel disposition
convert
subjugate
kill
not necessarily in that order
although choice 2 makes choice 1 more difficult
and choice 3 makes choice 1 and 2 impossible
the real problem i have is muslims are not very outspoken in this matter
their faith tells them to be truthful
but only to other muslims
to infidels all bets are off
they are encouraged to be devious and dishonest with infidels
especially if it furthers their disposition agenda.
i believe little to nothing an avowed muslim says for consumption of infidels !

[rushmc 23]

After the reports today now
even Juan Williams has big questions to what is behind this asshat building the mosque
As I stated before it will not get built there and that is as it should be

(I also stated they have the legal right to build it there. That in and of itself, does not make it right)

NO stories on line as of this posting

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[happythoughts 0]

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The imam of a mosque 12 blocks from the World Trade Center since 1983, he said, "I belong to this neighborhood. I am a devout Muslim, I pray five times a day...and I am also a proud American citizen. Let no one forget that. I vote in elections, I pay taxes, I pledge allegiance to the flag, and I am a Giants fan."

[rushmc 23]

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The imam of a mosque 12 blocks from the World Trade Center since 1983, he said, "I belong to this neighborhood. I am a devout Muslim, I pray five times a day...and I am also a proud American citizen. Let no one forget that. I vote in elections, I pay taxes, I pledge allegiance to the flag, and I am a Giants fan."

Cool
but his history and now exposed affiliations do not back that up

We will all watch this unfold
I do have a question however

Did you believe everything Bush said?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[happythoughts 0]

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The imam of a mosque 12 blocks from the World Trade Center since 1983, he said, "I belong to this neighborhood. I am a devout Muslim, I pray five times a day...and I am also a proud American citizen. Let no one forget that. I vote in elections, I pay taxes, I pledge allegiance to the flag, and I am a Giants fan."

Cool
but his history and now exposed affiliations do not back that up

We will all watch this unfold
I do have a question however

Did you believe everything Bush said?

Actually, I believe that this guy is a true politician.
He is a speech-maker and has been paid by past
administrations to promote US policy in the ME.

So, whatever he is saying, he probably believes.
You never use a partially-committed speaker, someone
would dig up a past speech on the internet and wreck his value.

The actual problem is that he does not speak for everyone. He can say whatever calming statements he wants. He is a politician.

While this mosque is a lightning rod for discussion,
it isn't the actual issue.
People got tired of reading about bombs in Times Square or plans for JFK, or Ft Hood, or fighters going to Somalia.
Those people all went to mosques and they aren't all in NY.