Who Is The Man Behind The Ground Zero Mosque?

[wmw999 2,587]

Just as soon as they poll the Iraqis on whether we should have gone to war there.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Just as soon as they poll the Iraqis on whether we should have gone to war there.

Wendy P.

What does one have to do with the other?

I could see your point if Bush or Obama went on TV and said that he bombed Iraq in the name of God and because we were in a Judeo-Christian jihad.

While we try to erect a Christian and/or Jewish church on every site that was bombed

Until that happens - I believe we are safe from the two events being the same.

The Iraqi leader brought on them what was brought by his genocide of his own people as only one example of his evilness.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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Actually - what they should do is poll the families and loved ones of the people that died on 9-11 due to the islamic terrorists and publish those results.

Why should their opinion matter any more than anyone else's?

And there have been several that have gone on record in support of it.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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On May 25, 2010, neighborhood authorities in a non-binding advisory vote backed part of the plans for Cordoba House to be built on the site . . . The vote by the Lower Manhattan Community Board 1 was 29-to-1, with 10 abstentions.

Not 40 people on a local zoning board Bill. A city wide open election.

Dom

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Just as soon as they poll the Iraqis on whether we should have gone to war there.

Never should have stepped foot back in that country. Bush should be thrown in jail for the lies that were told to get us there.

Dom

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Ok, Lets get them to build it in Saudi Arabia where they all belong

They can build it in NYC, they can build it in Manhattan. Just dont think they need to build at that site.

Before you ask me "where should they, how far away is far enough?" How about where pieces of planes didn't hit. How about where ash and debris didn't fall. How about not next to a building that was hit by pieces of the plane?

Dom

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And there have been several that have gone on record in support of it.

I've only seen two people like that. How many people lost loved ones that day?

Dom

[normiss 892]

Welcome to zoning boards. That's how this works.

[normiss 892]

What do aircraft have to do with this mosque?

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NYC paying?
For what?

Ah, thank you - corrected that.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[normiss 892]

My question stands then...paying for what?

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What do aircraft have to do with this mosque?

Do you really need it explained to you.

He also mentioned debris etc... in the same sentence. There is an actual 'debris zone' that was established at the time following 9-11.

Some people feel that area/zone deserves the same memorial respect or consideration as the actual blocks of ground zero.

For lack of better comparison... take the Jewish concentration camps. While Jews may not have been killed in all corners of the camp grounds, there have been perimeters set in place creating 'memorial zones' so to speak. The entire area is respected and not just the specific buildings/rooms known for what took place there.

This is a SIMPLE matter of respect... too many people seem to be too ignorant to understand that.

I have no stake in the matter and it does not affect me one way or another... but I can see how people would feel disrespected and I believe they have the right to feel that way.

*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.*
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

[dgskydive 0]

I forgive you for all your barrel roll, go-pro nonsense.

Dom

[billvon 3,111]

This is getting pretty funny!

"I want to see a vote of the local people to see if they want the mosque there!"
"Here's a vote by the Lower Manhattan Community Board. It was 29-to-1."

"Well, that's not the PEOPLE! I want to see a vote of the PEOPLE!"
"Here's a poll of people who live in Manhattan. 51% support the mosque."

"Well, that doesn't matter! I want to see a REAL VOTE of REAL PEOPLE!"
"Here's a previous poll that shows 60% support by Manhattanites."

"I don't want any POLLS! I want to see REAL VOTING OF REAL PEOPLE! All of them!"
"OK. Here's a poll of 17 people in Tulsa, Oklahoma. They're all opposed to it."
"Finally! Real solid, statistically valid data from REAL LOCAL PEOPLE!"

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And there have been several that have gone on record in support of it.

I've only seen two people like that. How many people lost loved ones that day?

There were MANy victims that day.

Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:

Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos.

Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid

[billvon 3,111]

>There is an actual 'debris zone' that was established at the time
>following 9-11. Some people feel that area/zone deserves the same
>memorial respect or consideration as the actual blocks of ground zero.

OK. So when will you start your campaign to move the other mosque, the churches, the topless clubs and the seedy bars out of the memorial?

>This is a SIMPLE matter of respect... too many people seem to be too
>ignorant to understand that.

It's even simpler than that. It's respect for the US Constitution. You have it or you don't.

> While Jews may not have been killed in all corners of the camp grounds,
>there have been perimeters set in place creating 'memorial zones' so to
>speak.

OK. I'll look forward to your plans to create those memorial zones, and how you'll move all those businesses out.

[turtlespeed 226]

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This is getting pretty funny!

"I want to see a vote of the local people to see if they want the mosque there!"
"Here's a vote by the Lower Manhattan Community Board. It was 29-to-1."

Community boards do not represent the poulace.

"Well, that's not the PEOPLE! I want to see a vote of the PEOPLE!"
"Here's a poll of people who live in Manhattan. 51% support the mosque."

That poll was not from the people of just manhattan - and the sample size was not much more than half of what it shuld have been.

"Well, that doesn't matter! I want to see a REAL VOTE of REAL PEOPLE!"
"Here's a previous poll that shows 60% support by Manhattanites."

That poll was in regards to whether they have the constitutional right to build, not if they support the idea of the mosque being there.

"I don't want any POLLS! I want to see REAL VOTING OF REAL PEOPLE! All of them!"
"OK. Here's a poll of 17 people in Tulsa, Oklahoma. They're all opposed to it."
"Finally! Real solid, statistically valid data from REAL LOCAL PEOPLE!"

I haven't seen that poll - could you source this please?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,111]

>Not 40 people on a local zoning board Bill. A city wide open election.

I notice you didn't ask for a local election. Pretty smart; I have a feeling you know what the results would be.

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And there have been several that have gone on record in support of it.

I've only seen two people like that. How many people lost loved ones that day?

There were MANy victims that day.

Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:

Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations.

Well it looks like you missed a few - 19 I think . . . of course they were the perpetrators . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[dgskydive 0]

Bill, you know Damn well what people mean by a vote. Your the one that keeps talking about polls and the "support" for the Mosque. When in actuality, they are supporting religious freedom and oppose the location.

A local zoning board does not speak for "the people" In that way and you know that.

Dom

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And there have been several that have gone on record in support of it.

I've only seen two people like that. How many people lost loved ones that day?

There were MANy victims that day.

Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:

Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations.

Well it looks like you missed a few - 19 I think . . . of course they were the perpetrators . . .

I know you are good with lumping all of those innocents in with your 19....

The victims families of THOSE people listed have just as much right as anyone else who lost someone that day. Ain't our constitution a bitch

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"I don't want any POLLS! I want to see REAL VOTING OF REAL PEOPLE! All of them!"
"OK. Here's a poll of 17 people in Tulsa, Oklahoma NYC residents. They're all 63% opposed to building it at Ground Zero."
"Finally! Real solid, statistically valid data from REAL LOCAL PEOPLE!"

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Fixed that for you.

Nice little attempt at misdirection with a stealth dig at people in 'flyover country' as a bonus, though.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,111]

>Bill, you know Damn well what people mean by a vote.

No, actually I'm not sure what you're talking about there. Vote on what measure? You have already agreed that they have every right to build the mosque. So what are people voting on?

Now, you may want a POLL, which determines public opinion, and is not legally binding. They've been done. Conclusion: Manhattanites want the Mosque, people outside don't.

>A local zoning board does not speak for "the people" In that way and you
>know that.

Yes, it does. It represents the people of an area in determining what can built where. (And BTW if you're referring to the 29 to 1 vote that's not even a zoning board; it's a community advisory board.)

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>if you say it's not a mosque it's a " community " center with a mosque in
>it that's TERRIBLY dishonest
It is a community center with a mosque in it. You may not like that fact, but that doesn't change what it is.
>if you say it's not ground zero . . .
It's not. It's two and a half blocks away. You can't even see it from the WTC site.
>a landing gear assembly hit the building at the proposed site
And ash from Mt. St. Helens landed in Los Angeles. Doesn't mean Los Angeles is in Washington.

all analogies have shortcomings , that one is paraplegic .
ground zero is any real property damaged by the terrorist attack , remember the practitioners of the religion of peace ? those mosque builders. this is why we can't have an honest debate . libs won't even concede BLATENT dishonesty when it's pointed out to them. unless you're a potstirrer , in that case touche !

[billvon 3,111]

>ground zero is any real property damaged by the terrorist attack . . .

Which then includes a topless bar. That was repaired. Why is a topless bar OK in a memorial but a mosque isn't? Which one shows more respect to the concept of a memorial?