Amazon 7 #301 September 7, 2010 Quote Quote Define "local." Manhattan How about the 5 boroughs together. Quote Sounds like you disagree with at least one local poll. Actually the polls say what I believe. They have the right to build. Just think they should build it somewhere else. Ok, Lets get them to build it in Saudi Arabia where they all belong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #302 September 7, 2010 Quote >You know this because you live and work in Manhattan and hear >what people are saying everyday? No, although I was back there two weekends ago, and the people I talked to there seemed to mirror this poll. >Saying that they have religious freedom and can build the Mosque is not >the same a "supporting" the Mosque. Agreed. And most Manhattanites favor construction of the Mosque. 892 Adults from around New York City . . . Go figure. How did they aquire their numbers? Subscription information? From one of the most biased news papers in the world?Yeah - THAT is trustable.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #303 September 7, 2010 >It would be interesting to see what would happen if it was put to a vote. A >simple "yes" or "no" to the location. It was. ============= On May 25, 2010, neighborhood authorities in a non-binding advisory vote backed part of the plans for Cordoba House to be built on the site . . . The vote by the Lower Manhattan Community Board 1 was 29-to-1, with 10 abstentions. ============= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #304 September 7, 2010 Quote>It would be interesting to see what would happen if it was put to a vote. A >simple "yes" or "no" to the location. It was. ============= On May 25, 2010, neighborhood authorities in a non-binding advisory vote backed part of the plans for Cordoba House to be built on the site . . . The vote by the Lower Manhattan Community Board 1 was 29-to-1, with 10 abstentions. ============= Popular vote - not political vote. We went over this before.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #305 September 7, 2010 QuoteManhattanites support it. Again...Your poll shows that they support the fact that they have religious freedom. Not that they support building it in that spot.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #306 September 7, 2010 >892 Adults from around New York City . . . Go figure. Guys (not just you, Turtle) pull out a map of New York. Note what makes up New York City. Now note which part of that is Manhattan. Also note where Buffalo, NY is. All three of those things (Manhattan, New York City, New York State) are not the same, but people here keep confusing them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #307 September 7, 2010 QuoteSo you believe that the siting of a community center with a Mosque should be put to a vote. Given that it's NYC paying for the various polls and not me, I'd say your statement is, as usual, politically motivated and, as usual, dead wrong. (I'm guessing that NYC is paying for the polls, anyway - pretty sure that Rasmussen, Quinnaipac, etc aren't doing them for free) QuoteI guess in the Bible Belt and Texas back where my family came from in the 1960's that segregationists wishes should have been honored too. Someday you'll quit projecting YOUR prejudices onto other people. Until then, fixed it for you. QuoteAn attack on the constitional rights of others is wrong.... dead wrong... then... and now. Seeing as how the NYC residents are saying that they have the right to build the mosque, your batting average is still at 1.000... 100% dead wrong.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #308 September 7, 2010 >Again...Your poll shows that they support the fact that they have >religious freedom. Not that they support building it in that spot. 51% of Manhattanites support building it IN THAT SPOT. 67% of New Yorkers think they have the right to build it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #309 September 7, 2010 Quote>892 Adults from around New York City . . . Go figure. Guys (not just you, Turtle) pull out a map of New York. Note what makes up New York City. Now note which part of that is Manhattan. Also note where Buffalo, NY is. All three of those things (Manhattan, New York City, New York State) are not the same, but people here keep confusing them. And some people keep throwing out NY state and Buffalo, NY as smokescreens.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #310 September 7, 2010 Quote892 people in Manhattan is not an accurate poll. Not even close Actually, for a general opinion poll, its a decent sample size for Manhattan.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #311 September 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteSo you believe that the siting of a community center with a Mosque should be put to a vote. Given that it's NYC paying and not me, I'd say your statement is, as usual, politically motivated and, as usual, dead wrong. QuoteI guess in the Bible Belt and Texas back where my family came from in the 1960's that segregationists wishes should have been honored too. Someday you'll quit projecting YOUR prejudices onto other people. Until then, fixed it for you. QuoteAn attack on the constitional rights of others is wrong.... dead wrong... then... and now. Seeing as how the NYC residents are saying that they have the right to build the mosque, your batting average is still at 1.000... 100% dead wrong. Sorry if it bothers you good ole boys.. but I saw it up close.... and this is just a modern manifestation of the same kind of crap that passed for being conservative then too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #312 September 7, 2010 QuoteGuys (not just you, Turtle) pull out a map of New York. Note what makes up New York City. Now note which part of that is Manhattan. Also note where Buffalo, NY is. All three of those things (Manhattan, New York City, New York State) are not the same, but people here keep confusing them. Even the maps are confusing as to what is and what isnt NYC. The 5 boroughs make up NYC. Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island. Most of the time if you pull up a map of NYC, it really doesn't show Staten Island and a lot of times not even Queens. They tend to show the Island of Manhattan only.Brooklyn has the biggest population of those 5 boroughs. Manhattan has the most money.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #313 September 7, 2010 Quote Quote 892 people in Manhattan is not an accurate poll. Not even close Actually, for a general opinion poll, its a decent sample size for Manhattan. 8.4 million people and 892 is a good sample? ha haha hahahaha tell another one.The poll is from all over the city . . . 8.4 million . . . not just manhattan.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #314 September 7, 2010 Quote Quote Guys (not just you, Turtle) pull out a map of New York. Note what makes up New York City. Now note which part of that is Manhattan. Also note where Buffalo, NY is. All three of those things (Manhattan, New York City, New York State) are not the same, but people here keep confusing them. Even the maps are confusing as to what is and what isnt NYC. The 5 boroughs make up NYC. Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island. Most of the time if you pull up a map of NYC, it really doesn't show Staten Island and a lot of times not even Queens. They tend to show the Island of Manhattan only.Brooklyn has the biggest population of those 5 boroughs. Manhattan has the most money. This one is pretty clear.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #315 September 7, 2010 NYC paying? For what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #316 September 7, 2010 QuoteNYC paying? For what? A vote.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #317 September 7, 2010 GOOD MAP!!!! I'm book marking that one. Now find one of JUST the borough of ManhattanDom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #318 September 7, 2010 You're showing your lack of understanding of statistics, Clint. Here's a 101 version: as your population grows larger, you do not necessary need a larger sample size to keep the same confidence levels. In this case, the confidence interval (3.2 points) is the same regardless if the populations are for Manhattan (1.6mil) or NYC (8mil) at a 95% confidence level. And to me, these confidence levels are appropriate for a general opinion poll.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #319 September 7, 2010 umm...ok. It's clearly not in, any manner or fashion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #320 September 7, 2010 Quote GOOD MAP!!!! I'm book marking that one. Now find one of JUST the borough of Manhattan Just blank out all the other colors except blue.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #321 September 7, 2010 QuoteYou're showing your lack of understanding of statistics, Clint. DG as well. Sample size is not a difficult topic in statistics. You both would do well to look into it further. There could be trouble with the 900 that were selected, or the questions asked. But nothing is wrong with the value of 900. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #322 September 7, 2010 Quote 32. Some people say that because of the opposition of Ground Zero relatives, the Muslim group should voluntarily build the mosque somewhere else. Do you agree or disagree? nothing leading about this question! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #323 September 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteYou're showing your lack of understanding of statistics, Clint. DG as well. Sample size is not a difficult topic in statistics. You both would do well to look into it further. There could be trouble with the 900 that were selected, or the questions asked. But nothing is wrong with the value of 900. 892 in a poulation of 8.4 million brings the confidence interval to 3.281, which is based on a normal demographic. Everyone knows that NYC is not normal. Hence the CI should be closer to 1.5 or 2 at the most.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #324 September 7, 2010 Quoteumm...ok. It's clearly not in, any manner or fashion. It was a hypothetical "paying for"Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #325 September 7, 2010 Actually - what they should do is poll the families and loved ones of the people that died on 9-11 due to the islamic terrorists and publish those results.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
